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[Suggestion] Getting Nightblade Caster on Par with other DPS
The Nightblade class in general isn't anywhere close to it's counterparts, specifically the Nightblade caster. As a Nightblade caster we have no access to spammable nukes, just dots, and therefore we fall behind a Sorcerer who can spam Crystal Fragments over and over.
Currently I run Scalding Rune as my nuke spell, but as a place-able spell and it's low damage, it's far from optimal. My other spells are Crippling Grasp, Twisted Path, Entropy, and Magelight. The problem here is all four have dots attached to them and have low initial damage if they have any at all. There is no spell to fill the nuke gap besides Scalding Rune, even with the mage guild passive that increases spell power by 20%.
We need access to another nuke... or... and keyword here being or.
We need Agony and it's morphs to at least be able to do damage to bosses, it doesn't even have to stun, but just do damage. If Agony could replace one of our worse dots, such as Entropy, then I believe our dps would rise significantly and be on par with other classes.
More importantly we just don't have access to useful spells like other classes. The whole Nightblade tree just doesn't pan out. It has most its roots in physical melee dps, but it all scales off magicka. I think it needs a serious overall, but this would be a nice place to start.
- Daggerfall First Aetherian Archives Nightblade - Austin
Currently I run Scalding Rune as my nuke spell, but as a place-able spell and it's low damage, it's far from optimal. My other spells are Crippling Grasp, Twisted Path, Entropy, and Magelight. The problem here is all four have dots attached to them and have low initial damage if they have any at all. There is no spell to fill the nuke gap besides Scalding Rune, even with the mage guild passive that increases spell power by 20%.
We need access to another nuke... or... and keyword here being or.
We need Agony and it's morphs to at least be able to do damage to bosses, it doesn't even have to stun, but just do damage. If Agony could replace one of our worse dots, such as Entropy, then I believe our dps would rise significantly and be on par with other classes.
More importantly we just don't have access to useful spells like other classes. The whole Nightblade tree just doesn't pan out. It has most its roots in physical melee dps, but it all scales off magicka. I think it needs a serious overall, but this would be a nice place to start.
- Daggerfall First Aetherian Archives Nightblade - Austin
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Selodaoc✭✭✭Would be nice to have NB on par in ST dps with their actual class skills..
Infact they should be superior in ST fights, and the best in face to face fights. But Nb is not even close to DK in meleeEdited by Selodaoc on 26 May 2014 16:072 -
ConciseRex✭✭Strife/Funnel Health/Swallow Soul is a pretty effective nuke in my opinion and I think it should scale of spell damage (Not 100% on that). The animation is pretty damn short allowing for it to be chained quickly.
Scalding Rune is the DoT morph so why not use Volcanic Rune as a nuke as you can have it replaced before the enemy has got up from the previous one?1 -
Selodaoc✭✭✭Wouldnt call strife a nuke since its a dot.
I would MUCH rather have a proper nuke instead of having to spam suprise attack with occasionaly using strife.
Make leeching/siphoning a passive without the dmg penalty
Give us more actualy attack skills in our class skills.
Bring up vieled strike dmg by 2x (hidden a bit less)
Beeing able to apply different kinds of poisons to our weapons to deal extra dmg/effects wouldnt be bad.
A reflectskill to counter magespam in PvP.0 -
ConciseRex✭✭Wouldnt call strife a nuke since its a dot.
I would MUCH rather have a proper nuke instead of having to spam suprise attack with occasionaly using strife.
Make leeching/siphoning a passive without the dmg penalty
Give us more actualy attack skills in our class skills.
Bring up vieled strike dmg by 2x (hidden a bit less)
Beeing able to apply different kinds of poisons to our weapons to deal extra dmg/effects wouldnt be bad.
A reflectskill to counter magespam in PvP.
Like the other guy said Strife is a nuke, just the heal is HoT.
I agree with most of your points other than the leeching being passive would be a bit much in my opinion.1 -
Selodaoc✭✭✭Ah i didnt know that, had been thinking it was strange there were no visible dmg ticks.
The thing with leeching and all our other skills is that it takes up alot of slots on our already limited hotbar.
Most use Shadowy, and with leeching, that only gives us 3 dmg skills.
It would be nice if we could have 7 skills on our bar, both for PvE and PvP.
In PvP i keep thining "if only i had one more slot for that skill, it would synergy better"0 -
Spectrasoul✭✭✭Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »The whole Nightblade tree just doesn't pan out. It has most its roots in physical melee dps, but it all scales off magicka.
