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[Suggestion] Getting Nightblade Caster on Par with other DPS
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Therium104✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds. Your complaining is trolling and pathetic. First, you whine that NB is useless and cannot solo anything. This is refuted and proven to be false yet you still spout out the same inaccurate garbage.
I am calling you out for what you are. A biased snowflake that prefers a broken and imbalanced game that favors you. So don't spout out more of your garbage. Also, don't whine when I call you on it.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
Now get lost. Lol.
I can't take your posts seriously. I just feel bad for your home life, if you feel the need to spend time trolling here.
As for competitive builds. If you're talking about healing then yes. If you're talking dps then no, hell no. The caster build I was referring to was something one could use to at least not be useless, nightblade is far from competitive. This may deserve buffs but with us being in such a broken state its hard to tell. Nightblades need fixes first then a revaluation. But if you refuse to believe that that's cool. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Also saying that I prefer a broken imbalanced game; no. This game is terribly far from being balanced. I did not ask for any nerfs to anything whatsoever. Instead I stated that there's an overabundance of players using light armor and staves because medium armor and stamina based weapons suck. But obviously your reading level isn't high enough to comprehend that.
These forums need an ignore function.
I am not the one whining. Feel sorry for yourself and Learn To Play a video game.
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Qael✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
I can't take your posts seriously. I just feel bad for your home life, if you feel the need to spend time trolling here.
As for competitive builds. If you're talking about healing then yes. If you're talking dps then no, hell no. The caster build I was referring to was something one could use to at least not be useless, nightblade is far from competitive. This may deserve buffs but with us being in such a broken state its hard to tell. Nightblades need fixes first then a revaluation. But if you refuse to believe that that's cool. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Also saying that I prefer a broken imbalanced game; no. This game is terribly far from being balanced. I did not ask for any nerfs to anything whatsoever. Instead I stated that there's an overabundance of players using light armor and staves because medium armor and stamina based weapons suck. But obviously your reading level isn't high enough to comprehend that.
This is far from true. I play a caster dps Nightblade in Entropy Rising, and if you take a look at Erlex's videos of our speed runs you will see that I topped the meters on every fight, and I have continued to do so.
This game is very balanced. The biggest problem is people not taking the time to think outside of the box, or test new builds.Edited by Qael on 3 June 2014 20:230 -
Ilterendi✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
I can't take your posts seriously. I just feel bad for your home life, if you feel the need to spend time trolling here.
As for competitive builds. If you're talking about healing then yes. If you're talking dps then no, hell no. The caster build I was referring to was something one could use to at least not be useless, nightblade is far from competitive. This may deserve buffs but with us being in such a broken state its hard to tell. Nightblades need fixes first then a revaluation. But if you refuse to believe that that's cool. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Also saying that I prefer a broken imbalanced game; no. This game is terribly far from being balanced. I did not ask for any nerfs to anything whatsoever. Instead I stated that there's an overabundance of players using light armor and staves because medium armor and stamina based weapons suck. But obviously your reading level isn't high enough to comprehend that.
This is far from true. I play a caster dps Nightblade in Entropy Rising, and if you take a look at Erlex's videos of our speed runs you will see that I topped the meters on every fight, and I have continued to do so.
This game is very balanced. The biggest problem is people not taking the time to think outside of the box, or test new builds.
I could be wrong about nightblade CASTERS, granted. But this game being balanced, absolutely not. Medium armor and stamina builds are harshly behind even mediocre magicka builds.
