Profanity

alphawolph

Electus wrote: »

I block people who use any type of profanity.
The constant use of profanity to me is a sign of a lack of intelligence and education.

dannymcgr81b14_ESO is right, ZOS set that up because they have standards.

I have a genius iq and a couple degrees. I also use the f word at least once every sentence.

I find nobody in my fields care.

Sakiri

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.
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I am not here to ensure your kids dont see bad things. That's your job.

Sheesh, I hate these knee jerk brainless pronouncements.

You don't want hard core x-rated content to be broadcast on network tv? You want censorship. You don't want people yelling fire in a movie theatre? Censorship. I can't put a billboard showing a person getting their head blown off on a public roadway? Censorship. Society is full of censorship.

And anyway, ZOS is a private company, not a government. They can do what they want in their own chat system, and impose whatever terms of service they like, and throw you out if you don't abide by it. Just as a convenience store can have me removed from it if I stand in the middle and start screaming the F-bomb.

And there's plenty of kids who's parents have no clue or don't care. Those kids are garbage we as a society should just ignore and not take even the most basic steps to protect? Nice. There's also parent's who did view the game, and made the decsion to allow their kids to play based on the content (I would certainly let my 13 year old play) but weren't exposed to the zone chat excesses.
So... the kids are just SOL? Because you can't be bothered to control your language or not engage in detailed, graphic conversations in the public chat?

Not to mention the fact that I, paying for a game, shouldn't have to wade through that garbage just to ask a question. Their's private (guild and tells) methods of communication available to you. There's no reason you can't keep it clean in the public one.

You sound like the little old lady that kvetched at me on the corner because I dropped somethng, said "well, sh-" and their 10 year old grandkid was right there.

Not my fault you or your family cant teach the kid that in your opinion its not okay to say it or other words.

When I keep it out of /zone its because of ZOS' rules, not your kid or anyone elses kid.

Raising them and teaching them now not to be immature, pretentious, entitled brats is the parents' job, no one elses.

This "community raising" is why the state and schools think they know better how to raise your kid than you do, how better to educate them than you do, and hospitals have child services take your kid when you dont agree on how a condition should be treated.

I could go on about my opinion of todays crappy parenting and societys lack of personal accountability, but thats a different thread. Im not censoring myself in public because people like you demand it.

Orizuru

If you choose to use profanity you are choosing to allow others to judge you based upon your use of profanity. How individuals judge you for your use of profanity is beyond anyone's control.

I feel there is a time and place for when and where profanity is acceptable, and like personal ethics, very few people will ever agree on when and where it is acceptable. If you don't care how others perceive you, then it's not really an issue. If you do care how others perceive you though, then minding your tongue isn't a bad idea from time to time.

Crumpy

SOL? An Americanism?

alphawolph

Saerydoth wrote: »

Swearing like a drunken sailor in public chat is not a sign of maturity. It's a sign of immaturity. Maturity is knowing where and when the proper place for it is. In guild chat with you and a few friends? Fine. In public chat channels? Not fine. I drop f-bombs all the time in private or guild chat with my friends. I do not in public channels.

Now this one i agree with, I'm very immature. But i have a lot of fun.

GreySix

Even after over 20 years of military service, I find using profanity to be a general waste of words. I've seen men berate and dress down subordinates with deadly precision, never once uttering a profane word.

Kiash

Sakiri wrote: »

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Zaxq wrote: »

Who draws that line? What the pious folks are arguing for is censorship, a censorship that must fall within their view of how the world should be.
...
I am not here to ensure your kids dont see bad things. That's your job.

Sheesh, I hate these knee jerk brainless pronouncements.

You don't want hard core x-rated content to be broadcast on network tv? You want censorship. You don't want people yelling fire in a movie theatre? Censorship. I can't put a billboard showing a person getting their head blown off on a public roadway? Censorship. Society is full of censorship.

And anyway, ZOS is a private company, not a government. They can do what they want in their own chat system, and impose whatever terms of service they like, and throw you out if you don't abide by it. Just as a convenience store can have me removed from it if I stand in the middle and start screaming the F-bomb.

