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Tired of CP leveling
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Grimlok_S✭✭✭✭✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.Light Attack Hero
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ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.0 -
mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp9 -
ClawOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
They can't. There's no proof just hyperbole.6 -
Foolebuilt_33✭✭✭The only thing they said on stream was that they were able to clear the content at 1200cp no one said anything about 0 cp (which btw i still highly doubt the dev team cleared the content)6
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Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just relax and enjoy the game. One of the reasons of CP is to give players a long-term goal. CP are meant to be earned over the course of your ESO playthrough, not overnight...
would it be fair to say that an player that has all base game 100% and all dlc's 83% done with over 15k hrs play time be over 1/3rd of the CP goal that is 3600 ?0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭I started a character on PC NA on 26th March 2020, just at the start of Jester's festival, and I played casually, a bit every day, ever since. In about a week he was level 50 CP 160, by early November he reached CP810, he's CP900 now.
I completed all overland content, all dungeons on veteran with about a half of DLC ones on hard mode, vAA and vHRC and the other trials on normal, vMA and vVH - those I run once when they're weekly to get on the leaderboard and slowly farm the weapons.
I play a couple of random BGs every day to burn off the illumination, do the writs, maybe do some event related quests, on average 30-60 minutes or so a day. Still I managed to get all PvP kill related achievements, most of the BG achievements and AR 25 (Colonel).
I have 3 full sets of gold gear - tank / DD / PvP and I'm sitting on about 21m gold and 8m worth of materials, with around 1m in motifs, gold jewelry etc. I don't worry about reaching 3600 CP, since it's almost irrelevant.
You can do all content listed above with 5-600 CP tops now, and even more so after the rework since the base stats are increased and the CP has a relatively lower power than now. Even now there are plenty of CP 810+ players who don't know anything and struggle to kill even overland trash mobs.
So IMO the game is not hard and you shouldn't aim for max CP or perfect gear overnight, but to play better.
im with you on alot of this but one thing we VET players have over NEW players that well always be the same is knowledge of the game no matter what CP we are and that matters had we not already played on other part of account for or platform in my case , starting over wouldn't been so easy , but one thing it has shown me was that CP under CP1.0 aint hard to gain so WHY THE NEED TO CHANGE IT JUST OPEN IT UP AND LET US MOVE ON HELL WITH NEW SYSTEM ITS NO REAL BIG IMPROVEMENT ANYHOW1 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
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1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something
How can you seriously think this is a problem?
A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600
Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?
Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...
Let's pretend that is true. Let's pretend that the developers have not said over and over that there will not be a reduction in what you are able to do in the game before and after cp 2.0. Let's pretend that they are not increasing base stats to compensate for the reduction of power in the cp tree. What content are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600?
As it stands two of my builds are getting hit hard my bow/bow and my magsorc both of i can solo NDSA on atm under new system ill never be able too as to get the power i need more slots as 4 per tree kills off some builds that do more then one roleEdited by Nordic__Knights on 13 February 2021 23:330 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Massacre_Wurm wrote: »There is no reason to grind to 3600 CP. You can do everything in this game with a few hundred CP at most. That said, i think they should drop a 0 from the CP levels and make each level cost 10X more but provide 10X the benefit. 360CP max is a lot less daunting than 3600. Especially considering the much steeper XP increases between levels in other games.
Go do Godslayer or Gryphon Heart with cp200.
So no, you can not do EVERYTHING in this game at low cp. Even vet dlc dungeons have a cp cap for a reason.
We will still need max level in cp 2.0 if we want to reach the full potential.
