https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tmhnh-Xnivs

What are NBs & Templars supposed to say then?
And while, according to ZOS, Nightblades will get fixed, Templars will remain this way...

Instead of whining about other classes why dont you try and ask for buff for your own class?

I dont get it when people would rather nerf other people then actually try and come up with constructive feedback for their own class.

I agree completely. They're batty. Their lack of vision is blinding. *wink*

If you think Tempars or Nightblades suck your doing it wrong

I wonder if I should level a NB now, and park it at lvl 50 waiting for the eventual 'full-release-working-as-intended' buffs or should I wait? Getting really really bored of spamming crystal shards already

I don't know. At VR3, my NB feels about right on solo content and public group content. Haven't done a group dungeons yet. They say we have broken passives. I don't know, I only use about half of them. Being an archer, I only use about half of the abilities, too. So there very may well be problems that I don't know about.

But all I know is when the topic of nightblade dps comes up here or in guild or zone chat, the conversation always goes the same way...

-NB says he does fine in x content or parsed y dps.

-Non NB says either "you must be really good but z (non NB class) could have done it easier" or "(non NB class) would have done y x1.5 dps on that mob so that's no big deal" or "post screens or it didn't happen."

This is directed at no one player personally, but the public face of the DK class has done nothing but gloat since day one and belittle other classes as "broken" and using I Win buttons on EZ mode...Now it's all tears over nerfs.

It's as if it has never occured to anyone that maybe, just maybe, this game was never intended to be played on EZ mode, that the "broken" classes are a lot closer to intended strength than the favored ones, and that nerfs are actually warranted?

Don't mistake what I'm saying, I take no joy in any of this, I've played classes that got beat with the nerf bat and it sucks. It would have been better to have had better balance at release. But there wasn't. And now nerfs may be what is needed, unfortunately.

Don't shoot the messenger, but I'm betting Sorcs are next. And I bet when they finally get around to balancing stamina and magicka builds that magicka staff/light armor builds take a good whack or three with the nerf stick while stamina builds only get a few tweaks up.

Because, while nobody wants to hear it, stamina build nightblades really aren't that bad now. They just seem that way because other classes are facerolling content in comparison, but maybe that was never intended.