Path of Darkness (sad face)

rfpalmerb16_ESO

Jaxom wrote: »

Very True. Hadn't thought of that. Yeah, now that I think about it, I don't know what they can do to make Path of Darkness worthwhile.

have it also do an aoe knockback when cast and slow enemies 40%

DireKit

Path of Darkness (duck face)

OkieDokie

Evergreen wrote: »

It is the PTS server. They have Sorcerers and Dragon Knights who test and give awesome theorycraft/semantics about Nightblades so that the devs think they did something useful for the NB. Take shades for example which was nerfed not being able to distract an enemy and given a very minor damage increase as compensation. This was advice from a Sorc on the PTS server which the devs highly respect unfortunately. Then there are the apologists. ESO class balancing is making me even appreciate SWTOR now.

Is this for real?

rfpalmerb16_ESO

OkieDokie wrote: »

Evergreen wrote: »

It is the PTS server. They have Sorcerers and Dragon Knights who test and give awesome theorycraft/semantics about Nightblades so that the devs think they did something useful for the NB. Take shades for example which was nerfed not being able to distract an enemy and given a very minor damage increase as compensation. This was advice from a Sorc on the PTS server which the devs highly respect unfortunately. Then there are the apologists. ESO class balancing is making me even appreciate SWTOR now.

Is this for real?

If it is, there should be firings. Not checking to ensure that your source has real knowledge on a subject, when you are basing a change off their opinion, is the most lazy, unprofessional and horribad behaviour you could have as a designer/developer.

I am hoping this is just a bunch of rhetoric BS.

Evergreen

OkieDokie wrote: »

Evergreen wrote: »

It is the PTS server. They have Sorcerers and Dragon Knights who test and give awesome theorycraft/semantics about Nightblades so that the devs think they did something useful for the NB. Take shades for example which was nerfed not being able to distract an enemy and given a very minor damage increase as compensation. This was advice from a Sorc on the PTS server which the devs highly respect unfortunately. Then there are the apologists. ESO class balancing is making me even appreciate SWTOR now.

Is this for real?

Yeah he mains a sorc and is a really nice guy and has made some great posts around the forums but clearly does not know much about Nightblades.

NordJitsu wrote: »

The Nightblade skills are fixed in 1.1, which is live on the PTS.

I've tested it. I built a nasty Nightblade.

Nothing really needs to be buffed or changed dramatically for them to be viable. Just get things working like they're supposed to and you'll notice a marked power increase.

NordJitsu wrote: »

@Evergreen‌

What does my main class have to do with bug testing?

I've also put in a ridiculous number of hours into this game in every class and feel comfortable with all of them, so I think I can give feedback in many areas.

We need Nightblades on the PTS server giving feedback about Nightblades, not a well intentioned sorc.

Also look at this video all the way back in beta where Dragon Knights were shown to be insanely overpowered with all the usual culprits (DK Destro build with Burning Talons, Green Dragon Blood, Standard of Might etc). Don't buy into Dragon Knights from beta who will say the class was nerfed back then (minor token nerfs that had no impact as we can obviously see now). Nightblades were actually severely nerfed in beta for some odd reason just before release which I have not been able to figure out the rationale for yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hJ9sUxB_Ss

I guess a bright side to all of this is that the PTS server and forums will be open to all subscribing members soon so hopefully there will be more rational feedback to the devs. Perhaps I am putting too much blame on the old beta and testing community though and not enough on Zenimax making the right choices. Lets just hope some meaningful feedback and resulting changes occur finally once the PTS server/forums opens up to us.

bean19

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Tried it had no use for it. I suspect few will use it.

I love it for mobility. . . with all my other mobility buffs, I don't snare melee. I just kill them or kite them about a bit after using Blood Craze and the first skill in Siphoning (blanking on the name) while in Path of Darkness. They seem to die really fast with 3 DoTs on them (which also heal me btw).

Obviously, YMMV.

If you mean the skill isn't as good as Dragon Knight Standard or Storm Atronach, well I agree, but those are ultimates and I can cast Path of Darkness all the time. Also, with a bow and Path of Darkness and all my classes other movement buffs, I can finish off Bolt Escape sorcs - especially since I also have Teleport Strike which has a nice little stun on it in addition to being an amazing movement skill.