And there's plenty of kids who's parents have no clue or don't care. Those kids are garbage we as a society should just ignore and not take even the most basic steps to protect? Nice. There's also parent's who did view the game, and made the decsion to allow their kids to play based on the content (I would certainly let my 13 year old play) but weren't exposed to the zone chat excesses.
So... the kids are just SOL? Because you can't be bothered to control your language or not engage in detailed, graphic conversations in the public chat?

Not to mention the fact that I, paying for a game, shouldn't have to wade through that garbage just to ask a question. Their's private (guild and tells) methods of communication available to you. There's no reason you can't keep it clean in the public one.

You sound like the little old lady that kvetched at me on the corner because I dropped somethng, said "well, sh-" and their 10 year old grandkid was right there.

Not my fault you or your family cant teach the kid that in your opinion its not okay to say it or other words.

When I keep it out of /zone its because of ZOS' rules, not your kid or anyone elses kid.

Raising them and teaching them now not to be immature, pretentious, entitled brats is the parents' job, no one elses.

This "community raising" is why the state and schools think they know better how to raise your kid than you do, how better to educate them than you do, and hospitals have child services take your kid when you dont agree on how a condition should be treated.

I could go on about my opinion of todays crappy parenting and societys lack of personal accountability, but thats a different thread. Im not censoring myself in public because people like you demand it.

Well said. If people can't handle someone saying a combination of letters they don't like, remove themselves from the situation, or get over it.

Sakiri

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Crumpy wrote: »

I'm sure our sweet children hear far more profanity at school and among their peers than they do through computer games.

I REALLY don't think bad language heard/read in a game will ruin our younglings.

We're doing a good enough job at that through far more insidious means.

Maybe you should read up a bit on fallacious arguments. Here's an example.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as

When I was in school I heard far more profanity and sex ed talk from the high schoolers than I did around my parents. And my parents have potty mouths.

Why? Because its considered "bad". Its why kids do most of the crap we were told not to... because we arent supposed to do it.

My dad found out Id smoked weed 20 years ago. First thing he said was "if youd wanted to go and do that, at least do it up here(was ip at oyr hunting camp) where you wont get thrown in jail" followed by rolling a joint.

If its consideted "bad" or "wrong" to do, theyre going to do it.

My parents, I grew up with alcohol and smokes. I want to try something, "sure, fine." Loses its magic when its no longer "bad".

Orizuru

Sakiri wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.

The public street is labeled "M" because mature themes might happen there. Are you allowed to swear like a sailor there?

If you really want to swear, do it verbally without microphone on.
If you use /zone, guild or group channel you want others to hear you. You choose to risk offending others with it when you invest time to write it down. In the grown up world you suffer the consequences for your choices.
I am not peoples emotional garbage dump. If they try to make me to one, we have a disagreement. Your weapons are words, mine are ignore and report.

And before anybody tries the old fallacy: Freedom of Speech offers no protection. Your FOS is lower then my right to be not insulted and not annoyed by you.
And frankly it never applied to this game or the forum in the first place:
http://xkcd.com/1357/

Being insulted is a choice, and yes, I have right to swear up a storm on a public street.

Just an FYI from a few years working in the public sector... Most cities have enough legal precedent established to charge you with a misdemeanor Disturbing the Peace charge if you stand on a public street corner shouting profanities for too long.

Turrican

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.


~Hyperius

Cool story.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Sakiri

Crumpy wrote: »

SOL? An Americanism?

Sh- outta luck.

Sakiri

Orizuru wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

SCSA wrote: »

To start it off, my apologies to all the people whom I have possibly offended in the zone chat by dropping a f-bomb. Even got in a fun little profanity filled skype chat. I know this chain of events isn't worthy of a topic, but the real matter on hands is.

How does this profanity in this game work? Since it's an M (for mature) labeled game, are we allowed to say 'damn' every once in a while? I'm curious.

The public street is labeled "M" because mature themes might happen there. Are you allowed to swear like a sailor there?

If you really want to swear, do it verbally without microphone on.
If you use /zone, guild or group channel you want others to hear you. You choose to risk offending others with it when you invest time to write it down. In the grown up world you suffer the consequences for your choices.
I am not peoples emotional garbage dump. If they try to make me to one, we have a disagreement. Your weapons are words, mine are ignore and report.

