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I wanted to be paladin, but I ended up a gimped wizard
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When I rolled my templar, I envisioned a heavy-armored paladin type character using a 2H weapon. I got to about level 30 with that and it pretty much became a brick wall, so I respecced to the destro/resto/light armor build that everyone recommended. That has gotten me to VR1 and I think I could probably keep muddling through with it, but it isn't the play style i wanted. I tried going back to 2H/heavy, but it just doesn't work against VR mobs. 2H attacks are too slow and even with heavy armor & all my attr points in health, they burn me down too quick in melee.
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thebigMuh✭✭I'm currently at VR11, Templar with Greatsword, and all Heavy Armor except for cowl and skirt (because of style!). No Destro staff skills, no Mage's Guild skills.
Takes a special kind of crazy to play that, but it is possible.
Ciao, Muh!4 -
Zepheric✭✭✭This paladin concept was introduced in WoW with the retribution tree, I am sorry that this game is not WoW.Sanguine's Tester18 -
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Did you really just say that WoW invented paladins? Astounding.This paladin concept was introduced in WoW with the retribution tree, I am sorry that this game is not WoW.2 -
Zepheric✭✭✭Is it not, name another game that has a utilizable 2h paladin skill tree that came out before and after WoW.Sanguine's Tester5
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Zepheric✭✭✭No I didn't read it more carefully I said "This paladin concept" meaning the 2h wielding glass cannon.Sanguine's Tester2
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Dungeons and Dragons, where WoW based all of their designs.Is it not, name another game that has a utilizable 2h paladin skill tree that came out before and after WoW.
Possibly even EQ after DnD.
Any assortment of games produced, both single player and paper and pen, in the 70's, 80's and 90's.
Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.2 -
indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭Is it not, name another game that has a utilizable 2h paladin skill tree that came out before and after WoW.
Ummm. EQ had Paladins long before WoW, and a great number of them utilized 2h weapons to great benefit. My memory is failing being an old man and all, but I am also pretty sure there were AA trees for such a thing that came out with PoP, but again, I could be mistaken.
Sure, WoW might have expanded on that, but I find it pretty funny how WoW receives too much credit where it is really not deserved.1 -
JosephChip✭✭✭I agree on the fact that heavy armour melee playstyles are simply not good enough when compared to light armour magicka builds. I am on the same boat. I started off as Dragonknight, wanted to create an heavy armour melee knight and ended up a light armour staff mage. Something needs to be improved or changed about the whole magicka build vs malee stamina based.2 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭I can't believe I'm actually wasting the time to argue with you, but nobody said glass cannon. Heavy armor does not imply glass cannon. Perhaps you ought to read more carefully.5 -
Zepheric✭✭✭To be fair the skill level needed for a 2h paladin in EQ is far greater than this game, and would likely make these others cry about difficulty still. Which is the OP's problem.Sanguine's Tester3
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Chrysolis✭✭✭indytims_ESO wrote: »Is it not, name another game that has a utilizable 2h paladin skill tree that came out before and after WoW.
Ummm. EQ had Paladins long before WoW, and a great number of them utilized 2h weapons to great benefit. My memory is failing being an old man and all, but I am also pretty sure there were AA trees for such a thing that came out with PoP, but again, I could be mistaken.
Sure, WoW might have expanded on that, but I find it pretty funny how WoW receives too much credit where it is really not deserved.
I played a Paladin in Everquest; their epic weapon is Fiery Defender - a two-handed sword.2 -
brian.loefflerb14_ESOSoul ShrivenGoin to the OP's post. I also play a 2H wielding Templar, trying to be a Paladin. I wear 4 pieces of heavy and three pieces of Medium for some crit.
Also took skills and passives from the Fighters guild tree for "Turn Undead" and extra damage against undead and Daedra. I have enchants on my gear for magicka and use Javelin and the Aedric spear with an AOE Heal as my ultimate.
at VR1 about to be VR2 and I feel very comfortable with the skills/stats I have chosen. Im not squishy, and do a decent amount of damage.A Lawful Good Templar
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tanthil✭✭✭I thought the whole heavy armor/2hand wielding concept was introduced in the picture/class description you see when creating a templar0 -
Zepheric✭✭✭Glass cannon implies that you have some utilizable skills going into a fight but quickly lose sustained DPS, which has plagued DPS paladins for awhile.
I say WoW because that is more comparable to this game than EQ1 which is frankly 2 generations ago.
