All i know is when i play in the morning its fine. When i play at night its a disaster. Since beta =/ no good

Cogo wrote: »

What else do you want?!!?!

How about a game that works as promised?? Just because "you" do not have issues, does not mean others are not, and judging by the amount of posts from pissed off players.....you are the minority. I do have to hand it to you @Cogo you are by far one of the top 5 defenders of this game and Zenimax. I wonder what Zeni would have to do to this game for you to actually be truly critical of them.

If you are having trouble with Lag in cyrodiil, I would suggest not playing in a zerg party in Wabbajack.

I personally have never experienced significant lag that lasted more than a couple of seconds in cyrodiil, and I pvp a lot.

People complain about population capping? there are several borderline deserted campaigns. Why not just drag yourself to one with a lower population? At the very least guest in one until they fix any lag issues that exist.

Its like people are thinking "this doesn't work, so I'm going to keep trying it and get frustrated and rage about it when it doesn't work."

Be patient!

@Avidus‌
The thing is, everything you're saying is part of why so many of us are complaining.

To begin with, the game was specifically marketed for having "mass pvp" with up to "hundreds of players on screen" at once, and a lot of ppl bought into it because of that. Lately on Wabba you can't have more than about 20 ppl total skirmishing on screen without most of them suffering massive server-side lag. Sure, the "game's only been live for 2 months", but guess what - it was in beta for a year before that.

So while yes, some lag issues can be avoided by joining low populated campaigns, that's just not fun or appealing to many of the ppl who are in Cyrodiil. Especially when most of the low populated campaigns are dominated by 1 faction that sets it as their home campaign for bonuses while they guest in Wabba. And guess what happens when some ppl from other factions go in and start capping keeps? The players from the dominant faction come back from Wabba and zerg the hell out of the map until the few enemies give up and log. Then it's back to Wabba w/ their full pvp bonuses safe for another night. Flawed pvp bonus design FTW.

It's not all about ppl thinking "this doesn't work, so I'm going to keep trying it" as you put it. They keep trying Wabba and pray that it'll work because it's the only campaign widely known to be more or less balanced. They're desperate enough to brave 'MoLag Bal' and take their chances in Wabba, rather than gimp themselves in one of the single faction dominated low pop campaigns.

PS: Wabba-Lag isn't limited to being in a large group, or even being near other players. There's still lag spikes when I run w/ 1-2 other ppl stealthing between keeps.

For those unaware, and I think it's a lot of people, they posted a preview of a patch that's going through on Monday. It addresses some big PvP issues. A couple people have mentioned it in this thread but the link is probably worthwhile:

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/105348/patch-v-1-1-3-preview/p1

Anyway, yeah, they're working on lag. It's absurd to suggest that they're just oblivious to the issue. This is, however, new territory for any MMO so you can't expect it to be perfect out of the gate, or even a little while out of the gate. Just keep sending in bug reports when you experience different types of latency.

And in case it's not clear, the new territory I'm talking about is the mostly action based combat system in an environment designed to hold 2000 players at once. GW2 had a pretty tab target-less system, but the zones were nowhere near as large. DAoC probably supported close to the same number of players in PvP, but a tab targetting system places significantly fewer demands on the network.

Edit: It might be worth pointing out that GW2 also had some pretty significant skill lag issues in PvP that popped up a year after launch, even. Perhaps that will also help put things in perspective. ESO is actually a pretty ambitious game in this regard.

bitaken wrote: »

joshisanonymous wrote: »

This is, however, new territory for any MMO so you can't expect it to be perfect out of the gate, or even a little while out of the gate. Just keep sending in bug reports when you experience different types of latency.

Please, you did not really say this. I was in DAOC 12 years ago when we would siege relic keeps with 150 players - and 90 would be defending. If you see 240 on a screen at one time in Wabba - it IS a slide show.

Currently on PvP realms of WoW you will regularly see 90-120 people laying siege to a capital city - and almost no lag.

This is not new territory for the MMO world. It's new territory for TESO. They had no idea what was going to happen with PvP and they released it like this. Mosh Pit style PvP is always a huge draw for players. DAOC took some time to get it down to the point where you could play in massive battles and keep track of things, I will grant you that - but that was 13 years ago.

Um, all software do not work the same way.
There are many reasons for lag or no lag.

2 things here, The new territory is the way Cyradiil works. Which is nothing like WoW or any other game. Simular to DaoC yes, but a new type.

Second....comparing the two on based of lag. Do I really have to explain how that is impossible to do?

And for the record, I played wow, hardcore, nailed garrosh 10 man ahead of the curve etc, for a year. EVERYONE always complained about lag at Ordos, which is normaly 40 people. I never lagged there. I do not lag in ESO cities.

