GW2 style zergball gameplay, and resource flipping the whole map non negative thread!

Zerosix · June 2014

Two issues I have come across:

1: The cap being at six is a little too low for the the current zergball mentality that is spreading. Raise the aoe cap a bit so we can bust the zerg. Small groups are not as viable as they should be against zerg stacking. Our faction is the overpop on our camp, so this would greatly affect us. I think it may give more opportunity to the underdogs.

2: A single faction knocking out every teleport in the zone is causing very slow pvp. Please make inactivity on resources for 30-45 minutes result in resources auto-reclaiming to the faction that owns the keep. This would help pick the pace back up, and cut back on the run simulator. (Example EB pushed across our map giving us some much needed competition.

to ya TSym. AD flipped every single resource on EB side and crippled them across the map and did not even go for their keeps. The result is most EB logging out for the night.)

I may be completely wrong about these ideas and would be open to discussion on them. Unlike most naysayers, I am having an absolute blast in pvp. I wish we had the pvp fullness eu has right now in NA. Hopefully the campaign redesigns will bring some action back. For now Bloodthorn seems to at least be alive again, and it is a welcome change. I want to see an even playing field, and right now we are way over pop.

FOR EMERIC AND DAGGERFALL! See you AD and EB scrubs in the action!

Bitz_Maidenhell · June 2014

AoE cap is lame. I think 90% of the ESO population agrees as i saw from polls. AoE cap was a major issue that killed GW2 RvR, seems ESO is not learning from other games mistakes like they should.

I will attest that there is nothing like the feeling of a 6 man team wiping a 60 or 100 man "zerg" ball. ESO need to reconsider the AoE cap, seriously.

Tintinabula · June 2014

Have they capped mobs aoes as well? I mean if I take a raid of 15 ppl into a dungeon will the bosses AOEs only affect 6 of my raid?.. Cause if so that's pretty sweet..only 6 ppl affected while the other 9 continue to do their thing.

FENGRUSH · June 2014

Maybe its time to do another AOE cap vote poll........ every week.......twice a week.

rich_nicholsonb16_ESO · June 2014

Changing the area cap, reducing group size and changing how healing works is the only way to stop this zerging. Zergs kill pvp games both daoc and gw2 went downhill as soon as the zerging tactic started to become the norm, ESO will go the same way if they don't stop it.
It's all too easy when your in a bunch of 24+ just spamming heals running over another group blowing ultimates and area effect spells/skills.

It was only last night I went out in a small guild group of 6 and we found other smaller groups and had fights with them and I can tell you that's where the fun is, more team work was involved not just sticking close and spamming 2 buttons.

If they won't change it as least give small groups ( even solo ppl ) something to fight for like outposts dotted around the map.

Avidus · June 2014

AoE needs a cap, but maybe more than 6, it needs to be more threatening to a large group than a small group.

Alternatively you could just slightly increase AoE damage if more people get caught in it

That would be hilarious.

ElSlayer · June 2014

I think capping AoE is a way to reduce lag in mass PvP. Think of it for a minute in perspective of client-server data exchange.

Kilmister · June 2014

AoE cap is one of my biggest complaints about ESO. Removing it makes smaller well organised groups more viable and discourages the zergers from putting all their eggs in one basket. Having a significantly higher number of smaller groups spread across the map would help with lag and also allow greater opportunities for cooperation between guilds to make coordinated attacks at a variety of points on the map. Encouraging this kind of gameplay and rethinking the desperately bad idea of a very short vet only campaign opens up greater freedom for player generated content.

CosmicChaos · June 2014

The campaign I play in it usually becomes zerg vs zerg. Which is actually a lot of fun when you have multiple groups using different tactics on the same battlefield. And even with the AoE cap you can still take a out a group 2 or 3 times your size. The reason everyone is complaining is because Sorc/DK classes want to be able to run head first into the heart of the mob. The Sorc wants to stun everyone with BE and then spam Impulse. The DKs want to further expand their effectiveness of standard. Because apparently a good DK being able to take on a group of 5+ alone without dying in a few seconds isn't good enough. ZOS screws up a lot of things but the AoE cap wasn't one of them.

TomLukman · June 2014

A single DK can only kill 5+ alone if those 5+ are stupid enough to stand close to his standard. The thing this 6 people cap brought is that players can now stand really close together and become almost immune to AOE damage. This strategy has been abused by multiboxers and many groups of players in alliance war ever since the cap was introduced.

Since lag is in most cases caused by bandwidth, not CPU or other hardware limits, I don't think the AOE cap helps with lag in any way because all players still have to see those casting AOE spells (therefore have to receive the IP package from the server).