- Daggerfall First Aetherian Archives Nightblade - Austin
I never got this either. Fine, if you want to run around in light armour + destro staff good on you, but most of us don't or else we would have picked a Sorc. Neither am I saying that we should be forced into being the stealthy rogue type either, not everybody wants that either. Right now though the only builds which are actually half decent are light armor based with destro staff.1 -
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Ilterendi✭✭✭Spectrasoul wrote: »Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »The whole Nightblade tree just doesn't pan out. It has most its roots in physical melee dps, but it all scales off magicka.
- Daggerfall First Aetherian Archives Nightblade - Austin
I never got this either. Fine, if you want to run around in light armour + destro staff good on you, but most of us don't or else we would have picked a Sorc. Neither am I saying that we should be forced into being the stealthy rogue type either, not everybody wants that either. Right now though the only builds which are actually half decent are light armor based with destro staff.
Same could be said about most classes with Light Armor and Destro/Resto combos. The staves are awesome, but melee abilities and stamina can't keep up with the efficiency clothes have. This is something affecting all classes and NEEDS to be looked at, prior to actual buffs to nightblade abilities. Nightblades need fixes. They need to work 100% properly so a stable and accurate assessment can be made on what buffs they may, or may not, need. Medium armor needs a serious reevaluation. It doesn't hold a candle to how efficient and smoothly Light Armor behaves.1 -
Ruddertail✭✭✭Would be nice to have NB on par in ST dps with their actual class skills..
Infact they should be superior in ST fights, and the best in face to face fights. But Nb is not even close to DK in melee
Nightblade has far, far more group utility and better class AoE than sorcerers. Why should they be better at single target too?3 -
Spectrasoul✭✭✭Medium armor needs a serious reevaluation. It doesn't hold a candle to how efficient and smoothly Light Armor behaves.
This is actually a very good point as well. In fact let's go one step further and actually say that a big issue is simply that Magicka is a better and overall more effective resource than Stamina. And this I believe stems from the fact that all class abilities are magicka based.0 -
I have no problem with the 'play as you like' mentality behind this game, but there is a reason why other classes excel at dps and we don't. DKs have such good synergy with a destro staff and burning mechanics that they can basically just roflstomp everything. Sorcerors have an incredibly strong nuke and a good dot, don't need much more than that. Templars have a great nuke as well.
Nightblades are left melee'ing due to class skills. (If you still only use one bar to dps then you're doing it wrong). I'm going to try out strife as a nuke but I already know it doesn't do nearly as much damage as crystal shards. DKs, Sorcs, and Temps can all reach 800 dps, and that is on the low end for a DK, but for a Nightblade 800 dps would be insane.
As far as light armor goes, the passives are much greater for dps than medium armor and heavy armor. Light armor has two direct buffs to dps and two resource buffing passives while Medium armor has two direct buffs and only one resource buffing passive. -Attack speed (Medium armor buff) is probably the least beneficial thing you could have seeing as most end game raiders with any bit of skill will be weaving in light attacks right before spell cast. You also could take into factor that even if you didn't do that you would still lose out on it's full benefit because 100% of the time you won't be attacking like a ranged character would and when you do cast a spell you take time away from attacking. Really this only benefits archers for the most part, but then again bows pretty much suck for Nightblade as they only have 1 decent move.0 -
Selodaoc✭✭✭Ruddertail wrote: »Nightblade has far, far more group utility and better class AoE than sorcerers. Why should they be better at single target too?
Que? What class AoE? What group utility does NB provide that other classes dont do better?2 -
Therium104✭✭✭Spectrasoul wrote: »Shreptob14_ESO wrote: »The whole Nightblade tree just doesn't pan out. It has most its roots in physical melee dps, but it all scales off magicka.
- Daggerfall First Aetherian Archives Nightblade - Austin
I never got this either. Fine, if you want to run around in light armour + destro staff good on you, but most of us don't or else we would have picked a Sorc. Neither am I saying that we should be forced into being the stealthy rogue type either, not everybody wants that either. Right now though the only builds which are actually half decent are light armor based with destro staff.
Ahhh. You just want easy mode no matter what you choose to play. Lol.0 -
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Ahhh. You just want easy mode no matter what you choose to play. Lol.
Err.. Wut?
What I want is a class which is competitive with the others. I am amazed how you managed to interpret that as wanting "EZ mode"
If I wanted easy mode I've have rerolled Dragon Knight and forgotten all about NB and never come to these forums to discuss the issues.
