ZOS Ignore at your peril

Stratti

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

nerevarine1138

So... read the 1.2 patch notes yet?

P.S. Ridiculous thread titles do not make ZO employees more likely to read ridiculous threads.

Sihnfahl

Sword and Board DK? I had no problem in V5+ areas soloing to V10.

What's your gear and spec look like? How about action bar sets?

Stratti

That is a ridiculous thread ?
Please explain why this is ridiculous and I did read them and I saw no improvement.

Plus I think you should read the code on conduct regarding flaming.
I guess you think it is balanced is that it?

Wintersage

My Templar says HTFU.

ZiRM

Ooooooo Ominous!

Commonpain

redundancy is ridiculous

mmh... somehow this thread reminds me of another recently opened thread... aah yes there it was

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107306/dragon-knights-to-weak

Stratti

Commonpain wrote: »

redundancy is ridiculous

mmh... somehow this thread reminds me of another recently opened thread... aah yes there it was

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/107306/dragon-knights-to-weak

yes so a thread about sorcerers being overpowered

And a thread about dragon knights being under powered

Is the same thing - redundant even

Let me guess I am missing something here

Sorcerers are OP way too far . Simple . plain. I don't much care if they fix it. If it becomes more annoying I will find another game as I'm sure many many people will as well. Which will leave it to all you sorcerers to run around OP and you won't have to worry about someone suggesting a nerf as you will be the only class in a very lonely game

nerevarine1138

Again.

1.2 patch notes. You clearly haven't read them. So once you have, this thread will have a point.

Yankee

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

For sure the "sorcerer flame staff" build can be used by any class, and arguably works even better for a DK. But with weapon swap and more than enough skill points/gear it does not stop people from having a decent healing, tanking, or single target DPS bar.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

This will not be a long post. I will not give you complicated convoluted reasoning. This game is becoming not fun at V5. I play a DK Sword and Board of which you nerfed down to the ground with a Bow off spec . I notice sorcerers around me lowing through trash mobs - spamming a mass lift and drop stun every so often and I got to say.

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

For me it is close
Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

Sorry but if your in tank spec then you should only should be able to take a lot of dmg, not take a whole load of dmg AND dps ? how would that be balanced ?

Stratti

Yankee wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Edit : no wonder all you see is sorcerer flame staff hardly any healers or tanks . GG

You do realize that the "sorcerer flame staff" build can be used by any class, and arguably works even better for a DK? And with weapon swap it does not stop people from having a healing bar.

I have no doubt that I can build an OP - Flame staff minus the mass stun on a short cool down. I could respec re grind some of the abilities etc and stop playing a tank. I am sure many tanks are contemplating it.

I didn't roll the toon to play a sorcerer or any other caster. Perhaps that's how the game will go mainly casters and the odd tank here and there. Not really what I had in mind for my next MMO.

Not to say I am not enjoying it as I am greatly - I just don't like what i see in terms of distribution of classes - this is the result of having wildly unbalanced builds like the popular sorcerer one

ZOs can ignore but it will be at their peril

Stratti

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Sword and Board DK? I had no problem in V5+ areas soloing to V10.

What's your gear and spec look like? How about action bar sets?

I assume pre nerf

I have no problem per se.

Just when I witness another class absolutely steam roll well.... That is the point .
Sorcerers are OP particular with flame staff. They steam roll 3 mobs where I have to work hard.

I don't mind but it will ruin the game as most people wont be purists and will switch it up to get the OP goodness

ErykGrimm

Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.

Stratti

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.

Agreed.
Hence the thread they need to balance it before the vast bulk locks in this build and the game becomes a staff and robe fest - this would kill any MMO let alone a baby one like eso

Sihnfahl

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

I assume pre nerf

Nope. They nerfed bash two weeks ago. I was still V7, almost V8.

zgrssd

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

I think you missunderstand something: You don't need to give us a reason why you want to leave. If you don't want to play, don't play. I won't have a problem with it. It's one of the reasons "I quit" posts are against the TOS. Nobody is interested and nobody is helped by your post.

People who try to start balancing discussions with "the game is so unfair I am planning to quit", those I do have a problem with.
Whatever you intention was, with that sentence you pretty much shoot yourself into the "trying to get attention regardless how wrong the point is" territory.
If that was not your intention, you should start over.

