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Today's update for Templars

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( )..... Nothing... Good thing we aren't holding our breath..
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    hehehe , yeah better not hold it mate.

    I will cancel my sub if they dont fix it fast enough , i can resub in a few months , maybe then there will be balance.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • Rhoric
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    Well considering today is not even a server maintenance day. Why would you expect something.
  • Bromburak
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    Because Nox_Aeterna thinks its a privat server. ;)
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    Because Nox_Aeterna thinks its a privat server. ;)

    Nope , because Nox Aeterna thinks it is his money.

    I wont give it to a company that craps over my class for no reason at all.

    Im currently not playing this game at all , thus i have no reason to pay for it.

    Either they fix it and i go back into playing , or i go play other things and come back when i think it is worth it.

    That simple.

    I dont plan on tossing money on zen for nothing in return other than a promise that "someday..."
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • Rhoric
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    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore
    Edited by Rhoric on May 28, 2014 9:42PM
  • NordJitsu
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    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.
    @NordJitsu - Guild Master (Main Character = Hlaalu Idas)
    GREAT HOUSE HLAALU
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?

    Nope , he is not.

    There are videos of DKs like always , solo owning , but now craglorn stuff.

    Try that on a templar hehe :P.

    There is no build which would give you this option. The simple fact is , if you think you are bad on your DK , be damm glad , because if you fall to where the templars stand you will be FAR worse than now.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Is there is a vid of a dk solo and not Destro staff fotm? DKs that arent staff are gimped as all hell
    Edited by Ragnar_Lodbrok on May 28, 2014 8:56PM
  • Syndy
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    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    O, man, good stuff... This guy, Comedic genius...

    Got a good laugh out of this, thanks.

    Syndy - VR14 Breton Templar
    Sacrilege
    Daggerfall Covenant

    Warhammer
    Syndia - 100 Zealot, Syndai - 99 Black Guard, Cyndrana - 84 Sorceress
  • Sakiri
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore

    Uhm... lots of people that dont play anymore still have game time.

    You think it expires the moment you click cancel? Well it doesnt. You prepay for a month, not use a month and get billed.
  • Sakiri
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    If there is a vid of a dk solo owning anything anymore they are likely hacking.

    Lemme guess.. shield bash nerf broke it?

    Most of the OP builds are fire.
  • Ragnar_Lodbrok
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    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    O, man, good stuff... This guy, Comedic genius...

    Got a good laugh out of this, thanks.

    Templars get the most powerful cone aoe of the game, but Im not yelling nerf.
  • Sakiri
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    You still havent explained why dks are weak.
  • Syndy
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    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    O, man, good stuff... This guy, Comedic genius...

    Got a good laugh out of this, thanks.

    Templars get the most powerful cone aoe of the game, but Im not yelling nerf.

    You don't have to, it just got nerfed, and instead of just adding a CD to the ability they messed up and made it a GCD. So you cast it and now you have to twiddle your thumbs for a second and a half before you can do anything else...

    Now they are going to remove the CD and increase the cost... because of all the threads about Biting Jabs being OP.... o wait, there aren't any.
    Syndy - VR14 Breton Templar
    Sacrilege
    Daggerfall Covenant

    Warhammer
    Syndia - 100 Zealot, Syndai - 99 Black Guard, Cyndrana - 84 Sorceress
  • Rhoric
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    Sakiri wrote: »
    Rhoric wrote: »
    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore

    Uhm... lots of people that dont play anymore still have game time.

    You think it expires the moment you click cancel? Well it doesnt. You prepay for a month, not use a month and get billed.

    Did you read. I said if you are not a subscriber and have NO game time. I highlighted the part in my post
  • Bromburak
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    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?

    Nope , he is not.

    There are videos of DKs like always , solo owning , but now craglorn stuff.

    Try that on a templar hehe :P.

    There is no build which would give you this option.

    Not true, you almost can kill everything with templar it just takes forever.
    Edited by Bromburak on May 29, 2014 4:25AM
  • LameoveR
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    There is so much templars in game. It shows, that BEFORE 1.1.2 it was an overpowered class. Now, when one-buttons templars were nerfed, here is so much pain in all topics.
    "Fix our biting jabs"
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?

    Nope , he is not.

    There are videos of DKs like always , solo owning , but now craglorn stuff.

    Try that on a templar hehe :P.

    There is no build which would give you this option.

    Not true, you almost can kill everything with templar it just takes forever.

    Mate , nope , you cant.

    Nobody is saying you cant do the quests being a templar , but try to do the stuff a DK does , and you are dead.

