Do you feel like you are playing to beta test this game right now?

Still_Mind

Yes

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

Still_Mind wrote: »

DireKit wrote: »

We love this game, don't get us wrong. Buuuut We also have in our time playing, run into problems even in early-levels that impeded our ability to move forward in the game and complete quests all together.

Thaaat's kinda bad. Even if all games do have their problems. When that sort of quest-bugging is something that you just go "Oh, this quest too?," then there's a bit of an issue.

We'd really like this game to succeed, though. We do actually like it.

Pretty much this. Otherwise I wouldn't be subbed, or wouldn't have upgraded to Digital Imperial edition a couple of days ago.

Love the scope of this game, love the TES setting, love its potential. But bugs and poor design decisions are like big bumps on a really picturesque road. The more you enjoy it, the harder you fall when you hit one.

Honestly, if they gave me a way to spend more money, I would. I really do support the game that much.

Got both, the Imperial edition and the cash horse? Hardcore :P

driosketch

No

Having played the beta for months, I can say with certainty the overall experience has not been the same as playing on live.

AvalonRanger

Yes

Now a days, I feel crazy bug decreasing. So, it's getting better.
And, I found few of quest which have interesting mechanism logic.
It's also good.Certainly,some part of this game is improved.

But,game difficulty in Vet area and merchant cost (ex.horse ,bag upgrade) is really crazy. Go to more higher Vet area, difficulty balance is more getting worse.
So recently,I spent most of play time for farming to get XP and money.
It's nonsence ***.

I feel ,ZOteam game designer is some kind of amateur game geek rather than
professional game planner.

Arreyanne

Yes

Brainzee wrote: »

Still_Mind wrote: »

**SNIP.

Really, SWToR launch?
That game were you had to use a script to keep your character ingame when going to work else you would come back and end up in a 1h30+ queue?
There were less bugged quests but there were bugged dungeons and the same kind of exploits all over, like spawn-camp turret farming in illum for one.

This game is far from a BETA, it simply is half-assed work.

Ah so ur one of those what scripts you running in ESO, have your multiboxing program running.

Nooblet

No

Nope sure dont. But I am kinda bored. Was hoping the PvP would keep me entertained for a while but it's not

Aaklor

Yes

I was paying to play their beta, but I unsubbed a cpl days ago. I want to come back, I love the game, just not in its current state.

Dagus

Yes

Yes but i'm not worried.
They released the game too soon
They did not test the bugs well enough to get them out of the system before release
they will lose players because of these things

but i'm still here, and so are all of you, things will get better, then they will get worse, then they will get better. it is an endless MMO cycle.

stay or leave, make your choice. i'm here, and will continue to be.
have a little faith in the things you enjoy.

Madval

No

No. The game is perfect for me.

Calendyr

Yes

Actually I feel like I am playing an Alpha version of the game. Some of the very important aspects are not even implemented correctly yet. For exemple, the Guild stores:

Can't do a search unless you have an add-on. I downloaded one and it stopped working so I am back to square one.

Can't organize the list in any way. Would be nice to have it listed by craft, or quality or something... nope.

Game crashes at least once every time I play. Not to mention the insane lag in the bank areas. I always log out at banks because as everyone knows inventory management is the things you will use most of your time in this game. When I log back on it sometimes takes up to a minute before I can even move. I get about 1 frame per second for the first minute after load then it finaly speeds up to about 5-10 fps for a little while. Enough to aim the mouse at the banker and start looking at my stuf. Really, really annoying!

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Yes

Honestly? Beyond BETA

Evergnar

Yes

About the only thing I can think of that has truely improved since beta are the quest bugs/instancing. They were terrible in beta. Unfortunately most everything else has either stayed the same or degraded imo. As far as feeling like I'm playing a game in it's beta state most definitely because it is.

That being said I do love the game and believe it will eventually get cleaned up, just not sure when. First month it felt like they were making some progress but this month has felt like a step back. Can only hope they take two steps forward next month.

It's unfortunate in todays gaming world with pre-orders and release dates that resemble box office movies that companies have to release these games in the states they are in. Zos certainly isn't the only one and as hard as it might have been for them to delay the console release it was a good move.