Also, would you mind sharing or PMing me your build. I love my nightblade and would rather not disregard him until my ideal brand of death dealing is fixed.0 -
@Qael Man I hear so many people say they "top meters" however nobody ever takes time to discuss the builds. Your lack of activity on your own forum (Tamriel Foundry) doesn't help the community either. Why don't you sit down and explain what you do to present these meter topping numbers. I don't believe a nightblade is doing more than a Sorc while optimized. However I would love to be proven wrong. This game will thrive off of community, not hiding behind a veil of "I don't want to share my build because of leaderboards"
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There are GLARING problems with the Nightblade class that have presented itself to me in the past few days, the most noticeable is that apparently all Nightblades aren't equal. Hitting the same mob with Soul Siphon, another Nightblade guildie with equal magicka but less spell power was hitting for 100 harder per cast non crit. I don't even realize how this is possible, tested it many times too. I'm throwing in the towel on this game, it makes no sense to me at all.1
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Oh and Entropy Rising doesn't have a speed run with a Nightblade, at least not a remarkable one. I'm the fastest Nightblade through AA, there are way too many issues with this class that just don't add up. Game time expires in 6 days.
-Austin, Daggerfall Covenant Nightblade and Disgruntled Gamer... out.1 -
Therium104✭✭✭Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »There are GLARING problems with the Nightblade class that have presented itself to me in the past few days, the most noticeable is that apparently all Nightblades aren't equal. Hitting the same mob with Soul Siphon, another Nightblade guildie with equal magicka but less spell power was hitting for 100 harder per cast non crit. I don't even realize how this is possible, tested it many times too. I'm throwing in the towel on this game, it makes no sense to me at all.
You are the NB standard player. The norm. Another tactic is to compare your stamina based skills to caster on a sorc and dk.... then scream for class nerfs to sorc and dk and buffs to NB. At the same time NB casters are competitve with all classes but ignore this due to ignorance. I call it the NB "Tard Piviot".Edited by Therium104 on 4 June 2014 12:220 -
LariahHunding✭✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »There are GLARING problems with the Nightblade class that have presented itself to me in the past few days, the most noticeable is that apparently all Nightblades aren't equal. Hitting the same mob with Soul Siphon, another Nightblade guildie with equal magicka but less spell power was hitting for 100 harder per cast non crit. I don't even realize how this is possible, tested it many times too. I'm throwing in the towel on this game, it makes no sense to me at all.
You are the NB standard player. The norm. Another tactic is to compare your stamina based skills to caster on a sorc and dk.... then scream for class nerfs to sorc and dk and buffs to NB. At the same time NB casters are competitve with all classes but ignore this due to ignorance. I call it the NB "Tard Piviot".
Show us the build and the numbers. Otherwise, you are talking out you rear.
Like someone above, people make wild declarations about " You can do this..." but they never back up with builds, numbers etc.
And you telling that at NB caster can be as effective as a tuned Sorc caster. It's not even close.
At this state, a maxed out NB or Temp is about as a good as a average sorc or DK.
However, most NB's don't want to be a damn caster. If I wanted to be caster, I would roll a sorc. YOU want to pivot us into being a caster.
BTW, I appreciate you insulting my developmentally disabled family member.
EDIT: Most of use don't want other classes nerfed, we want ours fixed. You probably don't even play NB, you just afraid that you itty DK will be further nerfed.
Edited by LariahHunding on 4 June 2014 12:38"Give a man a sweet roll, he only has one to steal. Give him a sweet roll recipe, he have bunches to steal."
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Therium104✭✭✭gougefub17_ESO wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »There are GLARING problems with the Nightblade class that have presented itself to me in the past few days, the most noticeable is that apparently all Nightblades aren't equal. Hitting the same mob with Soul Siphon, another Nightblade guildie with equal magicka but less spell power was hitting for 100 harder per cast non crit. I don't even realize how this is possible, tested it many times too. I'm throwing in the towel on this game, it makes no sense to me at all.
You are the NB standard player. The norm. Another tactic is to compare your stamina based skills to caster on a sorc and dk.... then scream for class nerfs to sorc and dk and buffs to NB. At the same time NB casters are competitve with all classes but ignore this due to ignorance. I call it the NB "Tard Piviot".
Show us the build and the numbers. Otherwise, you are talking out you rear.
Like someone above, people make wild declarations about " You can do this..." but they never back up with builds, numbers etc.