    This game is poorly balanced mate , with some luck they will begin to put some effort into making class more equal sooner rather than later.
    LameoveR wrote: »
    There is so much templars in game. It shows, that BEFORE 1.1.2 it was an overpowered class. Now, when one-buttons templars were nerfed, here is so much pain in all topics.
    "Fix our biting jabs"

    :P yeah right , i wont even bother responding to this one hehehe.
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • Kosar
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    In all honestly, I don't notice any of the problems people are talking about. i'm templar and templar only, maxed in week 3 of release and v12 2 days after craglorn release. i mostly pvp.

    and yes i use biting jabs but there's lots of things you can do in that one second...like block, interupt, dodge, kite...and its literally 1.2 seconds. it hasn't interrupted anything I do whatsoever. but that could be a build or use of character thing I guess...

    like when I'm healing, I may charge and jab at ends of fights to finish an enemy, but the CD isn't affecting that. if i'm tanking in pve, i have to be aware of a lot of other things going on but jab > weapon swap > buff >weapon swap > block > cc is a pretty common rotation, so again, the things happening between jabs and other skills is...1.2 seconds... even in pvp in 1v1 or 2v1 situations, i'm having to do a lot of things to win and survive, so what this leads me to believe is...

    i feel like these complaints about jabs are coming from people 1-49 who are still in the mindset that you spam 1 skill (biting jabs) to be good at templar and that this game is centered around spamming kills and grinding. 1-49 is considerably less time involved than v1-12 in my experience, and peope mad they cannot spam 1 skill to win should seriouly try gw2 where you only need a working "1" key from 1 to infinity in that game. i wildly prefer games where you need multiple skills to win and timing your skills at that. i know to jab and weapon swap while they are dazed for a second so i can buff or heal, then swap and start my attacks again that revolve around 3 CCs, 1 debuff, and then 1 attack (yes jabs). whether its pvp or pve, i couldn't take on 3, 4, 5 enemies by just spamming jabs...that's ridiculous, yet it sounds like every templar with a complaint just wants to do that.

    if the "nerf" affects you (and btw it wasn't an entire 1.2 seconds added, it was .7--it was already .5) i really think you should rethink your strategies before calling us broken...because we aren't.
    Edited by Kosar on May 29, 2014 4:48AM
  • Bromburak
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?

    Nope , he is not.

    There are videos of DKs like always , solo owning , but now craglorn stuff.

    Try that on a templar hehe :P.

    There is no build which would give you this option.

    Not true, you almost can kill everything with templar it just takes forever.

    Mate , nope , you cant.

    Maybe you cant ...

    One of the main problems with the casual player base in TESO.

    If they don't find easy mode to go anytimer builds like casual friendly DKs they are lost in desperation of their own clumsiness.

    As soon it comes to complex synergies and skill settings most players unfortunately will fail. Thats ok, but to be honest that is your problem.

    Regarding the templar, he is not a speed killer but if you want he is last man standing on a long run.

    Something casual rushers are not happy with, because they never have patience.
    I agree, that this class is a bad option for them and not made for you in this case.

    Edited by Bromburak on May 29, 2014 5:04AM
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    Bromburak wrote: »
    NordJitsu wrote: »
    Whats wrong with templars? They didnt get nerfed to uselessness like DK

    @Ragnar_Lodbrok‌

    This is sarcasm right?

    DKs need quite a few nerfs still or else the other classes all need buffs to bring them in line.

    You are kidding right?

    Nope , he is not.

    There are videos of DKs like always , solo owning , but now craglorn stuff.

    Try that on a templar hehe :P.

    There is no build which would give you this option.

    Not true, you almost can kill everything with templar it just takes forever.

    Mate , nope , you cant.

    Maybe you cant ...

    One of the main problems with the casual player base in TESO.

    If they don't find easy mode to go anytimer builds like casual friendly DKs they clumsy. As soon it comes to complex synergies and skill settings most players unfortunately will fail.

    Thats ok, but to be honest that is your problem.

    Regarding the templar, he is not a speed killer but he is last man standing.
    Something casual rushers are not able todo because they never have patience.
    I agree, this class is a bad option for them and not made for you when it comes to solo role in hard content.

    Hehehe , you really dont seen to understand that the Dk can outlast a templar any day of the week also in the certain conditions :P.

    Ok mate , if you think the templars are that great , good for you.

    I do hope to see you soloing group dungeons (and no , i dont mean public ones) on your templar in videos later on :P.

    PS: While you are soloing those vet dungeons , pls also add videos of you soloing the new craglorn dungeons.
    Edited by Nox_Aeterna on May 29, 2014 5:07AM
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
  • Evandus
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    I'd say adjusting Templar damage mitigation upward a notch or two would solve this issue. Coordinating this with adjusting Magma Armor and it's morphs to cap at say 15 or possibly 20% mitigation when activated would even the tables.

    I run both, but neither are into the Vet levels as I'm taking my time and enjoying the 1-50 content. So I can't rightly come from a place of experience there. It does seem to me however playing both that mitigation is the deciding factor between the two.
  • Celurian
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore

    I think ZOS should have that ignorant People who are not affected by nerfs, who makes a whole class completly useless shouldnt be able to post his useless shjt into Topics who nobody really cares about.
    Serioesly. Just defend them more. The servers will get emptier very quick anyway if major issues won't get solved in time. Then you got your Time with your few left friends to play the f2p game properly. Oh wait. You won't find a group for content i guess.

