Battlegrounds Solo queuing only

mikeb16_ESO77 · February 2020

Zarpenx wrote: »

mikeb16_ESO77 wrote: »

Zarpenx wrote: »

Seeing some of the comments makes me wonder if they've ever played BG solo . It's not that 'we don't want friends playing and having fun together', it's the fact that games are extremely unfair and onesided when there's a premade involved. Try waiting 5 minutes to get into a match just to get run over by a 4man who can't be killed. It's simply not healthy . BUT STILL, they could've at least made a separate queue for those who only wants to play with friends.

If you read the entire PTS thread you would see that most of the complaints are from those who play this game with someone be it husband/wife or friend. I wouldnt play this game if I wasnt playing with my wife and BGs are what we enjoy the most. We are hardly hardcore players and only ever duo. I would rather be stomped by premades most of the time then not get the chance to play together. Most who fail to see whats wrong with this change thinks this is a solo vs 4-man only thing. Its really not. If the PTS feedback showed anything Its how prevalent duos are.

ofc not, That's why I'm suggesting premades to get their own queue instead of completely removing that option from the game. Also, just because we're not always against premades > doesn't mean they aren't a problem . Let's not act like they made this change for no reason at all Lol.

Of course not, most are asking for the same thing. Seperate queues. Its the solo ONLY thats causing the outrage.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · February 2020

"We may be brothers...but when we are inside the arena...there can be only one."

TequilaFire · February 2020

I'll say it again.
If there is not enough population for a solo and a group queue something is wrong with Battleground incentives to start with.

Commancho · February 2020

mikeb16_ESO77 wrote: »

Alot of duos and other groups wont even queue now so you cant count on those to continue in the solo queue.

I'm not a programist, but from mathematic point of view it should improve queue, but I'm too tired to elaborate.

exeeter702 · February 2020

TequilaFire wrote: »

I'll say it again.
If there is not enough population for a solo and a group queue something is wrong with Battleground incentives to start with.

100 percent. ESO has one of if not the worst implemented instsnced battleground system of any mmo in existence save for maybe AOCs minigame bgs which sucked.

TagSaiku · February 2020

mikeb16_ESO77 wrote: »

Zarpenx wrote: »

mikeb16_ESO77 wrote: »

Zarpenx wrote: »

Seeing some of the comments makes me wonder if they've ever played BG solo . It's not that 'we don't want friends playing and having fun together', it's the fact that games are extremely unfair and onesided when there's a premade involved. Try waiting 5 minutes to get into a match just to get run over by a 4man who can't be killed. It's simply not healthy . BUT STILL, they could've at least made a separate queue for those who only wants to play with friends.

If you read the entire PTS thread you would see that most of the complaints are from those who play this game with someone be it husband/wife or friend. I wouldnt play this game if I wasnt playing with my wife and BGs are what we enjoy the most. We are hardly hardcore players and only ever duo. I would rather be stomped by premades most of the time then not get the chance to play together. Most who fail to see whats wrong with this change thinks this is a solo vs 4-man only thing. Its really not. If the PTS feedback showed anything Its how prevalent duos are.

ofc not, That's why I'm suggesting premades to get their own queue instead of completely removing that option from the game. Also, just because we're not always against premades > doesn't mean they aren't a problem . Let's not act like they made this change for no reason at all Lol.

Of course not, most are asking for the same thing. Seperate queues. Its the solo ONLY thats causing the outrage.

Yep, it's gonna be up to them and what they wanna do with their game in the end.

roflcopter · February 2020

exeeter702 wrote: »

roflcopter wrote: »

Make CP enabled BGs ZOS.

They tried that and it was a certifiable disaster.

Make CP enabled battlegrounds, this time make sure it's not a certifiable disaster ZOS.

mav1234 · February 2020

Commancho wrote: »

mikeb16_ESO77 wrote: »

Alot of duos and other groups wont even queue now so you cant count on those to continue in the solo queue.

I'm not a programist, but from mathematic point of view it should improve queue, but I'm too tired to elaborate.

