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Is this game a success or not ?

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ipkonfigcub18_ESO
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Posts like these, the one I made, always anger the fans. This is simply due to the fact I am bringing up something that they want never to happen: content death. I cannot say for certain if this will in fact happen within the game but I can say that with some certain ZOS have plans up their sleeves.

When you point out to the fan base that “Hey, your game may or may not survive” it brings into perspective that their love is about to die off or come to a complete halt. And to be quite honest that’s completely understandable.

There’s just one problem with this; not complaining will only make things worse. If you don’t stand up and speak your concerns then how is someone supposed to know you had a concern? You can choose to be civil about it or not – that’s where you become a person verses a trolling ‘moronic’ individual.

As I stated I enjoy this game but I have my grave concerns about it. When I pointed those concerns out you quickly started biting every hand in the crowd like a mad dog. Search inside about why this post angers you. Maybe you’re afraid the game you have waited for may have some underlining issues that might affect your longevity of game play. Hey and maybe I’m wrong. Problem is when you don’t come to the forums and post your concerns or issues you’re having with the game then what are you really hear for ? To troll or to contribute? I mostly see Trolling (and hey, I’m guilty of being rude and trolling on occasion – we are humans after all)

I’d like to come home every evening and have some nice enjoyable entertainment (sorry, MMORPGs are a factor of entertainment) rather than raging at issues within the game I am having a love/hate relationship with. I want ESO to succeed and dominate the MMORPG world. So when I see things starting to go in directions that I (and we’ve all seen it folks) have seen in other MMORPGs in the past – well, I get worried and start looking for possible future games to release (only to be right back where I started usually)

So instead of replying “Hey OP: blah blah blah I hope you burn slowly and die from acid drops into your empty eye sockets because you’re ruining my fun factor showing me facts/fiction…” why not actually be a contributing factor.
  • People hitting V12 in one day after release
  • We're not getting hot fixes
  • There's no reward system from dungeons
  • PVP system isn't rewarding (or lacking true fun)
  • We're getting game changes based certain player interest and not as a whole (i.e. RPers wanted collision, so we all were forced to endure it. that's just one example, this isn't pointing fingers at RPers.)
  • Not able to group with friends that need help with quests due to the phasing system

I really like this game (and you're hearing that from a NB) but I'm worried I have nothing to reward me when I hit V12 (currently V9). I'm seeing nothing to keep me busy in this game after I (we) hit max level. (and those already V12 have already said they have nothing to do PVE wise) Aside from that Group Quest Content is not appetizing in the least. Questing should stand as solo content, but some disagree and others agree.

I guess I do not get what this game is all about (help me if I'm off). I'm just not seeing the longevity of game play. Are we going to get content releases that just make us quest and quest?

I get our gear/weapons are better than anything in the game. But if dungeons are not going to drop the more uniqueness that reward us and make us want to hit dungeons all the time then I don't see where this game is going.

Honestly I'm shocked patches have not been released to address the Nightblade bugs riddling the class. Instead we were told "next content patch release". Why would this company make us wait? Such a horrible attitude to force frustration out on your players.

Really, I'm getting a bit lost here.
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  • ipkonfigcub18_ESO
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    @doggie well said.

    I came back to add: I just entered a solo dungeon that by all means is NOT solo (as a Nightblade). I have asked for help in the zone I'm in - but guess what? So many have quit the game I actually have a hard time getting groups. Before, it was quite easy to find people.

    I may have to agree that this game is becoming a ticking time bomb. ZOS is not moving this game in the direction that many players are used too.

    And chalk up those who will say "ya but they do things different and I like that!" - Well, guess what? They're losing players who want some of the same architecture that other games have provided in the past that were successful.
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  • AlexDougherty
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    ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »
    • People hitting V12 in one day after release
    • We're not getting hot fixes
    • There's no reward system from dungeons
    • PVP system isn't rewarding (or lacking true fun)
    • We're getting game changes based certain player interest and not as a whole (i.e. RPers wanted collision, so we all were forced to endure it. that's just one example, this isn't pointing fingers at RPers.)
    V10 not V12, V12 is more recent, and most of the V10 withing the first fortnight had been beta testers.
    Hot Fixes are a different system, we get our updates during maintenance, this isn't the only MMO to do that.
    Game based changes are nearly always in the favour of one sector of the players, because that section asked for it, the fact they are listening should be good news.

    As for whether this game is a success, ask us again in six months, the community if it exists will have an answer then.
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  • p.hurst1b16_ESO
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    No it is not a success. The exploits and rmt wrecked the economy early on. The power gamers wreck the economy now.

