ZOS Ignore at your peril

Stratti · June 2014

Nerf should be to volcanic rune .
But yeah if it works better to buff up melee and Stam a little rather than bring back the magicka then so be it

My thing is balance and now it is so far out of balance that we all will be mages or be crazy

Yankee · June 2014

Making it so in addition to melee playstyle struggling in VR to having the mage playstlye (destro staff/mage guild skills) sharing that misery will only result in too few players bothering to do VR.

That is my prediction and all I was trying to put forth.

But I guess I have beat that poor horse to death, sorry.

nerevarine1138 · June 2014

Yankee wrote: »

Making it so in addition to melee playstyle struggling in VR to having the mage playstlye (destro staff/mage guild skills) sharing that misery will only result in too few players bothering to do VR.

That is my prediction and all I was trying to put forth.

But I guess I have beat that poor horse to death, sorry.

Melee isn't "struggling." Melee is balanced to the content. Destro staff skill/synergies are allowing players to solo 12-player group content.

Mablung · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Nerf should be to volcanic rune .

OH EM GEE....I think you and I should be besties 4 life.

Reykice · June 2014

Dk`s Sorcerers and NB`s not do the SAME DAMAGE. THE SAME.

So if you feel weak... its because before you did twice the damage a nb/sorc could do.

The only class that needs a damage buff now is the templar... i`m sure they will get it.

So OP: before you were using broken abilities that made you a God... now you are just on the same level as Sorcs/NB`s...

So if you feel a sorc with a destro staff is doing better... grab a destro staff and do it too.

Sakiri · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I am looking at the skill now.
It reinforces the issue though does it now.
Is there anything even close in the fighters guild. Should we be pursuing these things instead of building real melee builds. What happens to the game when hardly anyone cares to be a tank anymore ?
I think this is the question that plagued WoW and still does . Seems ESO has begun badly in this regard

No, tanks are rare in wow because of jackholes, nothing with whats in this thread.

Former paladin, dk, druid and warrior tank here. Player attitudes in need of adjustment are what killed tank numbers. Nothing else.

Certainly not abilities any class can have.

Think of it like Dragons Breath from Warrior talent tree. Does damn near same thing. And that was in my tank build.

Yankee · June 2014

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

Making it so in addition to melee playstyle struggling in VR to having the mage playstlye (destro staff/mage guild skills) sharing that misery will only result in too few players bothering to do VR.

That is my prediction and all I was trying to put forth.

But I guess I have beat that poor horse to death, sorry.

Melee isn't "struggling." Melee is balanced to the content. Destro staff skill/synergies are allowing players to solo 12-player group content.

Don't know about the solo 12 member content nor really agree that your average melee player is not struggling in VR.

But I give up. ZOS should continue to keep VR difficulty what it is, continue to restrict everyone to forced leveling through it, and nerf builds that are effective to accomplish that.

Then time will tell what happens.

Fairydragon3 · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

That is a ridiculous thread ?
Please explain why this is ridiculous and I did read them and I saw no improvement.

Plus I think you should read the code on conduct regarding flaming.
I guess you think it is balanced is that it?

no i agree with him, Titles are very important and will set the tone for the entire thread. this is a balance thread, but no balance is mentioned in the title, if anything I bet you are violating COC. Creating duplicate thread, misleading title which usually lead to flamers trolls, etc. pretty much it takes an action to instigate a reaction. Two to Tango. Choose your actions(in this case words) carefully

KaedianEQ · June 2014

I'm trying to get why the tank thinks the glass cannon dps shouldn't do more dps than said tank.

Sakiri · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

First of all, this is a player forum with Moderators. ZeniMax developers, etc., have better things to spend their time on then reading butthurt threads by the user base. (They may show up if a specific issue is pointed out to them that may require an official reply/response).

Second, if you want to send a comment, complaint, or information to ZeniMax officially, use the /feedback function in the game. That is why it is there.

I suggest you lose the term but hurt from your vernacular , honestly only children say that and it isn't the best visualisation or implication either.

Aside from that - General discussion is for ... General discussion. I am not sure what you are saying perhaps it is that we should t discuss the game .

P.S. Seriously you do know what but hurt refers to?

Youre the one getting bent ou of shape and threatening a forum of wow haters with going back to wc3: the mmo expansion because of an ability you can get.

You too, can softcap magicka regen in plate.

Stratti · June 2014

Sakiri wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

JessieColtub17_ESO wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

First of all, this is a player forum with Moderators. ZeniMax developers, etc., have better things to spend their time on then reading butthurt threads by the user base. (They may show up if a specific issue is pointed out to them that may require an official reply/response).

Second, if you want to send a comment, complaint, or information to ZeniMax officially, use the /feedback function in the game. That is why it is there.

I suggest you lose the term but hurt from your vernacular , honestly only children say that and it isn't the best visualisation or implication either.

Aside from that - General discussion is for ... General discussion. I am not sure what you are saying perhaps it is that we should t discuss the game .

P.S. Seriously you do know what but hurt refers to?