We have no idea on this - it depends how many of the players, like me, won't bother queuing at all now since it is solo only. I played solo before sometimes, but I have no desire to now, knowing that it 1) the rewards really are not great, and 2) I don't have playing with a friend to look forward to.

some players will return to BGs now that weren't playing them before, and I am sure there will be a huge flood of people - or it will appear so, due to the MMR changes - over the next couple weeks. but some will not queue. the balance in that will depend on factors we don't know yet.

ZOS_Mika · February 2020

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roflcopter · February 2020

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The horrible relay of information between management, developers and players is the reason why discussions take these types of turns. A better flow of information would help ease these topics and players.

It's not a cure all, but would certainly help ease tensions.

ZOS never owns their part, just like when I get logged out because of "my internet connection". Own your part ZOS.

sMuggle · February 2020

Couldn't be happier, would be nice to have a DUO queue or group queue option. TBH people want to party, there's IC and Cyrodiil for that.

Schokolade · February 2020

sMuggle wrote: »

Couldn't be happier, would be nice to have a DUO queue or group queue option. TBH people want to party, there's IC and Cyrodiil for that.

Cyro is completely different. Btg are not Cyro.

And yes, thank god someone that is happy but understand the necessity of 2 queues.

Btw, after a lot of Btg I can say that is not so different; a lot of people that come to play with in mind the idea of winning, but they were just bad.
Just more Rng here; if you are lucky then you'll win.

I played a lot with my Gf (in the past ofc); after tonight I can say goodbye Btg nights.

#RipBtg

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_MikaS Hope you'll keep an eye on this mess.

Schokolade wrote: »

Guys, a lot of you are missing the point.

Why can't they find a better solution? Like 2 queues? Note: is their job, not mine - finding a solution I mean

It is an Online game, if I wanna play with friends I should be able to do that.
And not only with Cyro campaign, because are 2 different type of pvp.

Now.
Often I play with my Gf, a sort of pre made of 2, almost never of 3 or 4, so I understand the "frustation" of be wiped from full premade.

BUT all games (MMO) are the same, if you have friends and comunication then you have an advantage.
NOBODY is stopping you from doing that.

From another discussion:

Schokolade wrote: »

"One person's freedom ends where another's begins"; nobody is stopping you from play with or against your friend/husband now, but after this upgrade I cannot choose to play with.

I know the "problem" with only 2 queues, but at least I can choose - still better solution then: remove all premade in an Online game.
note: their job is to find a nice solution, but here we are with our ideas and their approximative method.

For the trial part it was my fault, I meant no premade* group for trials, only random. I'am also all in for a nice Storymode, but even here I think they should give the possibility to do it solo or with friends.

For all the: "Don't allow premade group" I've already said all with my previous comment.
A lot of people will still die and be bad in future, because the problem isn't often the premade (:

Should we remove premade group for Trials too?

This is no the way.
You can do better, for all of us, not only for premade or only for solo players.

@ZOS_GinaBruno

KageNin · February 2020

Don't delude yourself ,BGs are team based and they should have option to qué as group of 4,3, or 2 sure you can qué solo and win if rest of your team is as good at PvP or have some common sense to work together. But having only 1 qué is bad , Group finder was supposed to be fixed but again it's not , blame the tool not the concept.

mav1234 · February 2020

sMuggle wrote: »

Couldn't be happier, would be nice to have a DUO queue or group queue option. TBH people want to party, there's IC and Cyrodiil for that.

IC and Cyrodil are also places to solo. In fact, one might argue their lack of structure makes them even better places for soloers.

But one thing that can't be argued is that ZOS took a *group format PvP type* and made it so *groups couldn't play in it*.

I am totally okay with a solo queue option, but it should have been an option, not the only option. This change has already driven several of my friends out of the game.

BTW, in response to tweeting at Bethesda, I was told to fill out a support ticket in game about this. I will. I would encourage others to do so as well.