    The friendly face of RMT (it is NOT all Chinese and if you think it is you are badly informed) is there in the trade guilds selling stacks of purple tempers...

    The endgame is a dull grind in Craglorn or a dull slog through normal content but with exp gains stripped from everything but kills and quests.

    No steady stream of hotfixes. This is a sign of poor game management. I was in early wow and rift and there were little fixes to all sorts of things most days early on.

    The gaps in the grouping tool are wide and dreary. Just when you get into dungeon mode it is over and no more queue for you. I do not want to shout in char for LFG, surely those days are over !

    So many tiers of gear at endgame and it is either grind or slog to get to the end and already the cap has been lifted beyond the reach of regular payers and will be exceeded before they get there.

    The bots seem to have calmed down but Wildstar is partly responsible for that.

    Feels like a SWTOR or as mentioned above, Tabula Rasa.


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  • theyancey
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    Just another whine fest.
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  • Wintersage
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    Heh. You didn't mention one positive aspect this game has going for it. Like the gorgeous world it truly is, or the unparalleled quests. (Both in design and scripting.) Or the truly enchanting music.

    Not one.

    So no, your little list there is most certainly biased.

    As for my opinion? This game isn't a success. But it hasn't yet failed. I guess I think it's almost a success. With just the right push...

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    Edited by ZOS_LeroyW on June 1, 2014 6:23PM
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  • magickats242cub18_ESO
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    ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »
    magickats242cub18_ESO wrote: »
    Well by the look of your list, OP, you already made up your mind on the state of the game. My question to you is this: Why are you still spending time and money on something you already wrote off as a failure?

    That's a fanboy/RP comment....

    No, it's a legitimate question, which probably applies to you as well. Why are you still here if you hate the game so much? And why am I a "fanboi" just because I am just stating my opinion? It's ok to say that you hate the game and agree with the other haters, but it's not ok to disagree and say you are actually having fun. I don't get it. You are looking for validation in a public forum, and when you don't get what you want, you resort to insults. Not a very grown up thing to do.

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  • Wifeaggro13
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    ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »
    • People hitting V12 in one day after release
    • We're not getting hot fixes
    • There's no reward system from dungeons
    • PVP system isn't rewarding (or lacking true fun)
    • We're getting game changes based certain player interest and not as a whole (i.e. RPers wanted collision, so we all were forced to endure it. that's just one example, this isn't pointing fingers at RPers.)

    I really like this game (and you're hearing that from a NB) but I'm worried I have nothing to reward me when I hit V12 (currently V9). I'm seeing nothing to keep me busy in this game after I (we) hit max level. (and those already V12 have already said they have nothing to do PVE wise) Aside from that Group Quest Content is not appetizing in the least. Questing should stand as solo content, but some disagree and others agree.

    I guess I do not get what this game is all about (help me if I'm off). I'm just not seeing the longevity of game play. Are we going to get content releases that just make us quest and quest?

    I get our gear/weapons are better than anything in the game. But if dungeons are not going to drop the more uniqueness that reward us and make us want to hit dungeons all the time then I don't see where this game is going.

    Honestly I'm shocked patches have not been released to address the Nightblade bugs riddling the class. Instead we were told "next content patch release". Why would this company make us wait? Such a horrible attitude to force frustration out on your players.

    Really, I'm getting a bit lost here.

    1).No one hit V12 in one day , not to my knowledge not legit anyhow. and those that exploited got roll backs happens in every launch MMO

    2). getting hot fixes all the time actually some of them they dont list in notes and pisses me off.

    3). No reward system for dungeons? what do you mean? I get stuff every VR dungeon i run? are you talking about food stamps fr set gear ? thank god they dont have that.

    4). PVP well i know ive seen purple reward boxes that blow away any items in game currently . And i have quite a bit of fun every time i PVP.

    5). Collision detection? Really. it made the PVE better! it made animations better and it enhanced combat. not sure where your at with this here.
    But with that said there are things wrong with the game for sure .
    Hear is a list

    1). Balance between Stamin , magica and , health builds. magica reigns supreme due to the crap passives in medium and heavy armor.

    2). melee balance . horrible compared to magica at this point. melee DPS is penalized horribly in all boss mechanics . lacking true burst it simply falls behind sustained magica.