NefasQ made a character on EU and managed to get Gryphon Heart at CP300. Because he knows how to play. Which is way more important than CP. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/528668/cp-308-tank-gryphon-heart-hm-speed-run-no-death
Yeah. But rest of the group ( except 2 people ) was max cp. So what is your point ?
that an 308 tank can be carried lol0 -
ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.0 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
The thing is clearing vcr is not the same as clearing vcr +3. Clearing vcr would pass for "we cleared content" but would not match what is really excpected. I would bet the test team just ran every trial on vet and called it good instead of doing the hms for a check like this. Phrasing is very important.4 -
ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
The thing is clearing vcr is not the same as clearing vcr +3. Clearing vcr would pass for "we cleared content" but would not match what is really excpected. I would bet the test team just ran every trial on vet and called it good instead of doing the hms for a check like this. Phrasing is very important.
If they can do it with 0 CP. Shouldn't HM be doable with 810 CP? That seems pretty logical.0 -
IonicKai✭✭✭✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
The thing is clearing vcr is not the same as clearing vcr +3. Clearing vcr would pass for "we cleared content" but would not match what is really excpected. I would bet the test team just ran every trial on vet and called it good instead of doing the hms for a check like this. Phrasing is very important.
If they can do it with 0 CP. Shouldn't HM be doable with 810 CP? That seems pretty logical.
It all depends on what you get at 810 CP for passives and actives under the new cp. Also hms are significantly more difficult than non hms in most cases. vHoF and crags aside it's often a totally different level of fight. There are significantly more players that can fumble there way through a vCR then those that have successfully completed vCR+3.
CP doesn't equal you can do content and I think a big concern many veteran players have is not around CP but around what CP is needed to be able to push content they are in now. For example is godslayer still going to be possible without addons and if so at what CP will you have the necessary setup for it. If the answer is 2k CP that's absurd considering most players that have been pouring in hours upon hours pushing content are actually only CP 1100-1400. That would mean that just to jump back into content they are already doing they have to go do a silly grind like killing zombies for hours on end (because only stupid activities like that equal efficient XP when compared to actually doing content like dungeons trials etc...) just to do what they are already pushing and capable of right now in the current system. It's a potential artificial inflation and hamster wheel grind because they finally decided to release a system. Even then the issue isn't that we might have to grind it's an issue of it being potentially weeks to months just to get back to a competitive state.
I'm fully aware content should still be completable. Even hms are probably doable at near where many long time veteran players are but a patch drop shouldn't set you back months because it was poorly thought out. I appreciate that ZOS made a move in the right direction by lowering the entry point to get the passives completed as that is huge for combat power but it's still a potentially daunting amount of levels required just to get back to content people have been in and working for potentially a fairly long time.1 -
mobicera✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
That isn't really proof
Just believe me doesn't work for me, it never will.
10s dev comment isn't proof either.
I stand by the statement the best players failed at vmol with 0, ergo you can't compete with 0.
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✭I keep hearing devs say the cp changes are about choice. If they truley wanted players to have a choice, they'd let us put all our cp into one tree, should we chose to. Let me choose between mitigation and being a glass cannon. At least then, I could still be competitive from a damage stand
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ThorianB✭✭✭✭✭
✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
That isn't really proof
Just believe me doesn't work for me, it never will.
10s dev comment isn't proof either.
I stand by the statement the best players failed at vmol with 0, ergo you can't compete with 0.
I didn't find the video clip because i already know that no matter how much proof you are shown it will never be enough because your mind is already made up and nothing will change it. Therefore it would be a complete waste of my time to hunt for the "proof". I made the right choice, as you have proven with this statement.0 -
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✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
That isn't really proof
Just believe me doesn't work for me, it never will.
10s dev comment isn't proof either.
I stand by the statement the best players failed at vmol with 0, ergo you can't compete with 0.
I didn't find the video clip because i already know that no matter how much proof you are shown it will never be enough because your mind is already made up and nothing will change it. Therefore it would be a complete waste of my time to hunt for the "proof". I made the right choice, as you have proven with this statement.
Incorrect
That is an attempt to disregard the very real problem with believe me because I said so.
If you provide proof I will concede.
You aren't providing anything but because I said so.