Youre the one getting bent ou of shape and threatening a forum of wow haters with going back to wc3: the mmo expansion because of an ability you can get.

You too, can softcap magicka regen in plate.

It's lost on you - it's ok don't worry . If you don't understand that balance is out then I cannot help you.

ErykGrimm · June 2014

KaedianEQ wrote: »

I'm trying to get why the tank thinks the glass cannon dps shouldn't do more dps than said tank.

Because the "glass cannon" tanks better than the tank too. Because a dress provides more substantial protection overall, than a set of heavy armor. Im trying to get how that makes sense. Riddle me that, Batman.

Stratti · June 2014

ErykGrimm wrote: »

KaedianEQ wrote: »

I'm trying to get why the tank thinks the glass cannon dps shouldn't do more dps than said tank.

Because the "glass cannon" tanks better than the tank too. Because a dress provides more substantial protection overall, than a set of heavy armor. Im trying to get how that makes sense. Riddle me that, Batman.

And as I watch this OP toon in front of me I can't help but wonder whether a complete rebuild is worthy - I mean complete to match this OP wonder - hence why I started this thread

Do we want to see a game of mages - hog warts castle - Mage online all nothing but 7/7 Light with the occasional die hard like me clinging to melee

This would be a sad day for the game

Zos ignore at their peril

Stratti · June 2014

Sakiri wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I am looking at the skill now.
It reinforces the issue though does it now.
Is there anything even close in the fighters guild. Should we be pursuing these things instead of building real melee builds. What happens to the game when hardly anyone cares to be a tank anymore ?
I think this is the question that plagued WoW and still does . Seems ESO has begun badly in this regard

No, tanks are rare in wow because of jackholes, nothing with whats in this thread.

Former paladin, dk, druid and warrior tank here. Player attitudes in need of adjustment are what killed tank numbers. Nothing else.

Certainly not abilities any class can have.

Think of it like Dragons Breath from Warrior talent tree. Does damn near same thing. And that was in my tank build.

I also tanked in Wow since late vanilla and I agree - the community killed it.

I draw a parallel to WoW because the shortage of tanks made them change the game significantly with no real result (scenarios etc )

ESO is set up worse as the shortage of tanks is because of flawed melee v caster balance ; magicka v Stam balance

I guess all the magicka might lose their minds here in response the start a new thread complaining about lack of tanks never ever connecting the two

Mortosk · June 2014

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

Well, 1 thing I think will happen is they will nerf sorcerers. And, when the sorcerer nerf does come down, it will be epic. No, legendary.
It will be the nerf to end all nerfs.

Sorry you got nerfed bro, but DK is still 10x better than Templar and Nightblade, so I can't really feel too much sympathy.

I'm pretty sure their strategy is to make everyone suck like we do. Templars that is. That should make the game super duper fun for everyone, and then ZOS can proclaim it is balanced.

Stratti · June 2014

Mortosk wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

Well, 1 thing I think will happen is they will nerf sorcerers. And, when the sorcerer nerf does come down, it will be epic. No, legendary.
It will be the nerf to end all nerfs.

Sorry you got nerfed bro, but DK is still 10x better than Templar and Nightblade, so I can't really feel too much sympathy.

I'm pretty sure their strategy is to make everyone suck like we do. Templars that is. That should make the game super duper fun for everyone, and then ZOS can proclaim it is balanced.

This is true .
No wonder there aren't many healers out there who are Templar - geez

How can a company drop the ball like that when so much else is world class

ZiRM · June 2014

Now people are crying about nerfing Guild skills like Volcanic rune? LOL Everyone can use that skill.... Waaaaa NERF the skills everyone has access to because?
Oh let me guess you don't have enough spaces on your skill bars.
You don't want to take the time to level Mages Guild skills?
Mages guild skills don't fit into your RPing experience so therefore everyone must suffer?

Stratti · June 2014

NiRN wrote: »

Now people are crying about nerfing Guild skills like Volcanic rune? LOL Everyone can use that skill.... Waaaaa NERF the skills everyone has access to because?
Oh let me guess you don't have enough spaces on your skill bars.
You don't want to take the time to level Mages Guild skills?
Mages guild skills don't fit into your RPing experience so therefore everyone must suffer?

Is that your contribution to the concern that this game is becoming homogenised where the only viable option is Mage with dest staff . Feel free to comment in the volcanic rune thread although this response of yours has been discussed.

Your post was personal in nature as well not that I care but there is no need for that

ErykGrimm · June 2014

NiRN wrote: »

Now people are crying about nerfing Guild skills like Volcanic rune? LOL Everyone can use that skill.... Waaaaa NERF the skills everyone has access to because?
Oh let me guess you don't have enough spaces on your skill bars.
You don't want to take the time to level Mages Guild skills?
Mages guild skills don't fit into your RPing experience so therefore everyone must suffer?

Nothing is safe. The nerf train has departed. Every class is going to see nerfs before anything gets fixed. Its kind of funny though. You are surprised that a skill that works is gonna be targeted for nerfs. Too good.