Hirelings nerfed after 1.1.2-Give SP back please

Sertari

I split my crafting on different chars so one does BS and clothing and another woodworking and enchant. But i took hirelings on all chars. On my level 45 char the hireling only sends me now iron ore. I understand that they might be connected to my crafting level, but I just farmed ebony ore in my actual region on that char. You want to tell me my hireling is just 4 zones behind? If i can farm higher ores independent of my crafting level, why can't my hireling do that? It is just illogical. So if you nerf the hireling you also should nerf the main char. No skill points in bs level - only find iron ore even in vet areas :P . And yes I also will understand all the flames I will receive stating that this mechanic is now right. Believe me, it isnt!

And why don't you give then the skill points back if you change it like you did with abilities?? I really don't need a useless hireling and could use the point in other skill trees.

Meuh

Same here, I only receive iron ore, i am VR12. Pretty lame.

plata

I believe it is because the skill points at Metalworking.

You can farm any ore, but you can't create Ingots unless you have enough points at Metalworking.

It seems logical that the hireling is sending irons because is what you can work with.

your hireling doesn't know what you may want to sell it or trade it.

You may recive a epic or legendary crafting item because you can use it for any level item.

Anyway, I agree with you but i just don't see it happening

Meuh

I only receive iron ore, i am VR12 and level 50 at Metalworking.

Sertari

Well it is also about how they changed it. Abilities got changed and the points reset so you have to put a skillpoint back into it to have it. Why does this not apply to hirelings? So if i want to get rid off the hireling now which is useless I would have to go to a shrine and pay gold for having it removed and get my skillpoint back. I can only think that they did this in an effort to reduce mats the bots get.
But the ones suffer are now the players who invested points in it.

Vanathi

My lvl 16 clothier with three points invested in hireling got three leather scraps yesterday Must be the number three.

avengergbg

Like someone mentioned I got voidstone ores (blacksmith) and shadowhide (clothing) from my hirelings.

It's cuz I have 9/9 points invested to my professions.
The hireligns only send out mats to the level you can craft.

If you can't craft vet12 gear cuz you haven't learned it. You dont get voidstone ores.

Sertari

avengergbg wrote: »

Like someone mentioned I got voidstone ores (blacksmith) and shadowhide (clothing) from my hirelings.

It's cuz I have 9/9 points invested to my professions.
The hireligns only send out mats to the level you can craft.

If you can't craft vet12 gear cuz you haven't learned it. You dont get voidstone ores.

Yes is understandable, but I want my skillpoint back if they changed the mechanics. That's what it is about. They changed abilities and reset it for you but not hirelings.
And i don't see an abuse there. It's only logic if you use then all hireling mats on your BS char. They should have known that before.

redwoodtreesprite

It has always been this way with hirelings. The level of the craft mats you get is based on the points you put into the actual crafting skill. As for the upgrade items and the gems, those seem to be the same chance as before.

This is a big relief to me, as I had been fearing that those would not be turning up as before. For once Zeni did a change that was fair for the players and not a sledgehammer nerf.

However, the points should still be refunded, as it was a big change.

avengergbg

I have read some people did abuse this system and logged on to an alt recieved the mail from their hirelings.
Logged out and logged on to their main with 9/9 points invested and then collected all the contaniers from all characters and they got the best materials even do they recieved some hirelings mats on lower crafting characters.

But yeah they should give back your SP since they did it with many other skills they did mayor change to.

Sertari

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

It has always been this way with hirelings. The level of the craft mats you get is based on the points you put into the actual crafting skill. As for the upgrade items and the gems, those seem to be the same chance as before.

This is a big relief to me, as I had been fearing that those would not be turning up as before. For once Zeni did a change that was fair for the players and not a sledgehammer nerf.

However, the points should still be refunded, as it was a big change.

No that is wrong, before the patch it was according to your char level. I know that because i didn't get iron ore all the time. And yes I don't complain about that they changed it, I just want my skillpoints back.

redwoodtreesprite

Sertari wrote: »

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

It has always been this way with hirelings. The level of the craft mats you get is based on the points you put into the actual crafting skill. As for the upgrade items and the gems, those seem to be the same chance as before.

This is a big relief to me, as I had been fearing that those would not be turning up as before. For once Zeni did a change that was fair for the players and not a sledgehammer nerf.

However, the points should still be refunded, as it was a big change.

No that is wrong, before the patch it was according to your char level. I know that because i didn't get iron ore all the time. And yes I don't complain about that they changed it, I just want my skillpoints back.

That is likely because of who you had chosen to open the boxes. Unless you have no characters with more than basic metal crafting? But how would you be able to make any armor for yourself if that was the case?

murmur

Sertari wrote: »

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

It has always been this way with hirelings. The level of the craft mats you get is based on the points you put into the actual crafting skill. As for the upgrade items and the gems, those seem to be the same chance as before.

This is a big relief to me, as I had been fearing that those would not be turning up as before. For once Zeni did a change that was fair for the players and not a sledgehammer nerf.

However, the points should still be refunded, as it was a big change.

No that is wrong, before the patch it was according to your char level. I know that because i didn't get iron ore all the time. And yes I don't complain about that they changed it, I just want my skillpoints back.