Doubt everything...
If you have proof provide it, otherwise why should anyone believe anything you state?
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stefj68✭✭✭✭✭Nchuleftingth wrote: »Honestly it seems like a very simple fix would be allowing you to spend points into trees at your choice and leisure, and not force you to put points into trees that will be 100% useless for your playstyle just so you can progress? Honestly it's contrived so you have to grind longer to get the stars you actually want.
i feel bad that 1/3 goes into green tree, and after a certain point i won't want more red champions points also
i prefer 3 simple constellation, defensive/offensive/restoration(healing and stats recovery)
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crjs1✭✭✭✭✭While there is no need to have max CP to be ‘competitive’, perception is really important, especially for new players.
Unless they system is explained in game well - unlike current CP system - it’s going to be really off putting. 3000+ to max just seems ridiculous. I have been playing casually with some breaks since about a year after launch and I’m only 700 or so CP. I mainly quest etc and do dungeons but even though I know max CP is not needed, just the thought of the cap rising so far is an absolute motivation killer.. if I was just stating the game it would be a big downer.
And for people saying it will make no difference, that just not true. I have only recently started doing trials and vet dungeons and there is HUGE gamekeeping by guilds (and pugs) for people who aren’t max CP or geared ‘correctly’. The amount of time trying to put a group together without being immediately blocked, thrown out because your not max cp, just doesn’t make it worth it. Trials are even worse.. Skill is much more important than CP but try telling the majority of the player base that! it really really just adds to the gulf between casual players and endgamers. it is obvious that any he’s cap will be used in the same way.
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AlexanderDeLarge✭✭✭✭✭
✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Well 10 years is not true.. You basically shot any hope of your friend playing in the foot.
Best case scenario it's 3-5 years.
Worst case scenario it's a decade.
One of the most common complaints against The Elder Scrolls Online next to animation cancelling is the CP progression and I'm sure they've lost many potential players as a result of that. ZOS is shooting themselves in the foot with such a brain-dead endgame mechanic.Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 11 years. 8 paid expansions. 29 dungeon and zone DLCs. 45 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. Just because Cadwell Silver&Gold failed doesn't mean the game should be brain dead easy forever.
"ESO doesn't need a harder overland" on YouTube for a video of a naked level 3 character w/ no CP allocated AFKing in front of a bear for a minute and a half before dying if you don't believe me change is needed.6 -
FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
Some of the top players tried to do vmol hm with 0 cp, my understanding is that they failed and required 300 cp to clear.
Vmol is very old content...
So no I'm sorry if some of the best trial players in this game cant clear one of the easiest vdlc hardmode then no, no I'm afraid we can't clear content without cp.We could clear PvE content before CP was introduced, we can PvP without CP active. That isn't changing.
So... progression bad?
Furthermore we would not be able to clear the PvE content that was introduced after CP was introduced without CP.
I'm just not sure what point are you trying to make.
Pretty sure ZoS has a test team that completes HM content with 0 CP.
With the max stat and %mit from CP being transferred directly to the character @ level 50 it should be even easier.
People are acting like the sky is falling because the max level power cap is shifting and now they're suddenly miles behind.
Everyone is miles behind, equally. No guild is at 3600, and no one will expect you to be 3600 to join pug content.
As for the new player experience, NoCP Cyro and NoCP IC are both excellent choices for new players.
The internal team did clear with O CP. The problem is the vet players that always clear this stuff rely heavily on their CP and DPS output to do clears, so when that is stripped from them, they struggle. I guess it would be a case of relearning 2 play. They did say they wanted more challenging content. Now it's to hard. You just can't make this crowd happy.
Please provide proof of internal team clear with 0 cp
If you want proof it is buried in literally hours of dev footage that i watched. I don't know where it was and it was literally a 5 or 10 second clip in several hours of video content with Matt, Rich, and several members of the development team. By all means if you want to search for it start watching some official videos. They mentioned an internal team cleared all content without CP, IIRC or it might have been with current CP but i am like 90% sure it was without CP. They didn't make a huge deal out of it. It was something to the effect of...