Krazyhermit · June 2014

Zerosix wrote: »

Two issues I have come across:

1: The cap being at six is a little too low for the the current zergball mentality that is spreading. Raise the aoe cap a bit so we can bust the zerg. Small groups are not as viable as they should be against zerg stacking. Our faction is the overpop on our camp, so this would greatly affect us. I think it may give more opportunity to the underdogs.

2: A single faction knocking out every teleport in the zone is causing very slow pvp. Please make inactivity on resources for 30-45 minutes result in resources auto-reclaiming to the faction that owns the keep. This would help pick the pace back up, and cut back on the run simulator. (Example EB pushed across our map giving us some much needed competition. to ya TSym. AD flipped every single resource on EB side and crippled them across the map and did not even go for their keeps. The result is most EB logging out for the night.)

I may be completely wrong about these ideas and would be open to discussion on them. Unlike most naysayers, I am having an absolute blast in pvp. I wish we had the pvp fullness eu has right now in NA. Hopefully the campaign redesigns will bring some action back. For now Bloodthorn seems to at least be alive again, and it is a welcome change. I want to see an even playing field, and right now we are way over pop.

FOR EMERIC AND DAGGERFALL! See you AD and EB scrubs in the action!

Tsym was fighting at Glade last night and had a blast. Congrats on taking the resources, we stayed at Glade were the big fight happened for most of the night. We eventually had to log as it was getting close to our pvp time to end. I can assure you maybe taking the resources made some of EB log, but however, as for Tsym it was the good ole Z monster and wife agro for most of us.
Thanks for the fun!!!
The Hermit

Baphomet · June 2014

Right now I am a bit divided on this. If they removed the cap, players would be able to gain super fast ultimate points and spam ults. On the other hand, maybe the cap should be raised to eight or nine. Just enough to give the small organized groups a little more punch against the zerg.

Of course there is seige equipment against the zerg but it is very akward to use in open field battle for instance.

And don't forget, if they uncap it,mthe zerg will also be able to AoE bomb even more effectively.

Whatever they do, unnerf inhale!

Shaun98ca2 · June 2014

Point #2 is an extremely valid tactic of the battlefield and one of the few things a 6 man group can do to assist the zerg quite well is cutting off the Transit line for a zerg to resupply additional troops.

I'm glad they have this as its a dangerous thing to go out and take over 3 resources as it shows a keep under attack if im not mistaken.

While the Zerg efforts of the war is important is the smaller groups that will win the war. Each guild on a campaign should find a keep and make it theirs while sending 6 man teams out to hinder the war in their favor while defending the keep.

quakedawg_ESO · June 2014

Love it when a plan comes together

Zerosix · June 2014

Shaun98ca2 wrote: »

Point #2 is an extremely valid tactic of the battlefield and one of the few things a 6 man group can do to assist the zerg quite well is cutting off the Transit line for a zerg to resupply additional troops.

I'm glad they have this as its a dangerous thing to go out and take over 3 resources as it shows a keep under attack if im not mistaken.

While the Zerg efforts of the war is important is the smaller groups that will win the war. Each guild on a campaign should find a keep and make it theirs while sending 6 man teams out to hinder the war in their favor while defending the keep.

Honestly it messes up small group pvp. Small groups hate roaming for a billion years looking for other small groups. When every teleport is knocked out, small groups log or call it a night after they wipe because they are stuck back at the start zone.

They need to add in rotated pvp dailies besides the current ones that give high reward. Like collect x items from so and so delve. Give the same one to all three factions and use quest like this to create small pvp hotspots.

rich_nicholsonb16_ESO · June 2014

I think there still should be a cap but the cap of 6 vs a group size of 24 sorry it just doesn't add up, too many ppl won't get hit which makes it too easy to Zerg like this.

The cap should at least hit half of a full group. So either reduce the group size to 8 or 12 or up the cap to 12 or 16.

Healing should be group only when it comes to healing damaged players unless all group mates are at 100%. This will also reduce these Zerg balls just spamming heals and areas as if a small group is sticking tight with a full group they won't benifit from the larger groups heals.

Komma · June 2014

This is a large scale pvp game. It is not an arena type roaming group game that daoc turned out to be. The best days in daoc were the large scale battle which everyone can participate in. Making it a small group game eliminates the fun for the majority of players. Your voice is loud on the forums but it isn't in the majority.

We had a blast with a fairly small group tonight. Cutting off the supply lines and joining in the bigger fights when they happened.

I go both ways on the aoe stuff though. Maybe reduce the damage of aoe's and increase the amount of people they can hit? I would be ok with that.

GW2 style zergball gameplay, and resource flipping the whole map *non negative thread!*

GW2 style zergball gameplay, and resource flipping the whole map non negative thread!