But again my point was, this build is not necessarily meant to be easy, and in any MMO (at least for a long time) this build was HARD and meant to be tough to play.
I need to clarify what I said, I don't think WoW invented the paladin I merely meant the concept that you could be a 2h paladin and be successful as another mainstream DPS class is not true in this game (and used to not be true in the other games it originated from)Sanguine's Tester1 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭Again, Zepheric, he never claimed to want to be DPS; that's where your argument is falling apart. I don't think it really is meant to be that hard to play, it' more likely that ZOS just has yet to balance everything correctly.0
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Zepheric✭✭✭My argument falls apart because he failed to specify something that should be fairly obvious?
He didn't say he couldn't tank, he didn't say he couldn't heal he said he couldn't kill things fast enough.
Kill = damage
fast = time
Damage per Second
He is totally talking about DPS.Sanguine's Tester1 -
Glass cannon implies that you have some utilizable skills going into a fight but quickly lose sustained DPS, which has plagued DPS paladins for awhile.
No, glass cannon implies you deal lots of quick burst damage but die just as quick.
Rogues/casters are glass cannons, paladins are not.3 -
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✭Again, Zepheric, he never claimed to want to be DPS; that's where your argument is falling apart. I don't think it really is meant to be that hard to play, it' more likely that ZOS just has yet to balance everything correctly.
I get Zepheric's point, I think. Two-handed classes generally are considered 'damage' classes in other games.
But heavy-armor classes generally aren't considered 'glass cannons', either.
Sadly, in ESO, many of those preconceptions are out the window, as two-handed users seem to have just as much damage output as dual wield and sword and board, and heavy armor wearers seem to have just as much tank as light and medium armor wearers.
If I had decided to try a 'paladin' route, my concept would be sword and board, heavy armor, debuff and group heals/buffs. Templar would 'seem' to be a perfect fit.Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.0 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭I tried going back to 2H/heavy, but it just doesn't work against VR mobs. 2H attacks are too slow and even with heavy armor & all my attr points in health, they burn me down too quick in melee.
"He didn't say he couldn't tank, he didn't say he couldn't heal he said he couldn't kill things fast enough.
Kill = damage
fast = time
Damage per Second
He is totally talking about DPS."
You're projecting Zepheric. He never said that. Stop trying to be "right" all the time and just admit when you've made a mistake, it's more respectable than rambling on about the same false point.
Edited by Chrysolis on May 26, 2014 7:43PM6 -
Zepheric✭✭✭I am not rambling, I made logical points but you are just attacking me personally.
Are you going to counter my logic as to his subject matter pertaining to DPS?Sanguine's Tester1 -
Chrysolis✭✭✭I'm not attacking you personally, I very clearly addressed your point.
This is me now attacking you personally: Your reading comprehension skills need significant improvement.4 -
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✭I'm not attacking you personally, I very clearly addressed your point.
This is me now attacking you personally: Your reading comprehension skills need significant improvement.
Reading comprehension: the other half of the battles the Joe's didn't tell you about!Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.
XBOX NARuze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.
He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.
This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.1 -
I am not rambling, I made logical points but you are just attacking me personally.
Are you going to counter my logic as to his subject matter pertaining to DPS?
I will.When I rolled my templar, I envisioned a heavy-armored paladin type character using a 2H weapon. I got to about level 30 with that and it pretty much became a brick wall, so I respecced to the destro/resto/light armor build that everyone recommended. That has gotten me to VR1 and I think I could probably keep muddling through with it, but it isn't the play style i wanted. I tried going back to 2H/heavy, but it just doesn't work against VR mobs. 2H attacks are too slow and even with heavy armor & all my attr points in health, they burn me down too quick in melee.
health + armour = dps? never.
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Zepheric✭✭✭Lets break this down
My first post = all over the place
Your first posts = attacking my post and ignorance
Then I clarified that I was talking about 2h Paladins which are classically DPS paladins where a tank or even a healer would have sword/mace and board.
You know this.
I called paladins glass cannons because historically they have a lot of burst DPS and not much after that.
It seems however that terminology is wrong so let me retract that statement and replace it with WET NOODLE.
The OP also clearly mentioned the fact that his weapon is slow, and when you weapon is slow you don't do much damage.
Seems a large part of this problem is damage, but thats not the only problem.
He was concerned about his survivability, which the heavy armor should give him.
So there, I admit I made a mistake.
You attacked me personally.
Sanguine's Tester3