"...and don't worry guys, we have been testing the CP changes internally quite a bit and our team was able to clear all current content without CP. So you will still be able to do all the content that you do on live, when CP 2.0 goes live."
Then moved on to the next subject. The reason they were discussing without CP is because they made some changes to resources pools because you don't get resource increases with CP levels like you did in CP1.0. That is one reason they were testing without CP is because they were testing the resource pool adjustments without having the added bonuses from the CP system to help them progress.
That isn't really proof
Just believe me doesn't work for me, it never will.
10s dev comment isn't proof either.
I stand by the statement the best players failed at vmol with 0, ergo you can't compete with 0.
I didn't find the video clip because i already know that no matter how much proof you are shown it will never be enough because your mind is already made up and nothing will change it. Therefore it would be a complete waste of my time to hunt for the "proof". I made the right choice, as you have proven with this statement.
Incorrect
That is an attempt to disregard the very real problem with believe me because I said so.
If you provide proof I will concede.
You aren't providing anything but because I said so.
Doubt everything...
If you have proof provide it, otherwise why should anyone believe anything you state?
Nirn is flat.
Trust me bro, a Dremora told me so.Edited by FangOfTheTwoMoons on 15 February 2021 05:410 -
Banetek✭✭✭If you want to ruin the game than keep handing stuff out and giving easy mode for everything. I was a power player, I am a casual. Ive played the same character since launch with a 5 year break in-between. I'm about 710 cp lvl.
I took a break from SWTOR for about 3 years, came back and noticed how everything was changed to easy mode. I quit, came back to ESO and found the same thing happening here.
While I agree casual friendly is a good thing because our money is just as good as power players + we use less server resources, still, all this easy mode stuff is going to make people leave for another mmo and another challenge.
These mythic items are a great thing, a lot of work and e-begging guildmates for help for some of the harder parts was worth it, please don't ruin those items.
The daily rewards are great, the gold handout is fair , the lowering of gold tempurs for refining stuff is a little too harsh but over all things seem ok.
The idea of companions is great, I totally get a small nerf to dmg is good to compensate for a companion dmg. Its going to open a who new level of play and I think people will really like it. Please put lots of choices in and later down the road romance options will be great and keep the rpers happy.
Thank you eso, im happy to be back and look forward to the exciting changes ahead.0 -
master_vanargand✭✭✭✭✭
✭Significantly reducing the EXP required for CP is good for players starting the game after the update.
But older players will be dissatisfied as they will lose a lot of EXP earned.
Ideally, the CP should be converted by the acquired EXP.
If that is difficult, so please hold an EXP double event for 1 year.
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Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »Significantly reducing the EXP required for CP is good for players starting the game after the update.
But older players will be dissatisfied as they will lose a lot of EXP earned.
Ideally, the CP should be converted by the acquired EXP.
If that is difficult, so please hold an EXP double event for 1 year.
When the CP cap was raised in the past the gained XP wasn't considered retroactively so I don't see why it should be now.Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor
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41,000+ Achievement Points before High IsleMember of:
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Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
Valinor Overflow: Trader
The Traveling Merchant: Silver
Characters:
Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |
Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭master_vanargand wrote: »How many years do you want to do CP leveling?
Leveling is the cause of the decline of MMO.
I try invite my friends in this game.
A friend said. "How long does it take to reach the maximum level?"
I answered honestly. "It may take 10 years."
A friend said. "Oh my god..."
Many people don't want to climb life-destroying mountains.
Why don't MMO creators understand?
I am in despair.
Man I am right with you in 2025.0 -
ZOS_IcymodGreetings,
We have closed this topic as it was originally created in February 2021. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.
Thank you for your understanding.0
This discussion has been closed.