    3). Very poor agro mechanics with poor CC and utility for the amount of mobs they throw at you in Veteran content. it becomes just a cluster F of AOE damage spamming. no real skill or player communication in this area of game

    4). Itemization and crafting. Currently the best gear attainable until the last trial is simply crafted. Crafting is meaningful which is very good but it completely destroys alot of the reward system for PVE grouping.

    5). Phasing...... need i say more it actually frustrates players more then it creates "immersion"

    But to answer the question it is a success im still playing past the first month daily . and i suspect form my guilds activity it has above average retention rate. some where around what rift did inits first 90 days which was very good.
    Unfortunately your playing a NB which has some broken abilities and imbalances hopefully the patch will address this
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  • Divayith
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    If you ask this Forum then the answer you will get is that this game is a failure. The people that frequently post on these boards are pretty negative. They are very vocal, but I believe they represent a minority of the active subscriptions. Also some of those Negative Nancys dropped their subs and no longer play, but that doesn't stop them from tearing down the game on these boards. If you take some time to sift through the threads and posts of these these 3 star posters you find long history of negative threads and posts. Just sayin'.

    There is no doubt that ZOS dropped the ball on some issues, but overall the game is pretty good, and will be around for a long time.
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  • doggie
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    The reason why the RMT's managed to become so powerfull is that Zenimax allowed you to buy the game online with stolen Visa / Mastercard. 10 years ago you had to go to a real shop and buy a physical copy at launch day.

    That obviously limited the gold sellers, they had to survive with a limited ammount of accounts, and couldn't fly across the sky mining nodes.

    Other game producers are also better at checking if the CC is stolen.
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  • steveb16_ESO46
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    tylarthb16_ESO wrote: »
    Is this game a success or not ? in short, no.
    It is a contender for one of the poorest launches and early game development for an MMO, especially considering the budget and backbone of earlier elder scrolls genre success.

    Agreed. And I say this as one who took out a 6 month sub instantly. I've never seen a game go downhill so quickly but then again most companies don't just make things worse with every 'fix'.
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  • Cogo
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    It has a great potential. ESO is one of the game in quite some time that have a new version of MMO.

    They done beautiful on alot of things. Its still new, so battling with common problems that every MMO has cant be avoided.

    However, Zenimax have shown they fix things, they even communicate to us what they are fixing. They have a short - Medium and long term plan. Which all is intergrated in Tamriel one way or another.

    For example, I love everquest. Still best MMO and FAR superiour in raiding then any game. BUT, I lost my interest when after plane of time, cause they started in add expansion that made no sense for the game. Out of ideas maybe? Feedback? I dont know.

    ESO is like a movie you are in, and it seams to never end!

    Lets see in a few months......
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  • Nox_Aeterna
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    To me , it is a game sales , and in this case the amount of subs it keeps after a while , that define how much of a success it is.

    Zen wont release said numbers , so i cant really say.

    Still , because they wont say the numbers , one can wonder how good they are to begin with.
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  • jbfroik
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    Its not a failure. Some people are just unable to achieve happiness no matter what you give them. May I suggest counseling and not gaming as what you should seek to handle your issues. Also calmly waiting for things helps as well. The child in the back of the car screams "are we there yet?" Well no sir its LIKE TWO FREAKING MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH. Of course we aren't there yet. How can you judge something so quickly. When you weren't walking at two months did your mother say "Oh god two months and hes not walking, he must be ***" and then discard you because in two months she had a good idea where you were headed in life? Fortunately for you all your mothers did not. Pay if forward scrubs.
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  • steveb16_ESO46
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    Cogo wrote: »
    However, Zenimax have shown they fix things

    Really? didn't know they do another MMO.
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    jbfroik wrote: »
    Its not a failure. Some people are just unable to achieve happiness no matter what you give them. May I suggest counseling and not gaming as what you should seek to handle your issues. Also calmly waiting for things helps as well. The child in the back of the car screams "are we there yet?" Well no sir its LIKE TWO FREAKING MONTHS AFTER LAUNCH. Of course we aren't there yet. How can you judge something so quickly. When you weren't walking at two months did your mother say "Oh god two months and hes not walking, he must be ***" and then discard you because in two months she had a good idea where you were headed in life? Fortunately for you all your mothers did not. Pay if forward scrubs.

    Not everyone will stay paying for something that might someday become what they were looking for.

    ESO does have many problems currently and thus many players are leaving it , all there is to it.

    This is not real life mate , there are tons of games to be played and people only got so much free time on their hands, so yeah , they will go for the best option usually , not for the option that MIGHT be the best one day.
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    What you mean "many players are leaving"? I guess I see ghosts in level 30-40-45 zones, because thats where the big mass of players are. Along with lowbie zones with alts and new players.
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    A few articles where at least correct and stating lets see in a few months.