WoW had a lot of time to work out their code to support more numbers of players in in the same area. ESO is doing the same, with a complete different "software".

They already made a fix that goes live on monday where 1 point is to reduce lag in Cyra.

bitaken wrote: »

Please, you did not really say this. I was in DAOC 12 years ago when we would siege relic keeps with 150 players - and 90 would be defending. If you see 240 on a screen at one time in Wabba - it IS a slide show.

I talked about DAoC and explicitly explained why they were able to do large battles with little lag. There's no reason you should be responding like this unless you simply did not read my post. Instead, it seems you got so excited about an opportunity to flex your e-peen that you jumped down my throat the second you read the phrase "new territory."

-give everyone still playing this game a medal

joshisanonymous wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

Please, you did not really say this. I was in DAOC 12 years ago when we would siege relic keeps with 150 players - and 90 would be defending. If you see 240 on a screen at one time in Wabba - it IS a slide show.

I talked about DAoC and explicitly explained why they were able to do large battles with little lag. There's no reason you should be responding like this unless you simply did not read my post. Instead, it seems you got so excited about an opportunity to flex your e-peen that you jumped down my throat the second you read the phrase "new territory."

I read your post. The reality is you are too much a fanboy to put criticism where it is due. How many times in the past week has Wabbajack been rolled back? 5 that I was a part of - 4 more that I have been told about.

We had an epic fight at Ash last night with about 90 AD singeing and 50 DC defending. They almost took the first flag - we pushed them out and killed the stair runners. They almost pushed us off the back flag - we pushed them back a second time. Then they started a third rush...server roll back. We could not make it back to Ash before they did - and the doors were down and all NPC's were gone so they took the keep with ease.

How is this not game breaking to you? Why must you be a fan boy?

Here is reality: The bugs and lag are destroying the game. You can come at me with anything you want - but this is 2014 not 2000. Releasing the Craglorn patch effectively ruined an already laggy campaign in Wabbajack.

I don't care about your PvE zones - or your pretty mobs to kill and puzzles to solve. All I want to do is PvP - and when the zone I PvP in feels like a slide show in slow motion with 4-8 second ability lag and continual server roll backs - the thing is damn well broken.

We did not design the game - but are paying to play it. If they can't get it to a reasonable performance level - VERY SOON - there will be only the story geeks and PvE nerds playing it - which means I will be looking for another title to PvP in because I will have no one to fight.

Is that clear enough for you?

You can't not zerg because a 4 man group can't cap a keep because Zenimax believes NPCs should do all the work defending unmanned keeps. Like why shouldn't keeps be easy to cap if there are no players to defend it. This is one of the things GW2 did right.

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

ishilpatelb14_ESO wrote: »

You can't not zerg because a 4 man group can't cap a keep because Zenimax believes NPCs should do all the work defending unmanned keeps. Like why shouldn't keeps be easy to cap if there are no players to defend it. This is one of the things GW2 did right.

GW2 didn't do anything right...Don't kid yourself

Having a Keep that could have its door knocked down in 30 seconds and taken was moronic.

It took 4 people 10 minutes to cap an unmanned keep, you don't think that's a long time considering no players are there to defend it? I guess you're one of those that can't match up to those 4 players so you want NPCs to defend it for you, is that it?

Is the new patch applied yet, because last night it was still horrible server side lag at least in EU AB? Skills/spells won't work or have 20 second lag, doors still bug and won't open, and every now and then can't mount/dismount horse. Don't forget the always so funny stuck in combat "feature" for healers, random client crashes and the list goes on and on. If the patch was already applied, I did not see any difference. Ever since Craglorn patch Cyrodiil has been a total mess, and fixing this mess really should be on top their priority list by now. For Pete's sakes, this game was sold on advertising large scale PVP, and still 2 months after launch we have fundamental game breaking problems.

Auriel's Bow EU still lags like crazy when you go to a place where action is going on. It's sad really...

PVP is basically unplayable. The expectations was so great - and now after a while, i must say - after being a huge fan - im so disappointet. PVP is about trying yourself against other players, putting together a plan, working together trying to outsmart the others. Brain vs brain. Its totally ruined, when lag (or whatever issues) causes you to not be able to activate abilities, shift weapons or stear your character correct. Even ½ sec of lag is too much. A PvP fight lasts max 8 seconds, and the difference between being victorius or dead, can easily be determined by the ½ sec where your actions has no effect. Not to mention the endless amount of of dc's.

Its not my internet, i have 100 MBit
Its not my PC i have an ASUS G750J

Its the game, the server, the code - or whatever the excuses are.

Its a failure...