Ser Lobo

No

@Calendyr‌ Have you tried turning your graphics settings down? I had this issue with my 2gb of ram XP PC. Sure, I can put the game at max graphics, but one setting has really made it playable: view distance.

I set my view distance to around 25, and the game is so much more responsive it's not even funny.

p.hurst1b16_ESO

Yes

Yes, Not down to bugs. I expect bugs close to release and I expect bugs after patches and expansions too. That is MMO life.

The reasons I feel it is an unfinished project are as follows

- Class and Skill Line Balancing in PvP.
- Gaps between dungeons in the grouping tools. Ugh ! 7 levels and no queue !
- No structured endgame.
- Gear and crafting imbalances, level 30 boots with 102 majicka for example.
- Fishing has nothing.
- Weak Client that allows easy automation. Starting zones are overrun now. This is a very ugly truth about this game.

This list is not exhaustive.

Riksis

No

Played a lot of MMOs at launch, most had worse issues than this one.

Issues with bad design choices regarding mechanics are just that - bad design choices. If enough players complain (e.g. cancel sub) than it will get changed.

And no end game - show me the mmo that had any reasonable amount of endgame content after 2 months.

Elirienne

No

Voted NO, because sick of all the crying.

This is very simple. Here's a question for you:

What would you rather have?

A.) a game released on 31 March in the state it was, and the last 2 months with all the playtime, server downtimes, fixes, rollbacks, story, , so all in all what happened, the good and the bad, or...

B.) if they hadn't released the game at all until November, but by then, no bugs or rollbacks and whatnot and it works perfectly?

If your answer is A.) - then kindly shut the *** up. If your answer is B.), then kindly unsub, and come back in November, and enjoy the game then.

Thulsola

No

I have spent quite a bit of money backing Star Citizen. In fact, I give them money each month for what basically amounts to a newsletter I support them so much. And what do I have to show for it? A hanger with a ship in it I can't fly yet.

And I'm not unhappy at all.

I don't feel like I'm beta testing ESO - mostly because I really haven't been hit with too many of the issues others seem to have been hit with. I wouldn't call it a mature product, but if I'm willing to give RSI $20 a month for a game that is still a year or more away from even being beta tested, I'm certainly willing to give Zeni $15 a month to improve a game that I am getting to play and enjoy - warts and all.

oxylus

Yes

Elirienne wrote: »

Voted NO, because sick of all the crying.

This is very simple. Here's a question for you:

What would you rather have?

A.) a game released on 31 March in the state it was, and the last 2 months with all the playtime, server downtimes, fixes, rollbacks, story, , so all in all what happened, the good and the bad, or...

B.) if they hadn't released the game at all until November, but by then, no bugs or rollbacks and whatnot and it works perfectly?

If your answer is A.) - then kindly shut the *** up. If your answer is B.), then kindly unsub, and come back in November, and enjoy the game then.

Well, I'm happy to play the current game in this state in the same way someone happily plays the beta of a game :P but that doesn't mean it doesn't feel like a beta.

BCBasher

"Paying" to beta test it is more like it. What the hell did they break this morning?

FrauPerchta

Yes

Yes I do feel like we're playing in a paid beta. Unfortunately these days that's how most MMOs and many other PC games are released these days. It's all about publishing even if the game isn't ready so that the diminishing funds can be resupplied.

Kaskako

Yes

Every time there is a patch multiple things break. Whenever they try to fix an ability they end up making things worse.

First content patch, PvP is broken and the "Trials" are disappointing, the craglorn area is quite disappointing in general.

Zanagan

Yes

This is P2B - Pay to Beta.

CTraveler

No

No.

And for those citing bugs that slip through on patch release as a reason for it being "Beta," these things happen *all the time* no matter how thorough the testers are.

One game I played accidentally removed a critical game-play feature completely by accident during one major update while adding another feature. They fixed it as soon as they could, and ZOS does the same with their bugs.

Noctisse

Yes

@Zanagan Exactly that.

Brainzee

No

DireKit wrote: »

That's typically what a beta is. Unfinished, half-assed. That's why you play a beta, to find the issues with the beta and report them so they can be fixed.

Beta testing is so you can figure out major bugs (e.g. falling threw ground when opening a door), the fact that this game is half-assed in so many ways (e.g. inventory, guild management, crafting system, GUI) has nothing to do with beta, it's lazy work that's that.
As you said, there is that feeling of unfinished product, again, this has nothing to do with the game being a beta, it has to do with project management and game design. This game could be good, but not yet, it's not bad, it's merely average.