And before anybody tries the old fallacy: Freedom of Speech offers no protection. Your FOS is lower then my right to be not insulted and not annoyed by you.
And frankly it never applied to this game or the forum in the first place:
http://xkcd.com/1357/

Being insulted is a choice, and yes, I have right to swear up a storm on a public street.

Just an FYI from a few years working in the public sector... Most cities have enough legal precedent established to charge you with a misdemeanor Disturbing the Peace charge if you stand on a public street corner shouting profanities for too long.

Yes, but theyre not going to do it because someone got bent over being told to f off or something.

I even have a case file on a guy that a cop tried to drag in for flipping him off (PA state cop), judge threw it out, told the cop to get over it.

You can be cited for disturbing the peace for standing on a corner shouting "anything" too long. Its how I clear out transient camps near the plaza. Theyll get loud and obnoxious and the cops will shoo them off.

Obscure

It's ZOS's and they make the rules on what others can or can't do in its regard. Just because you say I can't do M rated stuff with your wife, doesn't mean you can't...and if I so choose to ignore the rules there are consequences for my actions.

In summary, just don't get all M rated with the chat box. I know it's tempting, and seems inviting, but ZOS won't be happy if they find out.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Again--it's not the occasional word that bothers me at all.

Last night, in chat, in just the 3 minutes I read it, I was treated to people being called "C***"s, told how much they'd like to do various things (you can imagine) to the niece someone ill-advisedly mentioned, some troll popping in throughout to talk about the various animals he liked to have sex with (not his exact way of describing it, of course) and general abusive, nasty stuff. Mixed in with people asking game questions, looking for groups, trades, etc.

I'm not some old lady. I drop the f word all the time around people I know, both at work and home. But we're not talking some "fine line" here, or someone saying "boobies" or "crud".

It's a common chat area run by a private company, with its mix of people using it for legitimate game reasons. There's no place for it. I'd have had to ignore 20 people at least, just last night. Why should I or anyone have to constantly do that in order to use the only global communication in the game?

Coggage

Zaxq wrote: »

Coggage wrote: »

People who use profanity serve as useful indicator to the rest of us. It's a sure indication that they aren't bright enough to be worth chatting to and certainly aren't mature enough to group up with. The resulting click to /ignore ensures I never have to see them display their lack of both an education and a worthwhile vocabulary ever again. Sheer bliss.

You know who i think is unintelligent? People that use this tired old fallacy.

Shakespeare is littered with profanities, so are Chaucers works. So is Beowulf. So are many literary classics. Many of those authors are considered the best and brightest in their field.

Pffft, these people are no Chaucer or Shakespeare. They're just mouthy kids. Any moron can be mouthy, and in fact they inevitably are.

Sakiri

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Again--it's not the occasional word that bothers me at all.

Last night, in chat, in just the 3 minutes I read it, I was treated to people being called "C***"s, told how much they'd like to do various things (you can imagine) to the niece someone ill-advisedly mentioned, some troll popping in throughout to talk about the various animals he liked to have sex with (not his exact way of describing it, of course) and general abusive, nasty stuff. Mixed in with people asking game questions, looking for groups, trades, etc.

I'm not some old lady. I drop the f word all the time around people I know, both at work and home. But we're not talking some "fine line" here, or someone saying "boobies" or "crud".

It's a common chat area run by a private company, with its mix of people using it for legitimate game reasons, there's no place for it. I'd have had to ignore 20 people at least. Why should I or anyone have to in order to use the only global communication in the game if they're not comfortable with that kind of stuff?

At that point I turn chat off.

daneyulebub17_ESO

Sakiri wrote: »

daneyulebub17_ESO wrote: »

Again--it's not the occasional word that bothers me at all.

Last night, in chat, in just the 3 minutes I read it, I was treated to people being called "C***"s, told how much they'd like to do various things (you can imagine) to the niece someone ill-advisedly mentioned, some troll popping in throughout to talk about the various animals he liked to have sex with (not his exact way of describing it, of course) and general abusive, nasty stuff. Mixed in with people asking game questions, looking for groups, trades, etc.

I'm not some old lady. I drop the f word all the time around people I know, both at work and home. But we're not talking some "fine line" here, or someone saying "boobies" or "crud".

