Tired of CP leveling

mobicera · February 2021

Asardes wrote: »

I started a character on PC NA on 26th March 2020, just at the start of Jester's festival, and I played casually, a bit every day, ever since. In about a week he was level 50 CP 160, by early November he reached CP810, he's CP900 now.

I completed all overland content, all dungeons on veteran with about a half of DLC ones on hard mode, vAA and vHRC and the other trials on normal, vMA and vVH - those I run once when they're weekly to get on the leaderboard and slowly farm the weapons.

I play a couple of random BGs every day to burn off the illumination, do the writs, maybe do some event related quests, on average 30-60 minutes or so a day. Still I managed to get all PvP kill related achievements, most of the BG achievements and AR 25 (Colonel).

I have 3 full sets of gold gear - tank / DD / PvP and I'm sitting on about 21m gold and 8m worth of materials, with around 1m in motifs, gold jewelry etc. I don't worry about reaching 3600 CP, since it's almost irrelevant.

You can do all content listed above with 5-600 CP tops now, and even more so after the rework since the base stats are increased and the CP has a relatively lower power than now. Even now there are plenty of CP 810+ players who don't know anything and struggle to kill even overland trash mobs.

So IMO the game is not hard and you shouldn't aim for max CP or perfect gear overnight, but to play better.

Yes play better as your progression.
Now then what is the purpose of near endless xp grind?

Asardes · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Asardes wrote: »

I started a character on PC NA on 26th March 2020, just at the start of Jester's festival, and I played casually, a bit every day, ever since. In about a week he was level 50 CP 160, by early November he reached CP810, he's CP900 now.

I completed all overland content, all dungeons on veteran with about a half of DLC ones on hard mode, vAA and vHRC and the other trials on normal, vMA and vVH - those I run once when they're weekly to get on the leaderboard and slowly farm the weapons.

I play a couple of random BGs every day to burn off the illumination, do the writs, maybe do some event related quests, on average 30-60 minutes or so a day. Still I managed to get all PvP kill related achievements, most of the BG achievements and AR 25 (Colonel).

I have 3 full sets of gold gear - tank / DD / PvP and I'm sitting on about 21m gold and 8m worth of materials, with around 1m in motifs, gold jewelry etc. I don't worry about reaching 3600 CP, since it's almost irrelevant.

You can do all content listed above with 5-600 CP tops now, and even more so after the rework since the base stats are increased and the CP has a relatively lower power than now. Even now there are plenty of CP 810+ players who don't know anything and struggle to kill even overland trash mobs.

So IMO the game is not hard and you shouldn't aim for max CP or perfect gear overnight, but to play better.

Yes play better as your progression.
Now then what is the purpose of near endless xp grind?

I consider it a side show. I mean I'm glad when I earn CP but I don't fret about it too much. I don't particularly like the system. It would have made more sense to have a per character system of buffs that unlocked as you unlocked various player skill based achievements, rather than something account based that is just raw effort based. As I said I've seen many players who grinded CP on purpose but they are still as bad as any noob at the game

Mayrael · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Stop saying its not required, to some people it really will be.
Those will create the need in pvp and pve.
It's not hard to comprehend.
This change alienates a good deal of long term players.
As well as anyone who doesn't get enjoyment from activities that reward high xp.

Once again have you tested it? I did and I play 90% of a time in PvP, its not required. Around 1600-1700 you will be out of options when it goes to combat related stars because you will have to pick between slotables anyway.

mobicera · February 2021

Mayrael wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Stop saying its not required, to some people it really will be.
Those will create the need in pvp and pve.
It's not hard to comprehend.
This change alienates a good deal of long term players.
As well as anyone who doesn't get enjoyment from activities that reward high xp.

Once again have you tested it? I did and I play 90% of a time in PvP, its not required. Around 1600-1700 you will be out of options when it goes to combat related stars because you will have to pick between slotables anyway.