    Oh.. and to those People crying about that DK nerf ? Reroll an Templar. This will possibly give you the reason to quit at the moment.

    By the way. It shortly feld they had removed the internal Cooldown of Biting Jabs. I probably still died in the first 3 Mop trash group which made me just logging off again.
    Edited by Celurian on May 29, 2014 6:16AM
  • Bromburak
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    While you are soloing those vet dungeons , pls also add videos of you soloing the new craglorn dungeons.

    That all those "noobs" would call out a nerf for another class?

    No thank you.
  • Celurian
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    Bromburak wrote: »

    Regarding the templar, he is not a speed killer but if you want he is last man standing on a long run.

    Something casual rushers are not happy with, because they never have patience.
    I agree, that this class is a bad option for them and not made for you in this case.

    I may just quote Dyvith at this time, the raid leader of the 11 minutes trial run, which probably gives a few points here.
    I choosed a templar for beeing a "main heal" and indispensable in a Group. If other classes got even advantages with their Heal spec and have far far less problems in Solo PvE, why should i play a templar then? To die every 3 man Trash Group or barely survice and stress myself without using ultimate at every monster?
    Dyvith wrote:
    Siphoning Strikes restores magicka for every hit. When healing, you should be cycling light attacks between every cast, and as you get better at this, it will make it incredibly easy to do without wasting literally any time in healing output. This keeps your mana up at all times, which means that when you need to bomb heals, you have access to a full mana bar which you can use in order to spam Combat Prayer or Healing Ward.
    In addition, Nightblades can put weapon damage enchants on all of their jewelry which increases healing output for all resto staff abilities. This is the same thing that I do as a Sorc healer. The way that healing works in ESO is that your healing crits are based off of spell crit, and your healing output is based off of weapon damage, so in order to increase healing output, enchant jewelery with weapon damage.
    As far as Templar ultimates go, Nightblades have access to Barrier as well as their damage reduction ultimate (the name escapes me at the moment).
    In my opinion, Templars are actually weaker than most people realize. For any other class, you can focus on increasing weapon damage for increased output, but Templars don't have that luxury because their class heals are based off of spell power, so they need to choose which type of heals they want to focus on improving.
  • Rhoric
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    Celurian wrote: »
    Rhoric wrote: »
    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore

    I think ZOS should have that ignorant People who are not affected by nerfs, who makes a whole class completly useless shouldnt be able to post his useless shjt into Topics who nobody really cares about.
    Serioesly. Just defend them more. The servers will get emptier very quick anyway if major issues won't get solved in time. Then you got your Time with your few left friends to play the f2p game properly. Oh wait. You won't find a group for content i guess.

    Oh.. and to those People crying about that DK nerf ? Reroll an Templar. This will possibly give you the reason to quit at the moment.

    By the way. It shortly feld they had removed the internal Cooldown of Biting Jabs. I probably still died in the first 3 Mop trash group which made me just logging off again.

    Just so you know I play a Templar and I still play the game. A lot of the players in my guild play templars and they are still playing.
  • Celurian
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    Rhoric wrote: »
    Celurian wrote: »
    Rhoric wrote: »
    I think ZOS should have that if you aren't a subscriber and have no game time that you shouldn't be able to post on the forums. That will cut down on most of these pointless topics from people that don't play anymore

    I think ZOS should have that ignorant People who are not affected by nerfs, who makes a whole class completly useless shouldnt be able to post his useless shjt into Topics who nobody really cares about.
    Serioesly. Just defend them more. The servers will get emptier very quick anyway if major issues won't get solved in time. Then you got your Time with your few left friends to play the f2p game properly. Oh wait. You won't find a group for content i guess.

    Oh.. and to those People crying about that DK nerf ? Reroll an Templar. This will possibly give you the reason to quit at the moment.

    By the way. It shortly feld they had removed the internal Cooldown of Biting Jabs. I probably still died in the first 3 Mop trash group which made me just logging off again.

    Just so you know I play a Templar and I still play the game. A lot of the players in my guild play templars and they are still playing.

    ..and have these Templars in the past days (since the Craglorn release) successfully solo Questet on a Vet 10 map without spamming impuls or Vulcanic rune?
    Edited by Celurian on May 29, 2014 6:47AM
  • Nox_Aeterna
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    Bromburak wrote: »
    While you are soloing those vet dungeons , pls also add videos of you soloing the new craglorn dungeons.

    That all those "noobs" would call out a nerf for another class?

    No thank you.

    Well mate , just saying the class is good and that it can do things while tons of other say it cant , wont really cut it.

    Since you wont release a video of your prowess, proving the class can do it against all odds.

    I guess i will have to doubt what you said.

    And thus , i repeat my point which is backed by the current state of things , templars cant really do those things you say it can.
    Edited by Nox_Aeterna on May 29, 2014 6:49AM
    "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
    -Hanlon's razor
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