And you telling that at NB caster can be as effective as a tuned Sorc caster. It's not even close.
At this state, a maxed out NB or Temp is about as a good as a average sorc or DK.
However, most NB's don't want to be a damn caster. If I wanted to be caster, I would roll a sorc. YOU want to pivot us into being a caster.
BTW, I appreciate you insulting my developmentally disabled family member.
EDIT: Most of use don't want other classes nerfed, we want ours fixed. You probably don't even play NB, you just afraid that you itty DK will be further nerfed.
Lol..... Wake up dude. NB are competitive with caster. It is just you are a low tier player screaming for buffs and/or nerfs due to a lack of ability. Learn to play. ZOS needs to accept that is what 99% of this garbage is and stop balancing the game for the bottom 2% of the player base. A vocal minority but a minority nonetheless.
Go talk to NB. Read up on guides. Find good players and talk abilities.....
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Beldorr✭✭✭My guild had an event last night for dps discussion/practice. We were practicing dps on mammoths and giants since they have a high health pool to get us closer to sustained damage numbers. It was nice having someone just tank the mob allowed players to not worry about dying to some big hits from the giant. People had also brought different jewelry (such as spell power set) for others to test out as well.
This was my best attempt on a giant outside riften last night. 2200 magicka, 44% spell crit, 7/7 light armor, restostaff. Rotation Priority: Impale (Target HP under 25%) > Crippling Grasp > Veil of Blades > Health Funnel/light attack. Turn off siphoning attacks when using impale. No potions, marked target or outside debuffs were used. I would expect higher dps on a boss since there is much more impale time. I usually heal in archives, but the dps posts on our forums show impale being 50%+ of the damage done by some of our 800+ dps NBs.
I couldn't break the 700 dps barrier with a bow (I did forget fighters guild ult looking back on it). 500-650 is pretty consistent but I don’t think I'd see 900 dps without a lot of impale time. I think the medium armor passives are just not as good as light armor. 21% crit is nice and all but mage light matches that. After that light armor gives ~50% spell pen and 21% cost reduction.
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Comaetilico✭✭✭Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »My guild had an event last night for dps discussion/practice. We were practicing dps on mammoths and giants since they have a high health pool to get us closer to sustained damage numbers. It was nice having someone just tank the mob allowed players to not worry about dying to some big hits from the giant. People had also brought different jewelry (such as spell power set) for others to test out as well.
This was my best attempt on a giant outside riften last night. 2200 magicka, 44% spell crit, 7/7 light armor, restostaff. Rotation Priority: Impale (Target HP under 25%) > Crippling Grasp > Veil of Blades > Health Funnel/light attack. Turn off siphoning attacks when using impale. No potions, marked target or outside debuffs were used. I would expect higher dps on a boss since there is much more impale time. I usually heal in archives, but the dps posts on our forums show impale being 50%+ of the damage done by some of our 800+ dps NBs.
I couldn't break the 700 dps barrier with a bow (I did forget fighters guild ult looking back on it). 500-650 is pretty consistent but I don’t think I'd see 900 dps without a lot of impale time. I think the medium armor passives are just not as good as light armor. 21% crit is nice and all but mage light matches that. After that light armor gives ~50% spell pen and 21% cost reduction.
mmm your crit chance is a bit low.. what set were you using? (aside from wise mage and worm cult that you should have one per raid the sugested set for caster dps is twilight embrace 5x + willow path 3x that is a 10% crit) where you weapon traited for crit? did you had PvP crit buff?
were you using consumbales? (for caster dps there is a really nice potion that give you magika + magika over time + 19 spellpower + 30% spell crit... those value should be increased by the NB potion effeciency passive so you should get an additional 3% crit out of it and a bit more spellpower... the buff alst 10 second with a 30sec CD)
last thing... based on what you wrote you have leeching strike always up... have you tried activatig it only when you need to recover? is the downtime of spamming a few light attack without skill every 10 seonds more DPS inefficent than the debuff on spellpower due to having it always on? have you tested with spell simmetry (equilibrium morph) + might of the guild passive? that is what I use as a sorc for magika recovery during DPS run... it not only give back a decent amount of magika in exchange for damage that can be healed by regen or allied funnel health... but thx to the last mage guild passive it also boost the spellpower of the next skill you use... I generaly use it every 3-4 skill just before popping up my highest damaging skill (crystal shard) don't know *** the passive worsk with dot so I don't know if you should pop it before cripple or before funnel health...
