Made my first sorcerer....no wonder.

PVT_Parts

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

Liquid_Time

They cannot swim quickly. Lets go with that.

PVT_Parts

Liquid_Time wrote: »

They cannot swim quickly. Lets go with that.

You are correct, unless they are an argonian sorcerer. Don't they have a completely useless passive for that?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

What is strange is last night while I was playing, my 5 year old came up to me and was telling me all the , cool things he did in Turtle Class today. That is what they call his preschool class. They worked on numbers, and letters, played an animal game had a great time. As he is winding down on his stories he looks at me and says, 'what the hell? You are a templar? Sorcs rock you stupid newb.'

Lox

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

They cannot swim quickly. Lets go with that.

You are correct, unless they are an argonian sorcerer. Don't they have a completely useless passive for that?

I wouldn't say completely useless but it is pretty low on the usefulness scale

The passive gives 50% swim speed increase and 5/10/15% increase in potion effects based on level of the skill.

dbennett707cub18_ESO

Lox wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Liquid_Time wrote: »

They cannot swim quickly. Lets go with that.

You are correct, unless they are an argonian sorcerer. Don't they have a completely useless passive for that?

I wouldn't say completely useless but it is pretty low on the usefulness scale

The passive gives 50% swim speed increase and 5/10/15% increase in potion effects based on level of the skill.

Argonian racials are pretty nice when paired with nb. My main is a argonian nb drain tank, you get +35% potion effect from the passives combined and increased healing, it's just argonian is an undervalued race atm.

Liquid_Time

Yeah, the potion effectiveness is a nice passive. I enjoy it ^^

GrimCyclone

Liquid_Time wrote: »

They cannot swim quickly. Lets go with that.

LOL

Ser Lobo

I recently made a redguard sorcerer sword-and-shield tank.

Most powerful I've ever felt. He just trashes mobs, skipping through content.

Sneak attack? Preparing the battlefield? Choosing your targets?

Honestly, why bother. He just nukes and moves on. And apparently, I'm not even doing THAT as efficiently as I could with light armor and a destro staff.

Huckdabuck

If you're worried about the stamina regen then you're playing a sorc wrong....can't you tell by all the QQ'n on the forums it's all about that OP FTW 2 button rotation of BE/CS! Mash 2 buttons and I WIN every fight every time!!!!!

Erock25

DK has much better stamina

PVT_Parts wrote: »

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that.

I'd trade that passive and a couple of others to go with it for DK Battle Roar passive which restores about 800 stam, magicka, hp on every ultimate use.

Reykice

Unlike NB`s/templars/dk`s, sorc has NO stamina regen passive. None. Nothing.

Also, 5% reduction.... templars get 4%... dk`s have stamina regen on the healing spell... nb`s have no resource problems if built for it....

SeinSchatten

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

As he is winding down on his stories he looks at me and says, 'what the hell? You are a templar? Sorcs rock you stupid newb.'

My 1 year old son said the same.

zgrssd

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

Noobie

I am unsure of sorc mechanics but I know for sure Templars and DK has a stam regening ability, NB has siphons. So maybe they gave that too Sorc to balance them with the rest. Again Sorc might have a skill that buffs Stam regen I do not know i dont play one.

PVT_Parts

alexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »

Unlike NB`s/templars/dk`s, sorc has NO stamina regen passive. None. Nothing.

Also, 5% reduction.... templars get 4%... dk`s have stamina regen on the healing spell... nb`s have no resource problems if built for it....

There are no stamina regen passives for any class. The stam regen passive comes from med armor.

PVT_Parts

zgrssd wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

You are right, they are only in my way to see that there is no class balance and that Sorcerers are king. Who says Sorcerers are mostly magic build? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. Who says knights are usually stamina based and not magic as much? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. If you use a sorcerer with a stamina build, you are doing something wrong.

AlexDougherty

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

The passive that reduces magicka and stamina cost, well if you also use silver shards ability from the fighter guild, then it helps. But yeah it is a bit odd.

FunkyBudda

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

Sorc has better passives than other classes?

Try DK, battle roar + corrosive armor = solo Craglorn content

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103435/dk-solos-craglorn

Please show me a Sorc that does that, or the other 2 classes.

Nice try tho, but EPIC FAIL.

Huckdabuck

PVT_Parts wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

You are right, they are only in my way to see that there is no class balance and that Sorcerers are king. Who says Sorcerers are mostly magic build? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. Who says knights are usually stamina based and not magic as much? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. If you use a sorcerer with a stamina build, you are doing something wrong.