Hanokihs · February 2020

I'm no scholar, but I feel like it's pretty obvious that the real feedback they're looking for is player traffic. Words can be salty as the sea but numbers don't lie; if more people play than before the solo change, it'll probably be here to stay.

They can't just take the forum's word for it; not when so many players never come here and many of the ones who do only show up to complain when they're unhappy about something. You'd have to be mad to react based on that, you'd be juggling back and forth from one hand to the other until your arms fall off.

mav1234 · February 2020

Hanokihs wrote: »

I'm no scholar, but I feel like it's pretty obvious that the real feedback they're looking for is player traffic. Words can be salty as the sea but numbers don't lie; if more people play than before the solo change, it'll probably be here to stay.

numbers don't lie but statisticians can make the data say (almost) whatever they want. not to mention, hard to know what exactly they are comparing to. because they also reset the mmr, and this is to launch a new chapter cycle, a lot of these things are going to skew the data.

would have been better to do something like, allow the queue as it was on live before - solo, group, whatever - and make an alternative queue for just solo players. reset both MMRs. See how it goes.

max_only · February 2020

They should have had both queues, premade and solo.
So I can print out the “pre made queues are broken they take forever!” threads that would have opened and used those print outs to wipe my tears of laughter.

UntilValhalla13 · February 2020

I only ever did it to play with a few friends, usually on older characters that are part of an alliance I never bother with anymore. If alliance change were a thing, I could simply switch the color and wouldn't even need bgs.

wylievc · February 2020

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself. No stupid Synergy teams anymore that win by pressing X.

I can see why people are tempted to think this way. But it's really erroneous. It's not "the best thing that could ever happen" to Battlegrounds, nor the community. It's one solution to a problem that needs fixing (toxic premade groups), and it's a terrible solution at that. If we could have a system that remains to allow friends to queue together while squashing the ability for toxic players to form predatory premade groups, that would be "the best thing that could ever happen" to Battlegrounds... As it stands now we have the typical divide and conquer scenario. Players align with the extremist half-baked experimental solution because it will get you what you want. We should want a proper solution.

Why don't we hold Zenimax responsible to come up with a better system that both fixes the real issue and doesn't remove friends and loved one's abilities to play a game together, in a game mode that they prefer and have become accustomed to. Why not use better matchmaking logic that prefers to group solo queuers, duo queuers, while preferring to match 3-member and 4-member groups with each other? Or a solo-queue and competitive-queue option? Because that would take too much effort? To employ a proper solution?

There is also the argument that most don't care about. Top tier level competitive players who used to have an outlet to build teams and work with their teammates in a competitive and structured PvP mode. I'm not one of those players, in fact, I solo-queue 9 times out of 10, and once in a while will duo-queue with my brother. But this is no longer an option. This could still be possible if there was a competitive-queue option. I could see it being highly appealing to GvG guilds.

And before someone says, but you still have Cyrodiil and Imperial City, those game modes are not alternatives to Battlegrounds. They are large-scaled, unstructured, time-consuming, and laggy. If you prefer that, sure, but lots of players definitely do not, I don't find enjoyment there. I spend 90% of my time playing in Battlegrounds, and this implementation will drive me away from the game, and I would much prefer to keep playing.

People opposed to this change by and large aren't those toxic premade players, they are people who want to play the game we've become accustomed to, with our friends and loved ones, certainly that's what I am arguing for. I don't think we should revert the change, I think we need to find a better solution. I am strongly opposed to the current implementation.

Langeston · February 2020

I'm loving this so far. If they want to add in group queues down the road, great — but I hope they keep solo as an option. Once the MMR sorts itself out, it'll be a lot more balanced than it was before.

Hanokihs · February 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

Hanokihs wrote: »

I'm no scholar, but I feel like it's pretty obvious that the real feedback they're looking for is player traffic. Words can be salty as the sea but numbers don't lie; if more people play than before the solo change, it'll probably be here to stay.

numbers don't lie but statisticians can make the data say (almost) whatever they want. not to mention, hard to know what exactly they are comparing to. because they also reset the mmr, and this is to launch a new chapter cycle, a lot of these things are going to skew the data.

would have been better to do something like, allow the queue as it was on live before - solo, group, whatever - and make an alternative queue for just solo players. reset both MMRs. See how it goes.