Again, YMMV.

OkieDokie

Evergreen wrote: »

Yeah he mains a sorc and is a really nice guy and has made some great posts around the forums but clearly does not know much about Nightblades.

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I guess a bright side to all of this is that the PTS server and forums will be open to all subscribing members soon so hopefully there will be more rational feedback to the devs. Perhaps I am putting too much blame on the old beta and testing community though and not enough on Zenimax making the right choices. Lets just hope some meaningful feedback and resulting changes occur finally once the PTS server/forums opens up to us.

You know, now that you mentioned it, it makes sense why we cannot get decent buffs for NB.

And as far as I read on those posts, his tests are pvp only, which means, he has no clue how NB behave in pve and how it is compared to other classes. That 'nasty' build is not nasty at all.

I cannot really express how disappointed I am. It does not matter how many suggestions we give them here if people who have never played a NB on vr content are the ones giving feedback. I am, really, about to give up now.

nez

That one of those skills that will never be used constantly, cos, well it horrible

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

bean19 wrote: »

Also, with a bow and Path of Darkness and all my classes other movement buffs, I can finish off Bolt Escape sorcs - especially since I also have Teleport Strike which has a nice little stun on it in addition to being an amazing movement skill.

Again, YMMV.

..... go educate your fellow NBs , good job sir !

dafraorb16_ESO

OkieDokie wrote: »

Evergreen wrote: »

Yeah he mains a sorc and is a really nice guy and has made some great posts around the forums but clearly does not know much about Nightblades.

...

I guess a bright side to all of this is that the PTS server and forums will be open to all subscribing members soon so hopefully there will be more rational feedback to the devs. Perhaps I am putting too much blame on the old beta and testing community though and not enough on Zenimax making the right choices. Lets just hope some meaningful feedback and resulting changes occur finally once the PTS server/forums opens up to us.

You know, now that you mentioned it, it makes sense why we cannot get decent buffs for NB.

And as far as I read on those posts, his tests are pvp only, which means, he has no clue how NB behave in pve and how it is compared to other classes. That 'nasty' build is not nasty at all.

I cannot really express how disappointed I am. It does not matter how many suggestions we give them here if people who have never played a NB on vr content are the ones giving feedback. I am, really, about to give up now.

Yeah time to reroll Sorcerer or unsub IMHO

Worstluck

bean19 wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Tried it had no use for it. I suspect few will use it.

Also, with a bow and Path of Darkness and all my classes other movement buffs, I can finish off Bolt Escape sorcs - especially since I also have Teleport Strike which has a nice little stun on it in addition to being an amazing movement skill.

The skill is useful for this for sure. Hit Charging Maneuver, with sprint..people will think you are speed hacking.

I've always taken refreshing path, as I did use it in pve when tanking..does Twisting Path make it longer? Or just wider? Anyone know? Never used that morph.

Dayv

It sound like it's as I suspect. ZOS are having their ears bent by a few uber 1337 players who aren't very representative of the majority of subscribers.

rfpalmerb16_ESO

Dayv wrote: »

It sound like it's as I suspect. ZOS are having their ears bent by a few uber 1337 players who aren't very representative of the majority of subscribers.

It wont let me click on agree more than once... I think the post needs at least 10 clicks from me alone.

Yasha

For mobility, boundless storm is much better, plus it has armor/resist buffs and a slight dot effect.

I have tried to use PoD a lot, it is ok for a drain/warlock-type build, but its hard to justify putting on the skill bar- still a relatively weak and lackluster skill.

steveb16_ESO46

Yasha wrote: »

For mobility, boundless storm is much better, plus it has armor/resist buffs and a slight dot effect.

I have tried to use PoD a lot, it is ok for a drain/warlock-type build, but its hard to justify putting on the skill bar- still a relatively weak and lackluster skill.

Quite. all these things would be fine if we had access to more skills. But we don't. We effectively have the 5 we start the fight with we can count on and maybe 5 more if weapon swap actually works when you try it.

