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The Road Ahead?
kirnmalidus
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I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
As in, if it doesn't come soon – and make clear that they are aware of issues and taking action – many people will be gone before it does (please note I'm not saying I'm quitting, just that many people will if these aren't at least addressed in the near future).
The post needs to address (my opinions, feel free to add other points in the comments):
- Magicka vs. Stamina build balancing (making Stamina builds viable) so we aren't all running around in light armor wielding staves.
- PvP lag and issues with grouping causing crashes in PvP.
- Future plans for handling game-breaking exploits in PvP (at least declaring they will be more communicative about issues like the Caltrops exploit in the future).
- Development philosophy on nerf vs. buff and what exactly their vision is for class balance in this game.
- Plans for making Veteran content viable for more players/classes. At a minimum something needs to be done about phasing so people can get help from friends that have already completed supposedly "group friendly" quests.
- Plans for improvement to the internal QA process for patches and minor updates. Recent updates have added more new bugs than they have fixed, something is broken with QA. Either QA isn't finding issues like it should, or QA's reports are being ignored and updates are pushed with known issues. From what I've heard it is the latter, which is in theory far easier to fix if someone is willing to make hard decisions (also known as being a leader).
As in, if it doesn't come soon – and make clear that they are aware of issues and taking action – many people will be gone before it does (please note I'm not saying I'm quitting, just that many people will if these aren't at least addressed in the near future).
The post needs to address (my opinions, feel free to add other points in the comments):
- Magicka vs. Stamina build balancing (making Stamina builds viable) so we aren't all running around in light armor wielding staves.
- PvP lag and issues with grouping causing crashes in PvP.
- Future plans for handling game-breaking exploits in PvP (at least declaring they will be more communicative about issues like the Caltrops exploit in the future).
- Development philosophy on nerf vs. buff and what exactly their vision is for class balance in this game.
- Plans for making Veteran content viable for more players/classes. At a minimum something needs to be done about phasing so people can get help from friends that have already completed supposedly "group friendly" quests.
- Plans for improvement to the internal QA process for patches and minor updates. Recent updates have added more new bugs than they have fixed, something is broken with QA. Either QA isn't finding issues like it should, or QA's reports are being ignored and updates are pushed with known issues. From what I've heard it is the latter, which is in theory far easier to fix if someone is willing to make hard decisions (also known as being a leader).
Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO
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Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.2 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk1 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
That's pretty vague. Are there specific bugs you are concerned about?
Login issues, memory leaks, quest-progression issues, and graphics/display problems all exist, but most of those issues aren't causing people to QQ like the class balance is right now (except maybe the login issue, yes).Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Yep, see point one in my list in OP. There is a reason it came first, as I believe it is currently the biggest issue in the game that if left unresolved for too long will cause ZOS to hemorrhage subs at an unsustainable rate.Edited by kirnmalidus on June 3, 2014 5:27PMLife of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭kirnmalidus wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Yep, see point one in my list in OP. There is a reason it came first, as I believe it is currently the biggest issue in the game that if left unresolved for too long will cause ZOS to hemorrhage subs at an unsustainable rate.
Well they lost 12k subs over a 24 hour period if my friend (a good source) is right, over these nerfs. the game is hemmoraging all its tanks.1 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »kirnmalidus wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Yep, see point one in my list in OP. There is a reason it came first, as I believe it is currently the biggest issue in the game that if left unresolved for too long will cause ZOS to hemorrhage subs at an unsustainable rate.
Well they lost 12k subs over a 24 hour period if my friend (a good source) is right, over these nerfs. the game is hemmoraging all its tanks.
Gah. That's terrible. I vote "nerf" be added to the naughty words list for the forums.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO1 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Are you serious? I have a sword n board dk n even with the fix to the ults I dump out 400 plus dps and have tremendous sustainability. Learn your class n skills mate.0 -
Ragnar_Lodbrok✭✭✭✭✭
✭wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Are you serious? I have a sword n board dk n even with the fix to the ults I dump out 400 plus dps and have tremendous sustainability. Learn your class n skills mate.
