About Nightblade's Magicka regen
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PlagueMonk✭✭✭✭✭Siphoning Attacks: 10% chance on all attacks to restore 15% magicka and stamina
Sure I take a DPS hit but I often find myself finishing a fight against 3 foes with 3 full bars (well I get health regen from other skills
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Nightgard✭✭
its not a temporary fix.... its the single most powerful pve ability in the game. period. doesnt matter if it takes a slot in the bar either as NB only needs 3 slots to solo basically every mob in the game that doesnt bring an obscene amount of adds. that leaves 2 slots and an ulti to deal with mobs that bring adds. basically u can solo everything.
Solo is cool . But for vet dungeons it's not a solution. 25% less Dps is important at high lvl.0 -
lao✭✭✭✭
its not a temporary fix.... its the single most powerful pve ability in the game. period. doesnt matter if it takes a slot in the bar either as NB only needs 3 slots to solo basically every mob in the game that doesnt bring an obscene amount of adds. that leaves 2 slots and an ulti to deal with mobs that bring adds. basically u can solo everything.
Solo is cool . But for vet dungeons it's not a solution. 25% less Dps is important at high lvl.
in vet dungeons u get a healer that will spam healing springs on you if he isnt a dumb *** moron
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Nightgard✭✭
its not a temporary fix.... its the single most powerful pve ability in the game. period. doesnt matter if it takes a slot in the bar either as NB only needs 3 slots to solo basically every mob in the game that doesnt bring an obscene amount of adds. that leaves 2 slots and an ulti to deal with mobs that bring adds. basically u can solo everything.
Solo is cool . But for vet dungeons it's not a solution. 25% less Dps is important at high lvl.
in vet dungeons u get a healer that will spam healing springs on you if he isnt a dumb *** moron
Healing springs boost the caster mana regen for each ally affected. Doesn't boost allies regen
If it does, the tooltip doesn't say it.Edited by Nightgard on 4 June 2014 03:310 -
lao✭✭✭✭
its not a temporary fix.... its the single most powerful pve ability in the game. period. doesnt matter if it takes a slot in the bar either as NB only needs 3 slots to solo basically every mob in the game that doesnt bring an obscene amount of adds. that leaves 2 slots and an ulti to deal with mobs that bring adds. basically u can solo everything.
Solo is cool . But for vet dungeons it's not a solution. 25% less Dps is important at high lvl.
in vet dungeons u get a healer that will spam healing springs on you if he isnt a dumb *** moron
Healing springs boost the caster mana regen for each ally affected. Doesn't boost allies regen
If it does, the tooltip doesn't say it.
yea ur right. my mistake. still u shouldnt run into much problems if u use magicka furnace and/or warlock set and good pots. also u can switch on siphoning strikes for just a couple of hits when ur running low.Edited by lao on 4 June 2014 04:100 -
Bhakura✭✭✭✭also u can switch on siphoning strikes for just a couple of hits when ur running low.
Not a good way to utilize it. The proc chance is only 10% and the restore on a normal attack is to little to fill back up. If you are using it have it on all the time, more chance to get a proc when you just started casting stuff, get a full refund of used skill costs instead of having to work to get a proc to get magicka back again.
But i guess thats just preference.Edited by Bhakura on 4 June 2014 09:270 -
flo_wb16_ESOSoul ShrivenShouldnt make so much advertisement for the skill before zenimax decides to nerf it too
Already happened
Check patch note for upcoming changes. Siph Strike will be nerfed ...
Somehow I feel it already got nerfed with 1.1 it regens much slower for me.
If you want to bypass the dmg drop use Power Extraction that gives 11% more dmg per enemy, with this activated you are are almost at same dmg as without Siph strikes.
If you want to do more dmg switch to restro staff and 7 light
Cheers
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Falmer✭✭✭✭Or you could... put one more weapon skill into your rotation instead of a NB skill.. Problem solved.
Complaining about 'too much stamina' is kind of silly when it is the one resource that every other class is starved for.
I guess we should have sorcerors also complaining that they don't get a stamina regen passive.0 -
VileIntent✭✭✭✭siphoning strikes
your welcome.
I just said I tried it in the comment right above yours... but thanks for answering I guess.
And something to add about siphoning strikes, stamina base builds don't need to use it because of all the stamina regen passive and active skills in existence.
So yeah, it's a fix but it's still -25% dps and a takes a slot in the bar.
So , temporary fix. NB DDs with stamina builds still have an advantage.
its not a temporary fix.... its the single most powerful pve ability in the game. period. doesnt matter if it takes a slot in the bar either as NB only needs 3 slots to solo basically every mob in the game that doesnt bring an obscene amount of adds. that leaves 2 slots and an ulti to deal with mobs that bring adds. basically u can solo everything.
what this guy said, i didn't see it before i posted
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lao✭✭✭✭also u can switch on siphoning strikes for just a couple of hits when ur running low.
Not a good way to utilize it. The proc chance is only 10% and the restore on a normal attack is to little to fill back up. If you are using it have it on all the time, more chance to get a proc when you just started casting stuff, get a full refund of used skill costs instead of having to work to get a proc to get magicka back again.