It's a common chat area run by a private company, with its mix of people using it for legitimate game reasons, there's no place for it. I'd have had to ignore 20 people at least. Why should I or anyone have to in order to use the only global communication in the game if they're not comfortable with that kind of stuff?

At that point I turn chat off.

Me too. I did. But I shouldn't have felt I had to. Chat is useful for lots of things, it should be treated as a common area, not a locker room in a middle school.

Crumpy

To be fair pointless repetitive cussing is annoying and immature, but one deployed here and there, to garnish one's point, is really rather a fine thing.

Lalai

Not sure I've ever heard of anyone getting banned for just using foul language. I have heard of people getting warnings or suspensions when it comes to using foul language alongside harassment of some sort.

GreySix

Still recall watching a captain giving a brief to a two-star general during a division operations order. The general stopped the captain, saying, "Captain, it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. So go sit down, and have your subordinate brief in your place."

No profanity was uttered, but that captain's face revealed a considerable amount of pain and turmoil.

methjester

Lalai wrote: »

Not sure I've ever heard of anyone getting banned for just using foul language. I have heard of people getting warnings or suspensions when it comes to using foul language alongside harassment of some sort.

I got reported in game for saying herpes. I then got a letter and a warning from Zeni for saying "herpes" in an open chat channel. I'm so very glad they have nothing better to do.

Crumpy

Seriously? That's absolutely ridiculous!

Soloeus

I am not sure what the exact TOS and EULA are, but I am absolutely certain there are draconian clauses that permit ZOS to ban you for "any reason" essentially. Remember, you have no "rights" here.

Also, you may always whisper things inside of your own head but that doesn't mean you should say it in the public. And, if you think there should be no rules whatsoever you are probably an uncivil jerk who just wants this to degenerate into Elder Scrolls 4chan Edition.

Edit:

As per the Name Shaming policy I won't give names, but some of you posters who are saying you should be allowed to cuss, have complained in zone chat whenever a political or religious debate comes up.

So you want to censor others too! You want to make sure people can say "Bloody Tampon Eater" but not "Damn Republicans." So you are also censors.

indytims_ESO

For the most part in-game so far, the people I see using profanity are obviously 12-year old desperate to get attention. They use profanity simply because they know they can, and it gives them a sense of worth that they can not find any other way than to speak like that in an MMO. Most of the profanity I've seen is used simply for the sake of it, or in sad, epic-failed attempts to get a few laughs so as to boost their own self-esteem.

There's a filter. I also really enjoy ignoring these idiots. Ignoring them doesn't hurt them, doesn't hurt me, so we can both press on and play the game how we want.

If Zone chat gets REALLY annoying, you can always turn it off, too. Join some guilds and watch guild-chat - then again, some of those are full of these very same 12 year olds trying to impress people with their use of profanity and dude-speak.

Again - the liberal use of the ignore function is quick, easy - and will make your gaming experience so much more enjoyable. It really does work!

daneyulebub17_ESO

What's the limit of the ignore list these days anyway? With all the spammers, I know mine was getting quite full.

Elvent

Not sure how it works...the game is rated M and I see people curse all the time in game but when I see it on the forums a mod always edits out the curse word and tells them not to use profanity...I thought the game was rated M and the forums should be the same?

I don't swear in game or on the forums but if I were to just put a random F bomb in my post I know a mod would come in and edit it out lol

AlexDougherty

Elvent wrote: »

Not sure how it works...the game is rated M and I see people curse all the time in game but when I see it on the forums a mod always edits out the curse word and tells them not to use profanity...I thought the game was rated M and the forums should be the same?

I don't swear in game or on the forums but if I were to just put a random F bomb in my post I know a mod would come in and edit it out lol

Best to use some sense of judgement, I don't object to swearing in general, especially as Liverpudlians use swearing as a form of emphasis. But on the other hand I don't want to see people swearing for the sake of swearing either.

Best Idea is to go for middle ground.

As for people letting kids play an M rated game, just don't.

butterfly442

You CAN say what you want.

People CAN report you for it.

You CAN cry about it.

But, it won't do any good.

Ragekniv

There is a filter, apply it liberally as you would hand sanitizer to affected areas.

It's a mature rated game, get over it.

DireKit

They're words. They don't harm anyone, they have no more power than YOU give them. Stop being childish, your virgin ears can handle it.

No voi vittu!