Well thank you for pointing out that all these pesky BE/CS sorcs have a worthless passive that doesn't do them any good whatsoever. Time for all the sorcs to rise up and QQ for Zenimax to replace that unnecessary portion of the passive to something more beneficial (like maybe an increase to both range of BE and damage done by CS. Jesus.

DERPPPPPP!

jambam817_ESO

Don't forget, Nightblades have a Shadow Skill passive that regenerates Stamina by a large rate when a Shadow skill is used. its got like 4 arrows of regen, that can't be too bad ya? Granted, my build is magika based, so this means i normally don't ever run out of Stam.

Drasn

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

There are no nightblade, DK, templar, or sorc abilities that cost stamina. There are stamina abilities that are available to every class.

DK's have Green Dragon Blood, Battle Roar and Helping Hands.
Templars have Restoring Spirit and Restoring Aura(and morphs)
Nightblades have Focused Attacks, Refreshing Shadows, and Siphoning Strikes.
Sorcs have Unholy Knowledge

Sorcs actually kinda lose on the stamina regen/redux department.

AlexDougherty

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

There are no nightblade, DK, templar, or sorc abilities that cost stamina. There are stamina abilities that are available to every class.

DK's have Green Dragon Blood, Battle Roar and Helping Hands.
Templars have Restoring Spirit and Restoring Aura(and morphs)
Nightblades have Focused Attacks, Refreshing Shadows, and Siphoning Strikes.
Sorcs have Unholy Knowledge

Sorcs actually kinda lose on the stamina regen/redux department.

As I pointed out, Fighter Guild abilities use stamina. The sorc passive just means that you get something back for these too, otherwise we would be complaining that the Fighter Guild abilities are outright wrong for a sorc.

Drasn

AlexDougherty wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

There are no nightblade, DK, templar, or sorc abilities that cost stamina. There are stamina abilities that are available to every class.

DK's have Green Dragon Blood, Battle Roar and Helping Hands.
Templars have Restoring Spirit and Restoring Aura(and morphs)
Nightblades have Focused Attacks, Refreshing Shadows, and Siphoning Strikes.
Sorcs have Unholy Knowledge

Sorcs actually kinda lose on the stamina regen/redux department.

As I pointed out, Fighter Guild abilities use stamina. The sorc passive just means that you get something back for these too, otherwise we would be complaining that the Fighter Guild abilities are outright wrong for a sorc.

I think you missed my point. DW, 2H, SnS, Bow are not class specific either.

PVT_Parts

FunkyBudda wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

Sorc has better passives than other classes?

Try DK, battle roar + corrosive armor = solo Craglorn content

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103435/dk-solos-craglorn

Please show me a Sorc that does that, or the other 2 classes.

Nice try tho, but EPIC FAIL.

I'm sorry, but corrosive armor is an active skill not a passive. This is not about combining an ult and a passive combo, this is about analyzing passives by themselves. Battle Roar is only on activation of an ultimate. So yes, I'm sure there is a way for soloing vet content using an ult and a passive. Don't forget they were probably popping green dragon blood and doing a lot of other DK only things while soloing that dungeon. Also, I watched that video. I thought you had to be more than 3m away from an enemy to use take flight. Maybe I am just wrong since that ult glitched for me a lot, but I am pretty sure you can't use it at point blank range like he did in the video.

moXrox

SeinSchatten wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

As he is winding down on his stories he looks at me and says, 'what the hell? You are a templar? Sorcs rock you stupid newb.'

My 1 year old son said the same.

Iam 1 1/2 and say the same ...

PVT_Parts

Huckdabuck wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

You are right, they are only in my way to see that there is no class balance and that Sorcerers are king. Who says Sorcerers are mostly magic build? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. Who says knights are usually stamina based and not magic as much? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. If you use a sorcerer with a stamina build, you are doing something wrong.

Well thank you for pointing out that all these pesky BE/CS sorcs have a worthless passive that doesn't do them any good whatsoever. Time for all the sorcs to rise up and QQ for Zenimax to replace that unnecessary portion of the passive to something more beneficial (like maybe an increase to both range of BE and damage done by CS. Jesus.

DERPPPPPP!

It isn't a useless passive, it does both magicka and stamina skill cost reduction.

Draaconis

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

You do get that you're giving yourself an ulcer over 5% right?

Huckdabuck

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

You are right, they are only in my way to see that there is no class balance and that Sorcerers are king. Who says Sorcerers are mostly magic build? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. Who says knights are usually stamina based and not magic as much? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. If you use a sorcerer with a stamina build, you are doing something wrong.