Stratti

Your post assumed I am having trouble. I am not . By the 4th mob without an ultimate I am. Largely it isn't difficult particular with a bow as second spec.

The point is sorcerer abilities and the regen of the LA with the dps of the staff is too OP to the point where I don't feel it is viable to play as anything else except if you really want to. I do really want to and will but I fear I am in the minority and this game will turn into Hogwarts with nothing but mages with robes and staffs

Endolith

Furthermore, can anyone who even considers playing WoW be taken seriously?

Stratti

zgrssd wrote: »

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

What the hell. You nerf a little dps on the bash and allow sorcerers to absolutely destroy . Good luck with the game - I am contemplating either cancelling my tank altogether and re rolling something else or alternatively returning to warcraft. The lack of balance is shocking and must be addressed before it gets to be a deal breaker.

I think you missunderstand something: You don't need to give us a reason why you want to leave. If you don't want to play, don't play. I won't have a problem with it. It's one of the reasons "I quit" posts are against the TOS. Nobody is interested and nobody is helped by your post.

People who try to start balancing discussions with "the game is so unfair I am planning to quit", those I do have a problem with.
Whatever you intention was, with that sentence you pretty much shoot yourself into the "trying to get attention regardless how wrong the point is" territory.
If that was not your intention, you should start over.

Hmmm

Perhaps I suggest to read the post and edit your response. It isn't in line with the OP and certainly not with what I expressed or believe.

My fear is this game becoming a goo of mages
I would never go that road and would quit if it did become bad
Right now I love the game but I am sad to see this happening

It's ok I don't blame you, most people these days cannot read they scan and hence can miss the entire point

Yankee

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.

This is true. But many people use it in VR because it works and avoids death on 3 mob pulls.

And why do people link the destro staff AoE build to "OP" Sorcerer class. Any class can use it so maybe whenever they see it they think the cloth wearing player is a Sorcerer class?

The Sorc does not even have any really good class AoE abilities. About all we have is Crystal Fragments that is decent single target IMO. People want to nerf that?

That AoE build uses mostly destro staff and mage skills with light armor passives. The only class skill required is some sort of heal or mitigation shield. And if you keep the mobs knocked down with Volcanic Rune not even much heal is needed.

And also, why do people call for nerfs on that build that works (and even more ludicrous, nerfs to the Sorcerer class) instead of for buffs on stamina builds?

Stratti

Yankee wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.

This is true. But many people use it in VR because it works and avoids death on 3 mob pulls.

And why do people link the destro staff AoE build to "OP" Sorcerer class. Any class can use it so maybe whenever they see it they think it is a Sorcerer class?

That build uses mostly destro staff and mage skills with light armor passives. The only clsss skill required is some sort of heal. And if you keep the mobs knocked down with Volcanic Rune not even much heal is needed.

And also, why do people call for nerfs on that build that works (and even more ludicrous, nerfs to the Sorcerer class) instead of for buffs on stamina builds?

The ability I was referring to was a mass raise in the air and drop to stun that was close to spam able. Not sure of the particulars but it's is too OP and needs a serious balance

And Yankee you have a good point and one I must agree with on reflection. Buff stamina builds instead seems a better way to do it.

Yankee

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Yankee wrote: »

ErykGrimm wrote: »

Its not the class itself that OP or UP. It is the fact that light armor and staff are the best builds for every single class. That is where the biggest imbalance lays.

This is true. But many people use it in VR because it works and avoids death on 3 mob pulls.

And why do people link the destro staff AoE build to "OP" Sorcerer class. Any class can use it so maybe whenever they see it they think it is a Sorcerer class?

That build uses mostly destro staff and mage skills with light armor passives. The only clsss skill required is some sort of heal. And if you keep the mobs knocked down with Volcanic Rune not even much heal is needed.

And also, why do people call for nerfs on that build that works (and even more ludicrous, nerfs to the Sorcerer class) instead of for buffs on stamina builds?

The ability I was referring to was a mass raise in the air and drop to stun that was close to spam able. Not sure of the particulars but it's is too OP and needs a serious balance

And Yankee you have a good point and one I must agree with on reflection. Buff stamina builds instead seems a better way to do it.