You are straight lying.1 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »kirnmalidus wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Yep, see point one in my list in OP. There is a reason it came first, as I believe it is currently the biggest issue in the game that if left unresolved for too long will cause ZOS to hemorrhage subs at an unsustainable rate.
Well they lost 12k subs over a 24 hour period if my friend (a good source) is right, over these nerfs. the game is hemmoraging all its tanks.
So what u are saying is 12k people quit cause their op class got nerfed. We just lost 12 k children bummer. Still hands down most OP class and still 12 man dk team best team for trials.2 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »wllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Here it is: ZOS will continue to nerf tanking and DK's untill they all leave or reroll Sorcs.
We'll that was selfish and uncalled for as DKs are still OP.
I understand your desire for a road map but I would hope it would say their main goal is to get the game working properly. So many bugs and they introduce more with every patch
Where are they OP? Its light armor and staffs, not dk skills. ZOS has *** over every non light staff dk
Are you serious? I have a sword n board dk n even with the fix to the ults I dump out 400 plus dps and have tremendous sustainability. Learn your class n skills mate.
You are straight lying.
He is not you get that from the dots alone...
Do you even play a DK?0 -
wllstrt75b14_ESO✭✭✭What level is your DK? If your in vet level and can't hit 400 dps with all of the dots and flame las on a sword n board char your doing it wrong.
It's so easy to play run in shield up drop talons use burning embers(that really low cost fire slash) cast fire breath skill flame lash down when needed when ur out of magika hold shield and spam that fire slash so easy.Edited by wllstrt75b14_ESO on June 3, 2014 5:50PM0 -
Dayv✭✭✭✭I'm more interested in hearing about upcoming patches unless fixes are going to be a big part of the road ahead, but that would highilght failures so I can't see that being in there.0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭I'm more interested in hearing about upcoming patches unless fixes are going to be a big part of the road ahead, but that would highilght failures so I can't see that being in there.
Unfortunately at this point fixes need to be a bigger part of the road ahead than content expansions.
Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
Fairydragon3✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »
shiit, i still got to get though my vet areas before i even think about more expansions. WHY IS EVERYONE SO FAST!!!1 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭
You don't speak for me.kirnmalidus wrote: »I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
Ah yes, the convenient but invisible friend.Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »Well they lost 12k subs over a 24 hour period if my friend (a good source) is right, over these nerfs. the game is hemmoraging all its tanks.
QFTwllstrt75b14_ESO wrote: »We just lost 12 k children bummer.
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
- Kirsten Geary2 -
Ahza✭✭Sorry newb here- can some one explain why u guys r saying dk are or was op'd? Im just curious0
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seaef✭✭✭✭✭Sorry newb here- can some one explain why u guys r saying dk are or was op'd? Im just curious
It's code for, "I suck at the game and I want everyone to think it's the game's fault."
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
- Kirsten Geary2 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭
You don't speak for me.kirnmalidus wrote: »I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
OK, then what do you have to say? Other than facile troll comments, I mean.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Sorry newb here- can some one explain why u guys r saying dk are or was op'd? Im just curious
DKs with certain builds are able to complete content players should not be able to solo, and they are generally able to play through VR content with far more ease than certain other classes.
In general the problem isn't as much with DK skills as it is with Light Armor and Staff skills.
That said, some DK skills were (and still are) statistically vastly superior to the equivalent in any other class skill tree (such as the Standard ultimate that was "nerfed" yesterday – I use quotes because it is still in most cases statistically superior to any other ultimate in the game).
If you want to see what this means for yourself in game, check out the trials leaderboards (last tab in your Journal).Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »
You don't speak for me.kirnmalidus wrote: »I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
OK, then what do you have to say? Other than facile troll comments, I mean.
I already said what I had to say, genius. Speak for yourself. Adding hyperbole to your statement doesn't make it any more valid.
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
- Kirsten Geary0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »
You don't speak for me.kirnmalidus wrote: »I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
OK, then what do you have to say? Other than facile troll comments, I mean.