So, in your own truly inspiring and insightful words..Therium104 wrote: »[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Flaming]
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Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Ruddertail wrote: »Nightblade has far, far more group utility and better class AoE than sorcerers. Why should they be better at single target too?
Que? What class AoE? What group utility does NB provide that other classes dont do better?
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Ignore the troll.
He's still sooking over the bash fix and is now getting his butt kicked on his DK LOOOOOOL...Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 3 June 2014 12:390 -
Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade does have great AoE. Siphoning Strikes, Sap Essence (insane ultimate generation right now) and Veil of Blades give us great AoE, if you are a caster and you are wearing light armor. Throw in Impulse and Mage Light and it's very nice. Of course leather, dw and bow should be viable too though.Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
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Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
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Baphomet✭✭✭✭✭
✭You can get strife to crit for over 600 dmg, it's an instant cast, it can be weaved with light attack and it heals you + generate good ult. Some of the best dps in game when taking resource cost into consideration. Furthermore, with the crit bonuses nightblades get it is will crit very often.
Case closed.
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Therium104✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Ruddertail wrote: »Nightblade has far, far more group utility and better class AoE than sorcerers. Why should they be better at single target too?
Que? What class AoE? What group utility does NB provide that other classes dont do better?
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Ignore the troll.
He's still sooking over the bash fix and is now getting his butt kicked on his DK LOOOOOOL...
Wow. You posted another comment with no facts and all opinion. Nice job!!! At least you are consistent.
On a more serious note I am very concerned about how overpowered NB is currently. The class is solo content that is intended for groups. I hope the devs nerf NB soon and fix this. You know... apply the same standard to the class you play. Right?Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 3 June 2014 12:390 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?1 -
Therium104✭✭✭Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
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Worstluck✭✭✭✭✭You can get strife to crit for over 600 dmg, it's an instant cast, it can be weaved with light attack and it heals you + generate good ult. Some of the best dps in game when taking resource cost into consideration. Furthermore, with the crit bonuses nightblades get it is will crit very often.
Case closed.
Do you take swallow soul or funnel health? I am currently using funnel health for some slight group utility and I believe the healing is generating good ultimate yeah?
And none of this changes the fact that light armor and staves are out of balance, for all classes (well maybe not templars, sorry). NB's aren't op, but they aren't as useless as many make them out to be. They need fixes and a few better skills (agony, haste, blur???). I am waiting for the day I see leather, dw and bow in a trials run.Edited by Worstluck on 1 June 2014 01:01Worstluck - Breton Nightblade "Some of us refused to bow. We knew the old ways would lead us back to having a kingdom of our own."
―Madanach
Elfluck - Dunmer Dragonknight "When I will walk the earth again, the Faithful among you shall receive your reward: to be set above all other mortals forever. As for the rest: the weak shall be winnowed: the timid shall be cast down: the mighty shall tremble at my feet and pray for pardon."
―Mehrunes Dagon
Deadluck -Imperial Templar "Men are but flesh and blood. They know their doom, but not the hour"
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Comaetilico✭✭✭this tread make me lol so much...
nightblade (like all other classes) is a really good caster dps...
strife, one of the best skill in the cost/castingtime/damage ratio... it's not a big hitter like crystal shard... but it's much more economic and this allow to higher sustain...
cripple... the hardest hitting dot in the game and with a good duration (not too much long to be useless on adds nor too short to need to be reapplied every few skills...
add to this high spell power... and high spell crit (NB spell crit is second only to DK using flames of oblivion... since Sorc can't get the 15% from exploitation on bosses)
impale (ranged morph for their execution) have the only malus of critting out of weapon crit... but it's damage is high enough that you can spam it without problem during execution phase without loosing too much to sorc spamming mage wrath
magika recovery... you can either use equilibrium like most other caster dps (yes even sorc use that rather than their own class skill since it's faster to use and also have the increased spellpower bonus form the might of the guild passive) or use your leeching strike... AND NOT havint it turned on all the time... but only activating it for a couple of light attack (or heavy if you'r using the resto staff... that as a caster you SHOULD BE USING) to recover a good magika pool... than turn it off and go back to skill spam...
all those ability use spell power... get that to 130+ (easy to reach with purple+ enchant on vr10+ jewels) get the 10% bonus damage from resto staff and learn to wave light attack between your skill... than you can see what a caster dps is... and you will find your number be on the same level of those of a sorc... an slightly behind those of a DK...