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Ilterendi✭✭✭Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »My guild had an event last night for dps discussion/practice. We were practicing dps on mammoths and giants since they have a high health pool to get us closer to sustained damage numbers. It was nice having someone just tank the mob allowed players to not worry about dying to some big hits from the giant. People had also brought different jewelry (such as spell power set) for others to test out as well.
This was my best attempt on a giant outside riften last night. 2200 magicka, 44% spell crit, 7/7 light armor, restostaff. Rotation Priority: Impale (Target HP under 25%) > Crippling Grasp > Veil of Blades > Health Funnel/light attack. Turn off siphoning attacks when using impale. No potions, marked target or outside debuffs were used. I would expect higher dps on a boss since there is much more impale time. I usually heal in archives, but the dps posts on our forums show impale being 50%+ of the damage done by some of our 800+ dps NBs.
I couldn't break the 700 dps barrier with a bow (I did forget fighters guild ult looking back on it). 500-650 is pretty consistent but I don’t think I'd see 900 dps without a lot of impale time. I think the medium armor passives are just not as good as light armor. 21% crit is nice and all but mage light matches that. After that light armor gives ~50% spell pen and 21% cost reduction.
This is where a majority of the problems lay. Your best dps parse was using RESTO RATION staff and light armor on a class that's stereotyped as the rogue/thief concept. I'm not saying it shouldn't be viable, it shouldn't be the only source of competition.0 -
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No consumables, mark target or outside debuffs were used. We don’t have anyone with worms set yet. So I believe I could do more dps picking up shadow mudus and using crit potions for a serious trial run.were you using consumbales?mmm your crit chance is a bit low.. what set were you using?
I have the thief mundus stone for crit and the willows path. My restostaff is attack speed and shield enchant from healing in pvp. I probably had a 6% crit from pvp, EP was active so I know I didn’t have the 8% crit.
I agree that 44% is rather low, and my gear is garbage imo. I need to craft vr12 willows, crit resto staff w/spell power enchant and the twilights set. I've just been rather lazy in finding people with 6 trait research. In the dps meter over 900 posted above I was using a guildie's spell enchanted ring/amulets so I would need to use these instead of my two armor jewlery and warlock ring. Overcharged spell resist and armor is just so damn nice in pvp. As you can see, I think my gear has a long way to go and 1k dps is very possible.Based on what you wrote you have leeching strike always up... have you tried activating it only when you need to recover?
I keep strikes on because it can’t keep you capped on mana. You can’t have a recovery phase with it, you would need to do restostaff heavy attacks which only gives 1 siphoning tick. It benefits from the light attacks animation weaving as well giving more resources for sustained. I had around 60% mana at the end of the fight I’ve gotten pretty lucky on some mammoth kills and left with 90% mana.
Spell symmetry is the next test I’ll be trying to push the barrier with since siphoning is being nerfed in 1.2.0 from their patch notes. I've not used it because it decreases survivability in pvp and pve. If I were to go all out glass cannon I would probably pick it up. Sorcs generate more self hps through their crit surge so it’s not as sketchy spending hp for mana. Health funnel doesn’t stack and heals two others for 125% of the damage so a NB may have higher hps, but not more self hps.