    But I keep seeing the same mistake over and over.
    The wrong idea what Zenimax have discribed ESO as. This is not my view but what head Managers have answered over and over again, even a year before release

    1. ESO is not Skyrim online
    2. ESO has many parts that are equal to others, but they are trying to break new ground with a new type. Several articles are confused about this.
    3. ESO is not only a PVP game
    4. ESO is not a "normal" MMO where leveling, charater progression is the ultimate goal.
    5. No one mentions the thing ESO have done extremly well. Connecting Tamriel lore with pretty much everything.
    6. Features like build your char how you want......I didnt see that anywhere
    7. Not one word about quests that actually effects your game, depending what you choose.
    8. Only 1 article had understood the fact that ESO is an evolving game.

    I think most who are unhappy about the game isnt just becase of bugs. It cause they expected another MMO as most are. Just the single fact alone that level 1-50, without even looking at your exp bar is enjoyable, makes ESO different from most MMO already.

    Sure, there are alot of problems to be fixed. And even mistakes made.
    But so what. Lets see in a few months where we stand?
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  • the.dzeneralb16_ESO
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    Definitely hasn't. The only people who are leaving are people who thought this was Skyrim online, or this is their first MMO launch (You think this is bad, google hte first 6 months of WoW....or literally any other MMO). After about 6 months it'll be fair to start judging lag/bugs.
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    @‌Phantax

    while I agree the game is not living up to the standards people expected, and the game is less than a success most of those things complain about the monthly fee and I know most people prefer a monthly fee.

    and for the love of everything, people, stop posting forbes. Its one guy there who just hates the sub model - besides anyone who is actually into finances uses forbes as the funny pages now. They are a joke in a dying economy who are having trouble adapting so they resort to shock articles because it gets hits.

    Why? because people like you post it on forums to prove a "point"
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    ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »
    • People hitting V12 in one day after release

    stopped reading there .... obviously a troll post because V12 was released 1,5 months after release


    Lvl 50 was hit 17 hours after prerelease
    Lvl V10 after 3 days
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  • chriss23
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    I would just like to add my comment for what it's worth. Having jumped from ES single player games to ESO, I am totally enjoying the new experience of playing alongside people from all over Europe and beyond. The guild I've joined has been very supportive (this is my first ever MMORPG) and that I believe is also part of playing a game like this. The landscapes are beautiful and very like those encountered in other ES games and the quests and dialogue are well thought out.
    I'm a positive sort of person - I say a glass is half-full rather than half-empty and I guess I don't complain overmuch. There have been a lot of negative comments on the forums but maybe some folks are just expecting too much. It's part of human nature and because of it we end up being disappointed.

    So to answer the question: 'Is this game a success or not?' my personal answer is resounding 'Yes!'
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  • zeuseason
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    ipkonfigcub18_ESO wrote: »

    Really, I'm getting a bit lost here.

    Is this post biased or not? Hell du fek yea it is.

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    doggie wrote: »
    The reason why the RMT's managed to become so powerfull is that Zenimax allowed you to buy the game online with stolen Visa / Mastercard. 10 years ago you had to go to a real shop and buy a physical copy at launch day.

    That obviously limited the gold sellers, they had to survive with a limited ammount of accounts, and couldn't fly across the sky mining nodes.

    Other game producers are also better at checking if the CC is stolen.
    Digital copies of games are nothing new, its been going on for years as this. You just trying to make an excuse to blame the company for something you have no idea about.

    I have been playing since beta, i enjoyed the game and now i can not bring myself to even log in. I did enjoy the game a good amount, even payed months in advance for it....

    I have since started playing another game and there are aspect in ESO that are not in the other games that i do miss a lot as in the combat and such, dodging and such. But for me in the current state of ESO i have no reason to log in, with the changes made that are mentioned and not even mentioned you have no idea what its going to be like once you log in and the fact that the game has always just been tested by a select few (sure we have open beta but heck we all know those weekend things are just for advertisement and to wet people's appetite) . If we needed further proof of that all we need to do is look at what has happened since Craglorn, even when the issue was brought up on these boards the mods deleted the threads and issues warnings to people that brought up this issue and the sheeple went right along with it and now we have the same broken stuff as we did at release just more pronounced since we were looking for it to be more refined (craglorn) then the release.

    Anyway, no you cant have my stuff :P but that is how i feel about the game in the current state.
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