Personally no ps4 doesn't have pts, pts is bugged anyways so really no one has properly tested it.
However again you missed the point.
Based on looking at the stars its closer to around 2300 to stop getting combat related boosts.
Meaning cp should be removed entirely from pvp or it is just an insane xp grind.
Even if the bonuses given after 1800(which again is more than I have in almost 6 years of play time) amount to 3% you will require that 3%to stay competitive.
Now expecting people to farm 1600 cp to do vet trials when most I encounter are around 1000cp, how do you think that will help?
Do you feel its just irrelevant?
Because you enjoy a grind?

Adremal · February 2021

Might just be me, but the only part I didn't enjoy about CP leveling was from level 50 to level 50/160 and it was a breeze. It's not like I was in a rush to do all the dungeons immediately (160 to 300 CP isn't daunting either anyway) and you can do pretty much everything starting from 300, just run vets with guilds who are helpful and take their time to do progression runs with newbies (or just boost them through them, but it's better to avoid that because then you'd end up clueless if PuG comes to shoves or in solo vet arenas.
...I said "I didn't enjoy", but what I should've said is "I noticed", because the "grinding" to 810+... not noticeable. Just play the game and CPs will come, sure they provide (less and less) more power but they're not something mandatory.

Lumsdenml · February 2021

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

mobicera · February 2021

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

Lumsdenml · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1100ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

mobicera · February 2021

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600
No one will let you join a trials team for vet hm vdlc at 0 cp
Hell even top groups couldn't clear vmol hm with 0 they used 300

Lumsdenml · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

mobicera · February 2021

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...

LarsS · February 2021

If you check your char on pts you will see that you wont need more than around 1500 cp to max out.
1. there is a big base buff, which you recive at level 50
2. you can only have 4 active stars.

mobicera · February 2021

LarsS wrote: »

If you check your char on pts you will see that you wont need more than around 1500 cp to max out.
1. there is a big base buff, which you recive at level 50
2. you can only have 4 active stars.

Around 2400 cp for all combat related passives actually.
Sorry

Lumsdenml · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...

Let's pretend that is true. Let's pretend that the developers have not said over and over that there will not be a reduction in what you are able to do in the game before and after cp 2.0. Let's pretend that they are not increasing base stats to compensate for the reduction of power in the cp tree. What content are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600?

mobicera · February 2021

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...

Let's pretend that is true. Let's pretend that the developers have not said over and over that there will not be a reduction in what you are able to do in the game before and after cp 2.0. Let's pretend that they are not increasing base stats to compensate for the reduction of power in the cp tree. What content are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600?

Ok you got caught up when I said max level.
Fine its closer to around 2400 to max out all combat related passives.
So 2400 for anything competitive combat related.
I can say 2+2=5 but this doesn't make it true.
Looking at the cp system its quite easy to see its nothing but vertical progression up until about 2400

LarsS · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

If you check your char on pts you will see that you wont need more than around 1500 cp to max out.
1. there is a big base buff, which you recive at level 50
2. you can only have 4 active stars.

Around 2400 cp for all combat related passives actually.
Sorry

No you dont need all passives, to build a a good char, some are magica, some are for stam, some are dd some are heal you dont need all passives for a viable build.

mobicera · February 2021

LarsS wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

LarsS wrote: »

If you check your char on pts you will see that you wont need more than around 1500 cp to max out.
1. there is a big base buff, which you recive at level 50
2. you can only have 4 active stars.

Around 2400 cp for all combat related passives actually.
Sorry

No you dont need all passives, to build a a good char, some are magica, some are for stam, some are dd some are heal you dont need all passives for a viable build.

You do when the ones useful to you are locked behind spending points in things useless to you

Asardes · February 2021

If you have more than about 1700 CP the only thing you gain is less frequent resets since you have more slottable stars filled you can switch around. For example do stamina DPS and tank on the same character without shifting anything than gear, mundus, buff food and CP stars.

