What I think the game needs
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✭✭✭✭✭OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
Aside from the mentioned Oblivion quest, sex has been part of all the Elder Scrolls games. And in Skyrim, you could marry a character of either gender.----
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
Aside from the mentioned Oblivion quest, sex has been part of all the Elder Scrolls games. And in Skyrim, you could marry a character of either gender.
So long as homosexuality is part of established TES lore, then IMO it isn't injected into ESO as part of some politically-correct experimentation.
Did look at the link provided above, and couldn't find anything that hinted toward a homosexual relationship, but perhaps I missed something.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
Aside from the mentioned Oblivion quest, sex has been part of all the Elder Scrolls games. And in Skyrim, you could marry a character of either gender.
So long as homosexuality is part of established TES lore, then IMO it isn't injected into ESO as part of some politically-correct experimentation.
Did look at the link provided above, and couldn't find anything that hinted toward a homosexual relationship, but perhaps I missed something.
Yeah, saw now that it isn't directly mentioned in the quest's walkthrough, although the journal of the fallen knight hints strongly: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:A_Bloody_Journal0 -
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✭Oh, I thought he was referring to Jakarn's admirers.
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✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
Aside from the mentioned Oblivion quest, sex has been part of all the Elder Scrolls games. And in Skyrim, you could marry a character of either gender.
So long as homosexuality is part of established TES lore, then IMO it isn't injected into ESO as part of some politically-correct experimentation.
Did look at the link provided above, and couldn't find anything that hinted toward a homosexual relationship, but perhaps I missed something.
Yeah, saw now that it isn't directly mentioned in the quest's walkthrough, although the journal of the fallen knight hints strongly: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:A_Bloody_Journal
Okay, can see that - it could also be just a very strong friendship. Though the reference to Edward as "beautiful" does tend to suggest a homosexual relationship, or perhaps homosexual feelings. Cannot know by what the journal states whether or not such feelings were reciprocated.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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Dusty5✭✭✭OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
To be truthful I played the original daggerfall and baulders gate. But do not remember ever seeing such. As for the other game titles in the lore history I do not know0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »OP is partly correct. There are people who go out of their way to force issues into mmo's that have no business begin there. Any sex preference is not part of gaming lore..its someone with an ax to grind injecting his/her view into the game.
My question in regard to the inclusion of such would be, is there a precedent in TES lore for it, prior to the release of ESO?
Aside from the mentioned Oblivion quest, sex has been part of all the Elder Scrolls games. And in Skyrim, you could marry a character of either gender.
So long as homosexuality is part of established TES lore, then IMO it isn't injected into ESO as part of some politically-correct experimentation.
Did look at the link provided above, and couldn't find anything that hinted toward a homosexual relationship, but perhaps I missed something.
Does it matter?
A homosexual relationship and a heterosexual relationship are both sexual relationships. This isn't "political correctness." It's a statement of fact.
Has the Elder Scrolls universe, prior to ESO, had content regarding sexuality or sexual relationships? Yes. So this isn't "injected" in.----
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✭✭Yes. There is one Fighters Guild quest in Oblivion, among others, where there are strong hints of a homosexual relationship between two knights.
One quest, is that all, big deal, from the way he wrote it I thought there was an entire zone with hints of homosexuality.
Not gay myself, but my masculinity isn't challenged by it either.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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From the perspective of TES lore, yes. Yes it does matter.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Does it matter?
Horse travel and train travel are both forms of travel, but had had train travel shown up in ESO (or been hinted at) without a precedent for it being seen in earlier TES lore ... I'd have an issue with it.nerevarine1138 wrote: »A homosexual relationship and a heterosexual relationship are both sexual relationships. This isn't "political correctness." It's a statement of fact.
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✭OP didn't bat an eye at the notion of Molag Bal being the Prince of *** and Domination in previous titles, or Sanguines hedonism and unadulterated revelry, but 2 characters of the same sex experiencing love in game nonchalantly - that's crossing the line. Give me a break.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Im confused. So, is the knight who says he wants to, 'Sheath his sword in me' trying to pick me up? Or threatening to kill me? Darn political correctness will get me killed!1 -
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From the perspective of TES lore, yes. Yes it does matter.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Does it matter?
Horse travel and train travel are both forms of travel, but had had train travel shown up in ESO (or been hinted at) without a precedent for it being seen in earlier TES lore ... I'd have an issue with it.nerevarine1138 wrote: »A homosexual relationship and a heterosexual relationship are both sexual relationships. This isn't "political correctness." It's a statement of fact.
It's a ludicrous comparison.
Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason to object to having relationships which have been present since Morrowind (Uncle Crassius, anyone?).
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It is an analogy that is perfectly apt, your irrational rejection of it notwithstanding.nerevarine1138 wrote: »
From the perspective of TES lore, yes. Yes it does matter.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Does it matter?
Horse travel and train travel are both forms of travel, but had had train travel shown up in ESO (or been hinted at) without a precedent for it being seen in earlier TES lore ... I'd have an issue with it.nerevarine1138 wrote: »A homosexual relationship and a heterosexual relationship are both sexual relationships. This isn't "political correctness." It's a statement of fact.
It's a ludicrous comparison.
Logical fallacies employed by you (and reported to mods):nerevarine1138 wrote: »[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]- Ad Hominem attack
- Poisoning the Well
I've already asserted that if homosexual relationships are part of established lore, then they are not a politically-correct injection into ESO, so if you've some ax to grind, you've come to the wrong place, friend.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Otherwise, there's absolutely no reason to object to having relationships which have been present since Morrowind (Uncle Crassius, anyone?).
Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on 5 June 2014 22:35Crotchety Old Man Guild
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nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Logical fallacies employed by you (and reported to mods):- Ad Hominem attack
- Poisoning the Well
I've already asserted that if homosexual relationships are part of established lore, then they are not a politically-correct injection into ESO, so if you've some ax to grind, you've come to the wrong place, friend.
Sadly, logical fallacies (real or imagined) aren't against the Code of Conduct, nor have I engaged in either of those tactics.
At this point, you've been presented with ample evidence that sexuality of all kinds has been present in the Elder Scrolls series. By continuing to question whether it's really there, it starts to seem as though you're the one with an axe and grindstone.
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Ad Ad Hominem is a personal attack, which decidedly is against the Code of Conduct.nerevarine1138 wrote: »Sadly, logical fallacies (real or imagined) aren't against the Code of Conduct, nor have I engaged in either of those tactics.
... followed by yet another personal attack (also reported).nerevarine1138 wrote: »[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
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Everything I wrote was quite clear in reference to lore, and you sir are the only one who has seen fit to hijack this thread into your own personal vendetta.nerevarine1138 wrote: »At this point, you've been presented with ample evidence that sexuality of all kinds has been present in the Elder Scrolls series. By continuing to question whether it's really there, then it starts to seem as though you're the one with an axe and grindstone.
I am done wasting time in pointless debate with you.Edited by ZOS_ShannonM on 5 June 2014 22:36Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭✭✭✭✭It's really entertaining going back and re-reading this argument now that the mods have had their way with it."A probable impossibility is preferable to an improbable possibility." - Aristotle2