Maybe they want to make sure their backend tweaks hold before they make it more complicated? Or they want to see if having a group-only queue will end up being, by numbers, as pointless as the cyrodiil groupfinder was.

Mr_Walker · February 2020

Blame the folks who went in with premade cheese.

rubherducky · February 2020

For me, I'd be happy if they allowed solo/duo only. I mostly played with one other friend, like many of the people in this thread.

Vicinia · February 2020

I play battlegrounds with my husband primarily. I'm probably just gonna wash my hands of it honestly. I would be upset if I wasn't already accustomed to off the wall changes this game has introduced over the years 🤷🏾‍♀️

Getting zerged in Cyrodiil as a duo will be a good alternative

inkstrider · February 2020

As somebody who is motivated to do BGs only for the big once per day exp, I like this change. But I've shunned BGs in the past not because of premade groups, but because it can get pretty toxic when I'm grouped with a competitive teammate who needs to get that no. 1 place for BG quests and achievements, when I'm not as fully geared up for PvP as a new player.

It also sucks to not be able to get the daily exp and have to run it again if my team fails to get first and second place. So most of the time, I end up running the daily random normal dungeon only. Unless I really really want to get that one assault skill.

I would miss running BGs with a friend I occasionally play with. But we also do delves and dungeons and other PvE stuff together, so it's not so bad.

Kadoin · February 2020

One man or One woman Armies like myself are

at this change. Looks like farming entire BG teams will be even easier. Already had mountains of screens from the "top BG players" crying for me to choke on when I am browsing my screenshot library and moving game. Thanks ZOS

Rave the Histborn · February 2020

NaomiHutt wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself.

But that makes no sense, it's a team based game, it's you and 3 other team members.

Not like it's 12 players and everyone is solo and has to kill off the other 11 players.

I'm not saying get rid of solo queuing I'm asking for 2 individual queue's

Not everyone wants/needs to go in with other teammates. I pug most of my games and I do fairly well but it does get frustrating when you face the same premade team 3-4 times in a row and they roll you every time because they're on voice comms and synergizing set combos

Kadoin · February 2020

Rave the Histborn wrote: »

NaomiHutt wrote: »

L_Nici wrote: »

That is honestly the best thing that could ever happen. Premade BGs were so unbalanced all the time especially if you fought randoms. I couldn't be happier about that change, finally BGs evolve to a challenge, where you can't rely on your team anymore but have to be good yourself.

But that makes no sense, it's a team based game, it's you and 3 other team members.

Not like it's 12 players and everyone is solo and has to kill off the other 11 players.

I'm not saying get rid of solo queuing I'm asking for 2 individual queue's

Not everyone wants/needs to go in with other teammates. I pug most of my games and I do fairly well but it does get frustrating when you face the same premade team 3-4 times in a row and they roll you every time because they're on voice comms and synergizing set combos

Don't forget when they are 8 people in same Discord colluding because they lost other games against you and are extremely hurt about it. That made me laugh every night. A certain vocal player on this forum is one of them that practiced it to boost their BG scores, but you know the naming and shaming rules prevent me from saying anything more.

I'm not joking when I say 8 ranked players literally played in voice comms and found ways to "farm" first time players in BGs and never fought each other. I think this is not even my first time posting about it...

When that happens and I won, I have to admit it was very satisfying. I will miss that, but I wonder if those same players will still be on the BG weekly list or "retire" now that they can't do that anymore

Belyar · February 2020

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Its ironic how you're talking about insulting others yet you did the very same thing to a large part of your playerbase by removing the option to play with friends in Bgs. Its an online game for heaven's sake, you should ADD more social options, not REMOVE them.

coradaelu · February 2020

Just put a separate group queue, so they can really take a challenge, solo queue is very good.