McGordon · February 2021

ESO problem is not grind. For me they could put max cp to what ever they want, problem is somewhere else. Everyone stress here to reach max level and can't truly enjoy game untill they were close to 810cp is, difference between 500cp and 810cp for example is huge. In CP Cyrodill no point to play, even with 810cp its broken.
Pve same thing, u just hit way too low. If you dont have friends that can carry u and u play with randoms u will just not be useful.
ESO problem has always been u are gaining things and u never lose anything. CP system needes to be always with penalties: u gain damage but lose healing, or armor. Same thing with armors.

ApoAlaia · February 2021

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...

Let's pretend that is true. Let's pretend that the developers have not said over and over that there will not be a reduction in what you are able to do in the game before and after cp 2.0. Let's pretend that they are not increasing base stats to compensate for the reduction of power in the cp tree. What content are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600?

Let's not pretend that 'there will not be a reduction in what you are able to do in the game before and after cp 2.0' is not like when Obi Wan told Luke that Darth Vader killed his father.

You know, true 'from a certain point of view'.

A statement like 'you will notice no detrimental effects in your performance while tackling the content you are tackling now and you will still be able to keep quality of life passives along with combat oriented ones with no further CP requirement' would be something a bit more reliable.

As it stands all I read is 'the content in the game is not CP gated and it will remain that way after the CP rework therefore you will still be able to access the same content.'

Kidgangster101 · February 2021

Scardan wrote: »

master_vanargand wrote: »

How many years do you want to do CP leveling?
Leveling is the cause of the decline of MMO.

I try invite my friends in this game.
A friend said. "How long does it take to reach the maximum level?"
I answered honestly. "It may take 10 years."
A friend said. "Oh my god..."

Many people don't want to climb life-destroying mountains.
Why don't MMO creators understand?
I am in despair.

Just dont misinform your friends then :P. Max lvl is 50 and your friends can reach it in a couple of weeks. CP is a bonus after reaching max level. It is different system then character leveling. But when they ask about getting to max CP, then you can scare them with 10 years, which I do not believe to be true. 2 years maybe .

Lol if it is only 2 years to reach 3600 why don't we have more than a handful of players reaching it 5+ years I to the game? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

And it is entirely true that it is daunting for a new player to reach "max level" to find out they need to grind out another "max level". Yes you can complete a lot of things at 160-400 cp but usually you need to know someone for harder content. A lot and I mean a lot of people only want "max level" players to be in their group because somehow that makes the content "easier" because "they have more experience playing this game" even though all cp means is you know how to grind mobs over and over and over rather than doing hard content.

And the more cp allowed kills pvp for any new player. They can do bg or go into a lot of dead non cp campaigns. So you essentially gate lock a player from pvp because if they go against a "max level" player it shows the difference in a big way.

It was hard enough when new players joining to get to 810...... Now you te them it can be up to 3600......... You know your game dies when new players see this and quit right? Lol 😂😂😂😂😂

Asardes · February 2021

CP PvP has terrible balance now I don't expect it to improve with so many healing focused stars, even now it's basically super-tanky players which are almost impossible to kill unless you're like 3v1, add 1k weapon/spell damage, even higher stats and the healing stars I mentioned and things will be even worse. I remember when BGs had CP and deathmatch was like 60/75/90 after 15 minutes. I hate that so although I have 2320 CP as of today I play no-CP exclusively: BGs (which reverted to no-CP) and no-CP 30 days Cyrodiil campaign; so do many other high CP players, for the same reasons.

Mayrael · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Stop saying its not required, to some people it really will be.
Those will create the need in pvp and pve.
It's not hard to comprehend.
This change alienates a good deal of long term players.
As well as anyone who doesn't get enjoyment from activities that reward high xp.

Once again have you tested it? I did and I play 90% of a time in PvP, its not required. Around 1600-1700 you will be out of options when it goes to combat related stars because you will have to pick between slotables anyway.