I highly doubt mage guild passive it works with dots. Based on teleport strike (NB ability ~+36% damage on next ability) only working with the first tick on soul assault. Man, if I could have buffed soul assault with 36% more damage I’d be a happy camper
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Thejollygreenone✭✭✭Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »My guild had an event last night for dps discussion/practice. We were practicing dps on mammoths and giants since they have a high health pool to get us closer to sustained damage numbers. It was nice having someone just tank the mob allowed players to not worry about dying to some big hits from the giant. People had also brought different jewelry (such as spell power set) for others to test out as well.
This was my best attempt on a giant outside riften last night. 2200 magicka, 44% spell crit, 7/7 light armor, restostaff. Rotation Priority: Impale (Target HP under 25%) > Crippling Grasp > Veil of Blades > Health Funnel/light attack. Turn off siphoning attacks when using impale. No potions, marked target or outside debuffs were used. I would expect higher dps on a boss since there is much more impale time. I usually heal in archives, but the dps posts on our forums show impale being 50%+ of the damage done by some of our 800+ dps NBs.
I couldn't break the 700 dps barrier with a bow (I did forget fighters guild ult looking back on it). 500-650 is pretty consistent but I don’t think I'd see 900 dps without a lot of impale time. I think the medium armor passives are just not as good as light armor. 21% crit is nice and all but mage light matches that. After that light armor gives ~50% spell pen and 21% cost reduction.
This is where a majority of the problems lay. Your best dps parse was using RESTO RATION staff and light armor on a class that's stereotyped as the rogue/thief concept. I'm not saying it shouldn't be viable, it shouldn't be the only source of competition.
while i agree with a lot of what's been said in this discussion regarding the disparity of classes, i think we more need solid numbers to compare to from DKs and sorcs. telling us a NB can do 800+ dps doesnt say much when we don't know for sure what maxed sorcs or dks are pulling. 1k? 1.5k?
anyway, back to what i meant to comment on, i've been using mammoths in whitemarch for awhile to test my dps, i use a bow mixed magicka/stamina build (i'll be happy to share details if anyones interested) my max has been 970ish with a weapon power/crit potion used. i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
still interested in what a DK or sorc is doing on those mammoths/giants though.
(edited for clarification)
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Thejollygreenone✭✭✭Thejollygreenone wrote: »i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
here's the link to a screenshot of the best i could do without potions in around 10 minutes of attempts (5medium/2light bow build)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p579/thejollygreenone/Screenshot_20140604_152115_zps7fb61d42.png0 -
Ilterendi✭✭✭Thejollygreenone wrote: »Thejollygreenone wrote: »i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
here's the link to a screenshot of the best i could do without potions in around 10 minutes of attempts (5medium/2light bow build)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p579/thejollygreenone/Screenshot_20140604_152115_zps7fb61d42.png
I for one would love to see your spec. Do you have any attempts using dw?0 -
Jaxom✭✭✭✭Thejollygreenone wrote: »Thejollygreenone wrote: »i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
here's the link to a screenshot of the best i could do without potions in around 10 minutes of attempts (5medium/2light bow build)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p579/thejollygreenone/Screenshot_20140604_152115_zps7fb61d42.png
I for one would love to see your spec. Do you have any attempts using dw?
Soul Assault is the main damage dealer by a large margin in that screen shot. Pull that out and the DPS is significantly lower. NB's were never bad at short bursts, we are terrible at sustained damage.1 -
Thejollygreenone✭✭✭Thejollygreenone wrote: »Thejollygreenone wrote: »i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
here's the link to a screenshot of the best i could do without potions in around 10 minutes of attempts (5medium/2light bow build)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p579/thejollygreenone/Screenshot_20140604_152115_zps7fb61d42.png
I for one would love to see your spec. Do you have any attempts using dw?
nah i never leveled the tree, i stick to bow/2h and have now picked up a destro staff at the request of a guild master.
as to my build, you can see some of what the abilities i use from the screenshot, but i'll clarify. poison injection-crippling grasp-silver bolts-impale-inner light=soul assault as ultimate. i also keep piercing mark on my second bar to keep on the target, so that counts as well.