the only real problem for caster NB is ultimate... hey got a pretty strong survival ulti in the shadow line... but for dps the good on is in assassination... but it is melee range and doesn't crit on spell power... you can still use soul assault or meteor... they are surely behind the damage of atro or banner but still good for single target...0 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
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Ilterendi✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.0 -
Therium104✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
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Thejollygreenone✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
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Competitive with DK's supposed 3k single target dps? I'd like to see some proof of that. I'm not sure where your notion that NB is in any way OP came from, but some elaboration would help.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 3 June 2014 12:430 -
Ilterendi✭✭✭Therium104 wrote: »Therium104 wrote: »Yes one nightblade solo'd content that is meant for groups. It took him much longer than it has taken sorcerers and dragonknights to do the same. Why are you arguing that only the nightblade should be nerfed?
Please apply the same criteria to your class as others. Also, stop making excuses for being OP. The devs obviously need to nerf NB. Look at the evidence.
I'm not arguing for any classed to be nerfed. I don't understand why you think that Nightblades are the only class that needs to be nerfed and I'm not sure any of them need to be "nerfed'. Better balance, particularly with adding stamina based weapons and skills would help all the classes for people who prefer that. The only "evidence" you have provided is this one video. And you choose to ignore the ones about DKs and Sorcerers? All I'm pointing out is that one video in which a nightblade manages to solo a 4 man delve does not a good argument make. So why are you arguing that only nightblades should be nerfed, shouldn't this arguent also be applied to DK's and Sorcerers.
I also don't understand why you choose to think I'm making an argument I'm not making. If you are going to apply your logic, don't say it only applies to nightblades. That is just plain wrong arguing.
It's because he's trolling, or just that ignorant. I prefer to believe that he's trolling as my faith in humanity can't take much more abuse..
Nightblades are in a bad situation right now. Lots of bugs, abilities that just aren't useful. The real issues are the fact that medium armor and stamina based weapons suck in comparison to light armor and staves. Nightblades need fixes and the devs need to watch it afterwards to see if buffs are truly needed. I think some are, but not in the seemingly overabundance of requests and demands. The poster a few above me detailed a fairly workable caster build, though most Nightblades would prefer the DW / Bow - medium armor play style which is just subpar for all classes currently.
Really? You use the best combo for the situation. NB is fine. Has competitive builds.
The issues with stamina and magicka impact all classes. A nerf to one impacts them all. Just because you like to dw and use a bow has no relevance regarding balancing the classes.
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I can't take your posts seriously. I just feel bad for your home life, if you feel the need to spend time trolling here.
As for competitive builds. If you're talking about healing then yes. If you're talking dps then no, hell no. The caster build I was referring to was something one could use to at least not be useless, nightblade is far from competitive. This may deserve buffs but with us being in such a broken state its hard to tell. Nightblades need fixes first then a revaluation. But if you refuse to believe that that's cool. Keep burying your head in the sand.
Also saying that I prefer a broken imbalanced game; no. This game is terribly far from being balanced. I did not ask for any nerfs to anything whatsoever. Instead I stated that there's an overabundance of players using light armor and staves because medium armor and stamina based weapons suck. But obviously your reading level isn't high enough to comprehend that.
These forums need an ignore function.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 3 June 2014 12:430 -
Aoifesan✭✭✭Ruddertail wrote: »Would be nice to have NB on par in ST dps with their actual class skills..
Infact they should be superior in ST fights, and the best in face to face fights. But Nb is not even close to DK in melee
Nightblade has far, far more group utility and better class AoE than sorcerers. Why should they be better at single target too?
They are as good or better at AoE as a sorceror, and they are hybrid, mana / stamina batteries.
I've been doing the multi-mob craglorn thing, and I JUST specc'd into DW to get Cyclone of Steel (the 10m aoe spin). With the top siphon hitting 9 targets It gives a 99% buff to weapon damage. So Bar for AoE is, Killer Blade, Volcanic Rune, (Tier 5 Siphon), Cyclone of Steel (or whatever the AoE DB is), Siphoning strikes.
Use tier 5 siphon after VR, then Cyclone and then siphon5 then cyclone, reapply VR, etc. You can do DPS numbers not counting stealth openers of 450(with few mobs) to 1200 with 9+mobs.
You can throw in veil of blades at will most times too, because of all the siphon strikes hit you get from ALL your abilities.0