Personally no ps4 doesn't have pts, pts is bugged anyways so really no one has properly tested it.
However again you missed the point.
Based on looking at the stars its closer to around 2300 to stop getting combat related boosts.
Meaning cp should be removed entirely from pvp or it is just an insane xp grind.
Even if the bonuses given after 1800(which again is more than I have in almost 6 years of play time) amount to 3% you will require that 3%to stay competitive.
Now expecting people to farm 1600 cp to do vet trials when most I encounter are around 1000cp, how do you think that will help?
Do you feel its just irrelevant?
Because you enjoy a grind?

Nope. I've checked it on PTS, created a build that I'd like to use, I'm missing something around 70 CPs to get all passives and 4 slotables from blue tree. From red tree I'm even above what I need. Green have just few semi-combat related stars, though it's most expensive tree.

The only issue you could have is swapping builds which will require to respect CPs but you have to do it anyway on live so I see no problem. These are facts. Keep calm.

ThorianB · February 2021

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

Hold on... people are complaining about grinding in an MMO?

Yes, yes we are.
When it takes years to hit level cap there is a problem.
No one should be expected to grind zombies for a year just to pvp or do trials.
How can people seriously not see this as a problem?

1. It's is an mmo and grinding is part of it . Your character should not be max level in a week. Some things you have to work for.
2. All things can be done in the game with zero CP. You can do trials.
3. I am Cp 1400ish and now my cp i earn actually does something

How can you seriously think this is a problem?

A week is very different than 3 years
I am not asking for a week I have been playing for 5 years I am no where near 3600

Why is it necessary to reach max cp? What are you missing out on that you can not do until you get to 3600? What is being taken away from you?

Umm you realize the cp system is actually a nerf right?
You have been reduced in power...

But you need none of that power to do the content the game currently provides. It also appears they reinstated the soft cap and when we are done testing they might even reinstate not allowing you to use above the soft cap. They may just open up the upper levels that people have so they can test more stars and test with having more stars. But even if they didn't having 1000 CP less than someone else should not break you in combat. It shouldn't be getting you rejected from groups or killed in PVP.

Pallio · February 2021

At least they nerfed dps, so we can enjoy the grind even longer.

Sahidom · February 2021

I have played with the new CP 2.0 system and there is a definite down scaling of power.

You may find the item sets choices slightly more important since current CP allocations often allowed you to compensate with the CP 1.0 system; the new one is quite different where the passive slots creates more valuation on the variable variances that CP offers.

Guilds and player communities who self-declare you must have X number of Champion Points will be the groups that make more difficult than necessary for new players to get involved in guild dungeon or trial activities.

The baseline changes alone helps new players before getting into other CP choices e.g. +1300 resource (50 cp) or +130 WD/SD (50 cp) ... Do you see the slight differences here? You could take the CP 2.0 node costs per stage and rank all the item sets in-game by CP value to find the best sets. So new players can work the math and still build a character competitive against any veteran player; and that's a good thing because the scatter chart on parses will be closer in scope under the CP 2.0 system - hence, new players with practice can pull similar numbers as one whose done it for years.

So, the OP, I'd still invite your friend. CP naturally flows to you when you play game content.

Matchimus · February 2021

Give it to me now as I am not interested in the journey?

tim99 · February 2021

coming soon: CP-Crown Packs
...and everyone will be happy

rrimöykk · February 2021

ThorianB wrote: »

There is no reason to grind to 3600 CP. You can do everything in this game with a few hundred CP at most. That said, i think they should drop a 0 from the CP levels and make each level cost 10X more but provide 10X the benefit. 360CP max is a lot less daunting than 3600. Especially considering the much steeper XP increases between levels in other games.

Go do Godslayer or Gryphon Heart with cp200.

So no, you can not do EVERYTHING in this game at low cp. Even vet dlc dungeons have a cp cap for a reason.

We will still need max level in cp 2.0 if we want to reach the full potential.

Rkindaleft · February 2021

Honestly it seems like a very simple fix would be allowing you to spend points into trees at your choice and leisure, and not force you to put points into trees that will be 100% useless for your playstyle just so you can progress? Honestly it's contrived so you have to grind longer to get the stars you actually want.