Well thank you for pointing out that all these pesky BE/CS sorcs have a worthless passive that doesn't do them any good whatsoever. Time for all the sorcs to rise up and QQ for Zenimax to replace that unnecessary portion of the passive to something more beneficial (like maybe an increase to both range of BE and damage done by CS. Jesus.

DERPPPPPP!

It isn't a useless passive, it does both magicka and stamina skill cost reduction.

See bolded parts above....make sense now?

PVT_Parts

Huckdabuck wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

zgrssd wrote: »

PVT_Parts wrote: »

Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

Coregoal of ESO:
Every class can play every role. A sorc tank can be very effective - two armor/spell res buffs. One of thsoe also meele range aoe damage.
Summons help with DPS and splitting damage further.
Negate Magic is often forgotten to coutner vamps and AoE effects.

PVT_Parts wrote: »

DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

Says who, You?
Sorry, but I can only strongly disagree. How you think sorcs/nb/dk should be played is a lot less relevant then how Zenmax things they should be played.
And frankly I prefer Zenimax ideas to yours by a large margin, because it allwos me much more freedom.


Final words:
Get rid of your asumptions and presumptions about classes and roles. They are only in your way to see the game as it really is.

You are right, they are only in my way to see that there is no class balance and that Sorcerers are king. Who says Sorcerers are mostly magic build? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. Who says knights are usually stamina based and not magic as much? Every. Single. Fantasy. Thing. Ever. If you use a sorcerer with a stamina build, you are doing something wrong.

Well thank you for pointing out that all these pesky BE/CS sorcs have a worthless passive that doesn't do them any good whatsoever. Time for all the sorcs to rise up and QQ for Zenimax to replace that unnecessary portion of the passive to something more beneficial (like maybe an increase to both range of BE and damage done by CS. Jesus.

DERPPPPPP!

It isn't a useless passive, it does both magicka and stamina skill cost reduction.

See bolded parts above....make sense now?

The bolded portion, yes. The first sentence, no.

Drasn

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Their first passive is decrease spell and feat cost by 5%. Why does a sorcerer need a passive to decrease stamina cost of abilities?

I now realize that it wasn't the DKs that abused the shield bash the most, but the sorcerer. Or at least they had the most potential to do it with the decrease cost by 90 enchantments, 50%(pre nerf) decrease in cost, and a further 5% decrease in cost.
Shield bash is just an off topic comment.

My real question is why do they have a single passive that makes stamina cost cheaper? This is the ultimate balanced passive...If every class had it. The DK doesnt have that. NB doesn't have that. Templar doesn't have that. DK and NB have builds that rely on stamina and magicka more so than Sorcerer, so shouldn't they be the ones with this passive, not the class that uses the least stamina abilities.

Sure there are builds for a sorcerer that uses stamina, such as a bow sorc build, but that is much rarer than the all magicka builds.

I know I'm getting to this discussion late. Mainly because I don't theorycraft for a class that I don't play so I didn't look up their passives and abilities. I also didn't play a Sorcerer alt until now. I can see the incredible potential for Sorcerer much more than any other class. They have better passives that encompass more. They have better, more useful set abilities that benefit them more than others. They do an incredible amount of damage and are able to tank with the familiars. They can teleport distances if I am too lazy to get on my horse or walk. Hell, they can even go a stamina build and have a 5% reduction in all stamina costs. Is there anything a sorcerer can't do?

Sorc has better passives than other classes?

Try DK, battle roar + corrosive armor = solo Craglorn content

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/103435/dk-solos-craglorn

Please show me a Sorc that does that, or the other 2 classes.

Nice try tho, but EPIC FAIL.

I'm sorry, but corrosive armor is an active skill not a passive. This is not about combining an ult and a passive combo, this is about analyzing passives by themselves. Battle Roar is only on activation of an ultimate. So yes, I'm sure there is a way for soloing vet content using an ult and a passive. Don't forget they were probably popping green dragon blood and doing a lot of other DK only things while soloing that dungeon. Also, I watched that video. I thought you had to be more than 3m away from an enemy to use take flight. Maybe I am just wrong since that ult glitched for me a lot, but I am pretty sure you can't use it at point blank range like he did in the video.

He is using Corrosive Armor ultimate. I think you may be confusing Dragon Fire Scale with Take Flight.

I know it's off topic... but Take Flight? really... Do DK's even put point in that.