No, it has always been based on points that you have spend on that craft. But because the mail is account wide, you previously could claim that container that your non-skilled crafter received with your high skilled crafter to get higher lvl mats.

shaiten

Vanathi wrote: »

My lvl 16 clothier with three points invested in hireling got three leather scraps yesterday Must be the number three.

You can't have 3 points in hireling at level 16 clothier. The third point doesn't open up till around lvl 32.



Mats that you get are based on the characters skill in that crafting ability.

My main is a Vet 6 and Clothier LVL 50. He gets the highest level of mats from that hireling. He also is a Blacksmith LVL 6 and Woodworker LVL 5 and gets Iron Ore and Maple from them.

I have 2 alts one who is Lvl 6 DragonKnight and a Blacksmith LVL 50 ... he gets the highest level of mats available to smithing.

Sertari

murmur wrote: »

Sertari wrote: »

redwoodtreesprite wrote: »

It has always been this way with hirelings. The level of the craft mats you get is based on the points you put into the actual crafting skill. As for the upgrade items and the gems, those seem to be the same chance as before.

This is a big relief to me, as I had been fearing that those would not be turning up as before. For once Zeni did a change that was fair for the players and not a sledgehammer nerf.

However, the points should still be refunded, as it was a big change.

No that is wrong, before the patch it was according to your char level. I know that because i didn't get iron ore all the time. And yes I don't complain about that they changed it, I just want my skillpoints back.

No, it has always been based on points that you have spend on that craft. But because the mail is account wide, you previously could claim that container that your non-skilled crafter received with your high skilled crafter to get higher lvl mats.

Well ok, that might be the truth, but still the mechanics changed and I want my skill points back then

Fairydragon3

Sertari wrote: »

I split my crafting on different chars so one does BS and clothing and another woodworking and enchant. But i took hirelings on all chars. On my level 45 char the hireling only sends me now iron ore. I understand that they might be connected to my crafting level, but I just farmed ebony ore in my actual region on that char. You want to tell me my hireling is just 4 zones behind? If i can farm higher ores independent of my crafting level, why can't my hireling do that? It is just illogical. So if you nerf the hireling you also should nerf the main char. No skill points in bs level - only find iron ore even in vet areas :P . And yes I also will understand all the flames I will receive stating that this mechanic is now right. Believe me, it isnt!

And why don't you give then the skill points back if you change it like you did with abilities?? I really don't need a useless hireling and could use the point in other skill trees.

logic is useless when it affects balance, I say good that you cant get the good stuff unless you raise your crafting skill for the character, otherwise it would be way to ez to farm materials, which i bet the devs saw as an exploit, before, you could just have a low level with one point in hireling, but have the higher level open it, would give the best materials, an obvious exploit that was stopped

Niliu

Sertari wrote: »

I split my crafting on different chars so one does BS and clothing and another woodworking and enchant. But i took hirelings on all chars. On my level 45 char the hireling only sends me now iron ore. I understand that they might be connected to my crafting level, but I just farmed ebony ore in my actual region on that char. You want to tell me my hireling is just 4 zones behind? If i can farm higher ores independent of my crafting level, why can't my hireling do that? It is just illogical. So if you nerf the hireling you also should nerf the main char. No skill points in bs level - only find iron ore even in vet areas :P . And yes I also will understand all the flames I will receive stating that this mechanic is now right. Believe me, it isnt!

And why don't you give then the skill points back if you change it like you did with abilities?? I really don't need a useless hireling and could use the point in other skill trees.

Hireling worked perfectly on all my characters... Probably because I'm not a farmer and actually use the skill, but hey, to each their own

p_tsakirisb16_ESO

The system was abused before by farmers. Now is working as IT SHOULD BE.

Before you could raise couple of levels on an alt, put the hireling, and you only had to log in every 24 hours to receive the email.

You download the attachment with the character who had spent the most skill points on Metalworking/Tailoring/Woodworking Skill/Potency & Aspect Improvement etc. And you profit by receiving high end ore/wood etc.

HOWEVER.

The new system returns better and more blue-purple improvement mats than before. Even for Level 1 Hireling, the return now is better.

And if you QQ about 10 ore per 24 hours, then seriously you have nothing better to do, but complain like spoiled children.

blauschwinge

The ore you get depends on the primary craftskill points spent (deciding what material you can utilize), so you will only ever receive iron ore if your blacksmithing craftrank is at 1.

If you increase the hireling level your chances to get more trait / race and upgrade mats, and also rarer ones are increasing.

Before the patch I got a good amount of KUTA legendary runes on my main char which I opened all bags with, but only 1/4th of the other legendary mats.
He had an Enchanting Hireling Level of 2 and Zero other Hirelings.

So I can clearly say, that raising a hireling to level 2 is a very big deal when you hope for the golden crafting components.

Before the patch you could profit from opening the bags with a main who might have had high hireling and crafting levels to get rarer and nicer items, now you actually have to level up crafting on your alts to benefit as before.

But getting to Level 12 in a crafting prof by decon of stuff your main made isn't a very big deal.