@ZoS - Please let the dev team who designed the magicka builds, now to design the stamina builds too

Gilvoth

if i told you that tomorrow it will be a 29.5% chance that it will rain Hail stones, would you think it will rain Hail stones?
i would say probably Not and most likely will Not rain Hail stones tomorrow with that low of a chance percentage.
well the exact same thing is happening here with critical chances, because my nightblade critical chance is 29.5%
if it was 50% i would still not think it will happen because all surgeries are a 50 - 50% chance you might die ... (and ive never heard of nor seen anyone die from surgery altho it does happen)

xanikk999

Are you kidding?

People die from surgery every day. Depending on the type of surgery there might even be a good chance you die (e.g. Emergency heart surgery following gunshot wound).

Dying from surgery is actually quite common.

kirnmalidus

OkieDokie wrote: »

Maybe you missed the changes in stamina builds.

Medium armor will include a 2% cost reduction per piece for stamina abilities as well. Check the developer discussion section.

Someone gave the idea of getting rid of spell and weapon crit and putting them together. It would solve this as well.

OP is from May 31.

xaraan

Good job of explaining the major differences of the two builds and the problems because of those differences.

I think they could go a long way with a few changes:

Add an armor penetration % to the passives similar the spell penetration the light armor users get - could be a bit less since you have some weapon options in there to reduce armor as well.

Increase the cost reduction amount for CC break, sprint reduction and dodge roll reduction by a large amount. I know ZoS is scared of making major changes, but this would make having to use your same resource for performing those actions and for abilities actually feasible.

Those two changes combined with the handful of small changes mentioned in their stamina improvement thread would do wonders IMO. Top that off with some better jewelry and armor sets for stamina users (including more crit chance options) and maybe even a skill in a future thieves guild or dark brotherhood line that will let you trade magicka for stamina.

I disagree with the comment about immovable however. Those armor skills are usable by all players no matter what armor they wear and the morphs are what only become useful when wearing that armor type. Nothing wrong with keeping it that way IMO.

I also think crit needs a little work. I know many players hate having anything taken away, but I would almost consider soft capping crit chance, it would help even things out a bit IMO. I wouldn't do anything crazy, maybe start the softcap at like 45% and hard cap it at 65% or something. But that's just one idea. I also think ruze has a decent idea about combining crit chance into one stat - that would also fix issues for some of the weird spells that use magicka, but weapon crit, or vice versa.

Ser Lobo

I actually agree with forcing the armor abilities to be used only when a majority of that armor type is equipped. 5/7 is a nice number.

Mainly because there is precedent in weapon abilities requiring that weapon equipped to use them.



And a passive to reduce sprint, dodge, cc-break, interrupt, block and stealth costs by over half if the player happens to have a stamina-using weapon equipped would be nice, but only a stopgap, as it still doesn't take in fighters-guild abilities or any possible future abilities.

A new 'endurance' bar, much like horses have, would be the smoother option in my opinion, changing the appropriate passives to reflect.

Cody

i have a NB archer on hold right now, because she relies heavily on stamina, and i don't even want to take her to the higher Vr lvls till this stamina/magicka balance gets fixed. the amount of buffs LA gives is insane imo. penetrates 42% spell resis?? i don't see medium or heavy armor having anything remotely CLOSE:/

Bashev

xaraan wrote: »

Increase the cost reduction amount for CC break, sprint reduction and dodge roll reduction by a large amount. I know ZoS is scared of making major changes, but this would make having to use your same resource for performing those actions and for abilities actually feasible.

Don't you think that this reduction will be more useful for a magicka based builds again? If there is a reduction of these abilities it should be available only when you use medium or heavy or you are equipped with stamina based weapon. In this way I guess we will prevent to be used from the OP magicka builds.

xaraan wrote: »

I also think crit needs a little work. I know many players hate having anything taken away, but I would almost consider soft capping crit chance, it would help even things out a bit IMO. I wouldn't do anything crazy, maybe start the softcap at like 45% and hard cap it at 65% or something. But that's just one idea. I also think ruze has a decent idea about combining crit chance into one stat - that would also fix issues for some of the weird spells that use magicka, but weapon crit, or vice versa.

There is no soft cap or hard cap reduction on crit because if you have 7 legendary armors + 1 legendary shiled with crit resistance you can achieve 80% crit resistance. In order to counter this high crit resistance, no soft cap should be implemented. PvE is another story. I guess that mobs has no crit resistance (not sure about that) but it can be easily added.