What you saw was probably Volcanic Rune, which is a morphed Mage guild skill.
The should not nerf it because anyone can use it if they want to dedicate the skill slot.

vyal

And it's costly, if you consider Dark Talons costly, from a Magicka perspective.
The real problem is that armor is pretty much meaningless, when you can keep every mob not a dungeon boss permanently CC'd.
So, you might as well go with light armor, and break out the Volcanic Rune and spam Impulse.
It's what all the cool kids are doing.

LariahHunding

Actually it's from the mages guild, don't even need a staff to use it.

Yankee

vyal wrote: »

And it's costly, if you consider Dark Talons costly, from a Magicka perspective.
The real problem is that armor is pretty much meaningless, when you can keep every mob not a dungeon boss permanently CC'd.
So, you might as well go with light armor, and break out the Volcanic Rune and spam Impulse.
It's what all the cool kids are doing.

Agree, but that is because it works. And you have to keep the mobs CCed wearing cloth, or have lots of healing going on.

My point was that nerfing that stuff is going to do nothing to help stamina builds.

Unless the whole point of people calling it OP just want to watch the impulse build people die too. That does not make sense to me, just seems spiteful.

Stratti

I am looking at the skill now.
It reinforces the issue though does it now.
Is there anything even close in the fighters guild. Should we be pursuing these things instead of building real melee builds. What happens to the game when hardly anyone cares to be a tank anymore ?
I think this is the question that plagued WoW and still does . Seems ESO has begun badly in this regard

Stratti

Yankee wrote: »

vyal wrote: »

And it's costly, if you consider Dark Talons costly, from a Magicka perspective.
The real problem is that armor is pretty much meaningless, when you can keep every mob not a dungeon boss permanently CC'd.
So, you might as well go with light armor, and break out the Volcanic Rune and spam Impulse.
It's what all the cool kids are doing.

Agree, but that is because it works. And you have to keep the mobs CCed wearing cloth, or have lots of healing going on.

My point was that nerfing that stuff is going to do nothing to help stamina builds.

Unless the whole point of people calling it OP just want to watch the impulse build people die too. That does not make sense to me, just seems spiteful.

Spiteful is perhaps a strong word. If a build is OP it must be nerfed or the game will be unbalanced and players will exploit the build and ruin the long term viability of classes . This is an opinion I guess in as far as the Big Bang could be. It is basic game logic as old as the first MMO

If all the cool kids want to do one thing that makes the game easily beaten then they will however the game will be ruined in the process

BuggeX

Darius OP? Better nerf Irelia.

Mby the Devs from Riot are working also for Zeni?

deacon13

Well actually its a true title . NERFS kill games . They always have . Tho why a DK would even begin to cry on the forums is beyond me .

The guy who posted this needs to look at some of the You Tube Vids of DKs .

Leesha

ss.ioannidisnrb18_ESO wrote: »

Sihnfahl wrote: »

Sword and Board DK? I had no problem in V5+ areas soloing to V10.

What's your gear and spec look like? How about action bar sets?

I assume pre nerf

I have no problem per se.

Just when I witness another class absolutely steam roll well.... That is the point .
Sorcerers are OP particular with flame staff. They steam roll 3 mobs where I have to work hard.

I don't mind but it will ruin the game as most people wont be purists and will switch it up to get the OP goodness

Maybe you should reword your complaint. It is not the sorc class that is op, it is the light armor set with destruction flame staff you seem to have an issue with. None of the sorc class abilities are particularly op unless you listen to the anti bolt escape pvp crowd.

I play a sorc with flame staff (and all light armor) and I certainly cannot take on 3 mobs in VR2 content. Even switching to restoration staff for heals, I still die and die fast unless I use my ultimate. I sometimes barely get by when I pull 2 while I see DKs STILL pulling multiples and steamrolling them after the patch. I am not using whatever build most sorcs are using and it certainly would make things easier on me but I prefer to use what I find fun.

Considering anyone can play with any weapon, any armor and make any build they choose, calling one class op is a bit silly. Any class should be able to pull very good dps in light armor because they cannot take the hits so things need to die fast. Asking for the same damage output while wearing heavy armor and a shield is silly because that would be super op. Tanks are supposed to be the meat shields to absorb the hits while the squishy ones do the killing.