I already said what I had to say, genius. Speak for yourself. Adding hyperbole to your statement doesn't make it any more valid.
It was a figure of speech, and yes it was a bit hyperbolic but the way you've latched onto and ignored the rest of the post just shows you aren't even interested in a constructive discussion.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »kirnmalidus wrote: »
You don't speak for me.kirnmalidus wrote: »I think I speak for everyone here when I say we need an updated "The Road Ahead" post from development leadership, and we need it fast.
OK, then what do you have to say? Other than facile troll comments, I mean.
I already said what I had to say, genius. Speak for yourself. Adding hyperbole to your statement doesn't make it any more valid.
It was a figure of speech, and yes it was a bit hyperbolic but the way you've latched onto and ignored the rest of the post just shows you aren't even interested in a constructive discussion.
When you provide something constructive I'll be sure to latch onto it.
"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
- Kirsten Geary0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭
When you provide something constructive I'll be sure to latch onto it.
If you don't think my original post was constructive, than contribute something that is, as I requested in the original post. So far that is not what you've done. Whether I was constructive or not, at least I tried to be so rather than simply being a worthless destructive troll.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Haven't read it all yet, but we got it: http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/news/post/2014/06/04/the-road-ahead--june-4th?ref=rssLife of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭Now that I've read, here is a summary of addressed issues vs. my original post:
- Magicka vs. Stamina build balancing (making Stamina builds viable) so we aren't all running around in light armor wielding staves. NOT ADDRESSED
- PvP lag and issues with grouping causing crashes in PvP. NOT ADDRESSED
- Future plans for handling game-breaking exploits in PvP (at least declaring they will be more communicative about issues like the Caltrops exploit in the future). NOT ADDRESSED
- Development philosophy on nerf vs. buff and what exactly their vision is for class balance in this game. ADDRESSED
- Plans for making Veteran content viable for more players/classes. At a minimum something needs to be done about phasing so people can get help from friends that have already completed supposedly "group friendly" quests. SORT OF ADDRESSED
- Plans for improvement to the internal QA process for patches and minor updates. Recent updates have added more new bugs than they have fixed, something is broken with QA. Either QA isn't finding issues like it should, or QA's reports are being ignored and updates are pushed with known issues. From what I've heard it is the latter, which is in theory far easier to fix if someone is willing to make hard decisions (also known as being a leader).NOT ADDRESSEDLife of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0 -
RingobloodtheOld✭✭✭kirnmalidus wrote: »- Plans for making Veteran content viable for more players/classes. At a minimum something needs to be done about phasing so people can get help from friends that have already completed supposedly "group friendly" quests.
I can say they have fixed this problem. My friend in my guild needed help here and i already completed the quest/area, but whether its a bug or not, i was able to help im through every stage of the quest and i could see him and he could see me and i could kill his enemies, ect. I give ZOS a thumbs up to this fix if its a fix and not a bug.
Server: NA/PC
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kirnmalidus✭✭✭✭RingobloodtheOld wrote: »kirnmalidus wrote: »- Plans for making Veteran content viable for more players/classes. At a minimum something needs to be done about phasing so people can get help from friends that have already completed supposedly "group friendly" quests.
I can say they have fixed this problem. My friend in my guild needed help here and i already completed the quest/area, but whether its a bug or not, i was able to help im through every stage of the quest and i could see him and he could see me and i could kill his enemies, ect. I give ZOS a thumbs up to this fix if its a fix and not a bug.
As of when? I tried to do the same with someone last night and the door to enter the fight wasn't even interactable for him.Life of a Nightblade (Screenshot Tumblr)
“Attention Zenimax: Stamina builds don't hold up to magicka builds, and this is causing most of your class imbalance. It makes melee weapons and bows weaker than staves and class abilities. It makes medium and heavy armor less desirable than light armor. Fix this imbalance, and you'll address most of your balance issues.”
- @ruze84b14_ESO0