DireKit wrote: »

We love this game, don't get us wrong. Buuuut We also have in our time playing, run into problems even in early-levels that impeded our ability to move forward in the game and complete quests all together.

Thaaat's kinda bad. Even if all games do have their problems. When that sort of quest-bugging is something that you just go "Oh, this quest too?," then there's a bit of an issue.

We'd really like this game to succeed, though. We do actually like it.

See I am vr12 (Daggerfall Convenant, maybe the other factions are different) and I have completed most if not all quests up to Craglorn, and, I have ran I think into maybe 4 quests that I couldn't complete and had needed an actual patch for me to complete.

However, I have read on zone chat so many times people asking if a quest is bugged because they can't complete it for whatever reason (usually their own inability to read a quest log or read a map marker) that then they think the quest is bugged.
Those are different issues, some quests are bugged, and some players are terrible, one of those is on Zenimax' end, the other however will never be fixed.

Brainzee

No

Arreyanne wrote: »

Brainzee wrote: »

Still_Mind wrote: »

**SNIP.

Really, SWToR launch?
That game were you had to use a script to keep your character ingame when going to work else you would come back and end up in a 1h30+ queue?
There were less bugged quests but there were bugged dungeons and the same kind of exploits all over, like spawn-camp turret farming in illum for one.

This game is far from a BETA, it simply is half-assed work.

Ah so ur one of those what scripts you running in ESO, have your multiboxing program running.

I am not sure I understand what you are talking about.
In SWToR the servers were so undersized, and the login server was probably so cheap that if you didn't have a way to keep your character within the game you would end up having a 1h30-2h queue when coming back from work.

A script in this case could be a simple as saying, press the "a" key once every 2 minutes, I'm not sure what it has to do with your sentence.

Also, what about multiboxing?
Far as I know it is not legal, yet, in this game so no I am not.
Also this game is not worth, to me, having multiple accounts so even if it was legal I wouldn't be boxing.

You are probably one of those who can't tell the difference between boxing and boting, one is partially automated, and often legal depending on the company, and the other is fully automated and 100% of the time illegal no matter the company.

Also because you seem extremely misinformed, you don't need a program to multibox, all you need is basic scripting knowledge to redirect keystrokes from one to client towards n others (n being the number of extra clients you have after the first one, just in case).
Multiboxing programs are either utility that the community made for everyone or large scale products, in either case they are not needed.

david271749

Yes

I think most people are running on wishful thinking and trying to use the game time they paid for at this point.

stewartkub17_ESO

Yes

We do feel this way with exception.

We are here for the long haul and feel as if things will eventually get better. We really want to see this game survive and become the game that it was envisioned to be.

For us, there is so much that does work and our experience thus far has been good. We are willing to give, help in that regard, by playing and giving constructive feedback when needed or when we run into problems that need to be brought to ZOS attention.

Staying positive and realizing that nothing is ever going to be perfect for every person and that what you like, I may not, or Vice Versa.
Hope this makes sense
jen

Dev

Yes

this is a beta game... and that's being nice

Preachan

No

I played MMOs with much more and worse release problems; even games which keep these problems for more than a year (huge TSW Fangirl over here).
Nah, ESO doesn't feel like a Beta in comparison to other new MMOs.

isengrimb16_ESO

I've been in two or three betas, they were much worse.

Give ESO devs a bit of time. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.

No wonder my maintenance man husband comes home with a headache and a bellyache every night. He works at a motel that should have, by rights, been condemned before he started working there. The owners have been pretty tough about wanting to improve it. Me, I'd just firebomb the place for to rip off the filthy insurance company.

When no one was in there, of course. I myself was a near victim of landlord firestarting for insurance purposes while living in Toronto in the 1980s. Dumb-butts went and used smudgepots. No one was harmed. But one smudgepot was right outside the door of a couple with a baby; my friend that I was visiting burned his hand on the old-fashioned snake hose trying to put that one out. The couple and their baby got out via a back door, thank goodness for the sensible design of older, low buildings. The guy two floors above was able to escape via firestairs, and he was the last one out.