Aoifesan

Your tickle went from eh-heh to eh-heh-he...

You are not impressed. Please try again.

jambam817_ESO

I use it all the time, its nice to stack with Strife HoTs, Mutagen HoTs while heavy attacking with resto staff.... oh ya, i use sticks, no one likes me

Gilvoth

this skill is really just useless,
what needs to happen is the damage amount on daggers needs to be doubled and maybe even trippled.
as a duel wield dagger nightblade our damage output is worthless when fighting dragonights, sorcerers, veteran 5 mobbs, basicly everything we fight is not recieving very much damage from daggers.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO

To be honest, I think that if they would just add a snaring effect to enemies on the path (Maybe 50% would be overkill, but 30% surely wouldn't hurt) it would become a lot more viable. You'd have AoE CC, and it would be easier to keep enemies on the path for the full 10 seconds to get max damage.

Birfreben_Kinghelred

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

this skill is really just useless,
what needs to happen is the damage amount on daggers needs to be doubled and maybe even trippled.
as a duel wield dagger nightblade our damage output is worthless when fighting dragonights, sorcerers, veteran 5 mobbs, basicly everything we fight is not recieving very much damage from daggers.

every1 can use daggers man, buffing them will just make dual weilding dk's stronk.

Gilvoth

bothnutz wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

this skill is really just useless,
what needs to happen is the damage amount on daggers needs to be doubled and maybe even trippled.
as a duel wield dagger nightblade our damage output is worthless when fighting dragonights, sorcerers, veteran 5 mobbs, basicly everything we fight is not recieving very much damage from daggers.

every1 can use daggers man, buffing them will just make dual weilding dk's stronk.

then make a skill that we can grow in that only allows nightblades to do double or tripple damage of the daggers.

TheBull

It's great for casting through keep walls that's a bout it.. I used twisting path (dps morph)for an entire week in Cyrodiil. I got used to it, and used it frequently. It cost too much magicka, does too little dmg, and the path is too short.

Reduce magicka, increast dmg 50-75%, and increase the length of the path to 21 meters.

Until then there are much better ways of doing what Path does, except casting through walls...

Birfreben_Kinghelred

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

bothnutz wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

this skill is really just useless,
what needs to happen is the damage amount on daggers needs to be doubled and maybe even trippled.
as a duel wield dagger nightblade our damage output is worthless when fighting dragonights, sorcerers, veteran 5 mobbs, basicly everything we fight is not recieving very much damage from daggers.

every1 can use daggers man, buffing them will just make dual weilding dk's stronk.

then make a skill that we can grow in that only allows nightblades to do double or tripple damage of the daggers.

what about nightblades that don't dual wield/use daggers?

back to topic.

When I read about this ability pre release It reminded me of spectres dagger from dota 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIlRUxUFon0

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Spectre

Make it a nuke/projectile that follows a target and leaves a path for movespeed bonus. Then nb's could use it to chase, and deal a bit of damage at the same time.

Jaxom

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

Very True. Hadn't thought of that. Yeah, now that I think about it, I don't know what they can do to make Path of Darkness worthwhile.

really ....

I don't think my comment was facepalm worthy however, that picture is priceless. Being added to my list of ones to use.

On a side note, as someone mentioned above, if it added a snaring effect to enemies, I still don't think it would be as good as Crippling Grasp, which snares, roots for 1.5s and gives you a slight speed buff from range.

PBpsy

This skill competes with volcanic rune on my pve build.It usually loses.I would prefer a circular healing area an slightly higher evade while in it.

Shunravi

Imho, path should be the Nightblade version of dark talons. Maybe a % snare instead of a root, and no synergy to make up for the increased kiting ability. Path should be a frontline Nightblade's response to talons. Enimies should want to get away from it as much as they want to get out of talons.

Darkonflare15

meh

Kililin

GeeYouWhy wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

Tried it had no use for it. I suspect few will use it.

This rather sums up the whole game really.

i lol'd in RL, happens rarely
Post of the week

Fnoptik

Heal component of Refreshing Path cant crit, tested on PTS, dont have morph on live. Already submited /bug. Sad nightblade so sad