But i guess thats just preference.
nah natural regen (if capped) + 5-6 swings will grant u almost all of ur mana back. the proc chance seemed to be much higher than 10% from my personal experience. dno if they changed it in the latest patches tho. that beeing said i used the leeching strikes morph cos i solo most of the time and its better than siphoning attacks unless u have a healer.Edited by lao on 4 June 2014 12:590 -
Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭Hi,
all our class skills use magicka but we don't have any magicka regen passive or active.
We only have the executioner, if you kill a target with an assassination skill you get 168 magicka over 6 seconds... OMG that's so powerful ! (not even enough to use one skill)
When refreshing shadows give us +30% stamina regen for 6s , it's around 200 to 280 stamina in 6s.
Refreshing shadows > use a magicka skill to regen stamina... ok why not, but let us have a magicka regen if we use a stamina skill then ...
You want us to play with our stamina (medium armor is stamina regen and weapon crit) but all our powerful skills use magicka.
Right now it's Stamina regen/cost diminution everywhere, with Two handed, with bow, with dual wield, with medium armor, even in the shadow tree. Come on !
Siphoning Attacks - restores magica, 4% per hit while active and a 10% chance on every attack for a 15% magica gain without it even being active.
Or at least that is how I read it. I've not morphed it yet to try.
Edit: Looking up, I read
'And something to add about siphoning strikes, stamina base builds don't need to use it because of all the stamina regen passive and active skills in existence.'
I was thinking about this the other day, and was thinking about trying it but.
Duel wield:
- Whirling Blades - Shadowy Disguise - Heavy Attack - and repeat.
Using Siphoning Attacks when needed and Killer's Blade to finish, with the passives Executioner, Refreshing Shadows, Shadow Barrier would you not basically have and invisible aoe killing machine with an endless pool of mana and stamina? Throw in a Charging Maneuver and your invisible and unstoppable.
I keep meaning try this, to see if Siphoning Attacks could keep my mana up to use Shadowy Disguise a lot.
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Nightgard✭✭Or you could... put one more weapon skill into your rotation instead of a NB skill.. Problem solved.
Complaining about 'too much stamina' is kind of silly when it is the one resource that every other class is starved for.
I guess we should have sorcerors also complaining that they don't get a stamina regen passive.
switch every class skill for Sorc to stamina and we'll see if it will be "ok".
And your first sentence = "To be a NB use weapon skill instead of NB skill, problem solved". Yeah, because you're right that's actually how Zenimax made the game, and I find it very weird.
Now you're saying "well put siphoning strikes, it's only one slot anyway".
My problem is that stamina base builds can enjoy a full bar of skills, they can put a DoT, an AoE, a vanish, a CC and an execute, they can enjoy their Dps at 100%.
But if you take a magicka build (which is not an aberration because again, every single class skill uses magicka).
You have to lose 1 slot to keep siphoning strikes up. With a nice -24% in your dps.
So OK you can solo every *** in the world but in vet dungeons you will be less effective than a stamina player. And that's not fair.
And you will have only 4 slots to have some fun playing your class instead of 5 (which is already boring).
But you all seem to like to play a class knowing it does 1 quarter of it's DPS and to use only 3 skills... if it's fine for you well... Why bother. Thought you were MMO players not casual amateurs.0 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭My problem is that stamina base builds can enjoy a full bar of skills, they can put a DoT, an AoE, a vanish, a CC and an execute, they can enjoy their Dps at 100%.
But if you take a magicka build (which is not an aberration because again, every single class skill uses magicka).
You have to lose 1 slot to keep siphoning strikes up. With a nice -24% in your dps.
So OK you can solo every *** in the world but in vet dungeons you will be less effective than a stamina player. And that's not fair.
And you will have only 4 slots to have some fun playing your class instead of 5 (which is already boring).
I wonder if we are playing the same game.
This is the elder scrolls online forum, right?
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yelloweyedemon✭✭✭Same QQ different thread. I didn't even read all the responses...
You have to MIX weapon skills/armour skills with class skills. If you chose 5/5 magic consuming skills, then you have to go for light armour.
I get the feeling that 90% of NB's are using 3 skills over and over then cry on the forum.
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Nightgard✭✭yelloweyedemon wrote: »Same QQ different thread. I didn't even read all the responses...
You have to MIX weapon skills/armour skills with class skills. If you chose 5/5 magic consuming skills, then you have to go for light armour.
I get the feeling that 90% of NB's are using 3 skills over and over then cry on the forum.
And yes I only play NB
I have 3 class skills , 2 weapons skills on bar 1 and 2 guild skills, 2 class skills and 1 weapon on bar 2. I'm mixing alright.I wonder if we are playing the same game.
This is the elder scrolls online forum, right?
I played a stamina base build from lvl 1 to vet 3 so yeah... You can totally enjoy your dps at 100%. Hell you can use magicka skills that will give you stamina regen. Can you do it the other way around ?0