1969 max magicka, 1895 max stamina, magicka recovery 64 stamina recovery 76.
spell damage is 133 weapon damage is 148, spell crit 48% with inner light, weapon crit is 38%.
shadow mundus stone, 5 divines pieces 2 infused for traits, 5 medium 2 light, willows 3-set night mothers 5-set.
i think that covers everything about the build, my rotation is basically throwing on piercing mark and weapon swapping back, poison injection and crippling grasp being put on, throw two silver bolts up then start soul assault, by the time that's finished my DoTs will be ready to refresh, so crippling grasp then poison injection following the end of soul assult, then spam bolts until i run low on stam or target hits 25% hp, at which point i will switch to spamming impale. if target hits 25% i won't worry about anything except poison injection and impale spamming, but otherwise am alternating resources and keeping DoTs up.
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Comaetilico✭✭✭Thejollygreenone wrote: »Thejollygreenone wrote: »i don't have a screenshot of that instance though so i'll go back now and do a little testing and see if i can show you guys what can be done with a bow.
here's the link to a screenshot of the best i could do without potions in around 10 minutes of attempts (5medium/2light bow build)
http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p579/thejollygreenone/Screenshot_20140604_152115_zps7fb61d42.png
I for one would love to see your spec. Do you have any attempts using dw?
Soul Assault is the main damage dealer by a large margin in that screen shot. Pull that out and the DPS is significantly lower. NB's were never bad at short bursts, we are terrible at sustained damage.
soul assoult is a big dps loss compared to other ultimates ^^'
while "per se" it seem to be a really huge damage skill you have to consider that you'r not using other skill for 4 seconds... so you actualy have to subtract from it's damage the damage you should be generating in that time frame... ^^'
it is a wonderfull skill for burst damage... and almost a sure kill in PvP but if we are talking about sustained dps it is really bad... vail of blades (even before the recent power up) is much better dps wise...Beldorrub17_ESO wrote: »
No consumables, mark target or outside debuffs were used. We don’t have anyone with worms set yet. So I believe I could do more dps picking up shadow mudus and using crit potions for a serious trial run.were you using consumbales?mmm your crit chance is a bit low.. what set were you using?
I have the thief mundus stone for crit and the willows path. My restostaff is attack speed and shield enchant from healing in pvp. I probably had a 6% crit from pvp, EP was active so I know I didn’t have the 8% crit.
I agree that 44% is rather low, and my gear is garbage imo. I need to craft vr12 willows, crit resto staff w/spell power enchant and the twilights set. I've just been rather lazy in finding people with 6 trait research. In the dps meter over 900 posted above I was using a guildie's spell enchanted ring/amulets so I would need to use these instead of my two armor jewlery and warlock ring. Overcharged spell resist and armor is just so damn nice in pvp. As you can see, I think my gear has a long way to go and 1k dps is very possible.Based on what you wrote you have leeching strike always up... have you tried activating it only when you need to recover?
I keep strikes on because it can’t keep you capped on mana. You can’t have a recovery phase with it, you would need to do restostaff heavy attacks which only gives 1 siphoning tick. It benefits from the light attacks animation weaving as well giving more resources for sustained. I had around 60% mana at the end of the fight I’ve gotten pretty lucky on some mammoth kills and left with 90% mana.
Spell symmetry is the next test I’ll be trying to push the barrier with since siphoning is being nerfed in 1.2.0 from their patch notes. I've not used it because it decreases survivability in pvp and pve. If I were to go all out glass cannon I would probably pick it up. Sorcs generate more self hps through their crit surge so it’s not as sketchy spending hp for mana. Health funnel doesn’t stack and heals two others for 125% of the damage so a NB may have higher hps, but not more self hps.
I highly doubt mage guild passive it works with dots. Based on teleport strike (NB ability ~+36% damage on next ability) only working with the first tick on soul assault. Man, if I could have buffed soul assault with 36% more damage I’d be a happy camper
ok this just match my math and my guildmates tests ^^ you should be able to go over 1k sustained dps with easy once you set you equip for dps rather than surviaval ^^ (well that is quite obvious... you can't get the best dps and survival at the same time :P ... unless you'r a DK obviously ^^' )
also... about the sorc self healing... it doesn't work under equilibrium ^^' and I'm only using surge in my AoE bar or in the finisher bar (to lessen the burden on healer for boss where there is scaling damage in the lasth phase...) where I don't have equilibrium (I just cast it twice before the burn phase than switch bar and pop up a potion for magika+increased power and cirt)
for PvP I never use equilibrium... also cause I run healer in PvP ^^' but for PvE... especialy large group PvE... it is a godsend ability... really quick magika recover and in most fight you don't take damage most of the time... you just need to get the timing for the aoe burst of the boss... if you fail and use equilibrium just prior to it... well things may go really bad ^^' but if you get the timing and hold yourself above 50% magika all the time than you can stop using it during those AoE intensive moment... also in large group content you'r likely to have some additional healing from other player funnel health, regen, cleansing rituals... and lot of other small healing that should be enough to conunter the frequent use of equilibrium...
about might of the guild not appling to dot... yep most likely it will not... like all other "single use" power buff... it's just worth to test (forgot to ask my guildmates to test it :P so I was using you for that :P :P :P :P ) but it still is a good buff for funnel health... you will not take as much benefit from it as a sorc casting cristal shard... but still a bonus is a bonus ^^ my standard rotation (well I'm usually quite elastinc on skill usage but this is the best case scenario rotation...) is Curse, shard, simmetry, shard .... curse get swapped with caltrops once every 30 seconds... as you can see I use equilibrium quite often... and this way I can hold my magika over 70% most of the fight... I don't pop potion on CD and usually save them for moments where i either ave difficults in using equilibrium (healing intensive moment) or for the final phase when I make the most out of the crit and power boost... I'm also thinking of using different potion for the normal fight and the execution phase swapping full recovery pot for normal fight in order to futher lessen the job of healer... yep... as an healer myself I always have those poor little guys in my toughts ^^0 -
Qael✭✭✭Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »Oh and Entropy Rising doesn't have a speed run with a Nightblade, at least not a remarkable one. I'm the fastest Nightblade through AA, there are way too many issues with this class that just don't add up. Game time expires in 6 days.
-Austin, Daggerfall Covenant Nightblade and Disgruntled Gamer... out.
Yes because Entropy Rising only has the best time since the patch to fix all of the broken specs. Try again.Edited by Qael on 5 June 2014 03:360 -
Therium104 wrote: »Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »There are GLARING problems with the Nightblade class that have presented itself to me in the past few days, the most noticeable is that apparently all Nightblades aren't equal. Hitting the same mob with Soul Siphon, another Nightblade guildie with equal magicka but less spell power was hitting for 100 harder per cast non crit. I don't even realize how this is possible, tested it many times too. I'm throwing in the towel on this game, it makes no sense to me at all.
You are the NB standard player. The norm. Another tactic is to compare your stamina based skills to caster on a sorc and dk.... then scream for class nerfs to sorc and dk and buffs to NB. At the same time NB casters are competitve with all classes but ignore this due to ignorance. I call it the NB "Tard Piviot".
Hey ***, read what I said. I didn't ask for nerfs to them, I ask that this class at least be similar across all races. When someone who has less spell power than me, and equal magicka is hitting 100 harder on the SAME EXACT SPELL WITH THE SAME EXACT BUILD (Except he is a BRETON [WHICH SHOULDN'T AFFECT DAMAGE]) then yeah the game is f'ing broke. Unfortunately you lack the intelligence to comprehend written word, dumb ***.
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Oh and NB standard player?
Forgot to add, go *** yaselfEdited by Shreptob14_ESO on 5 June 2014 04:281
