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Exhausted--Can't Do Boss Battles...
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Anastasia✭✭✭✭
What does "Per Vr fights" mean? I guarantee you if I'm ever lucky or skillful enough to get through killing Manny I won't be going far into Veteran fights if I'm faced with this same strategy of changing out your armor, weapons, buffs, and tactics for every different battle. If that is what 'MMO' comes down to it is no wonder I play so few of them.Per Vr fights are that hard, and fight with Mannimarco is probably the toughest fight you are gonna face before Vr.
Make new armor, get potions and food buffs charge up you ulti and you should be set. The fight is an endurance fight, so dont blow all your skills/mana/stamina really quickly.
Please enlighten me some on using buffs. I've applied them and it seems that they are not stackable--at least the ones that last 35 minutes--and they are not multiple. You can buff 1 Stamina, for instance, and that's it. You can change and buff Magicka but you then lose the Stamina buff. Isn't that it? When you die and resurrect you don't get back your buffs, potions, and charged up Ultimate. I think the only battles I've done that have lasted long enough to build up and use another Ultimate in have been at the Anchors.
Not to sound sarcastic etc RatsnevE but the bolded part of your quote here: "...I guarantee you if I'm ever lucky or skillful enough to get through killing Manny I won't be going far into Veteran fights if I'm faced with this same strategy of changing out your armor, weapons, buffs, and tactics for every different battle. If that is what 'MMO' comes down to it is no wonder I play so few of them."
To be honest, that is EXACTLY what a high percentage of veteran gamers literally use as the measuring stick of merit in an mmo - at least for when you near or get to end-game content. I would say not 'every' mob but yes, having to change up your strats, replace a weapon or two, put on a second or even third set of armor with differing traits/stats you may carry in your bag for just such occasions - those are desired highlights in endgame for MMO's, most especially if you are gearing up/heading into Raiding.
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RatsnevE✭✭✭
NO! Start your own thread please. In this thread I am a Khajiit NB Sword & Shield. I've been using this build since the beginning of the game. It's obvious that different builds have different affects on different Bosses. And let's stick to the solo-only bosses too that pulls tricks on you you have no preparation for outside their dungeon scene:OK, lets talk about it. We have five slots and I am a Sor. And I used mostly the same since the beginning of game.
1. CC
2. RANDOM
3. reverse slash
4. Prism
5. Demonic Curse
1. Pierce Armor IV
2. Ambush II
3. Swallow Soul IV
4. Killer's Blade IV
5. Concealed Weapon IV
7. (Ultimate) Soul Tether IV
Second weapon set is Bow:
1. Venom Arrow I
2. Shadow Disguise I
3. Soul Splitting Trap I
I'm not changing my build around every time I meet up with a different boss that demands it. That is not classical MMO and especially not classical RPG. If ZOS wants to change the rules around to placate die-hard gamers--fine--they can process a full refund for me ($90) for their deceit.Edited by RatsnevE on 30 May 2014 20:004 -
aletad11_ESO✭✭
aletad11_ESO got our quotes backwards and then didn't post anything. This now corrects it. I give a darn because I liked what we both said.
AMEN! Agree with you 100% This sort of thing just makes me very tired, and very very angry. It's a foregone conclusion I will NEVER see Vet content, and I can't say that I really give a @#!%!Shame on Zenimax as far as I'm concerned. And shame on the die-hard beta testers for driving up these difficulties.
Thank you!:)0 -
aletad11_ESO✭✭BSGDevastator wrote: »The difficulties are fine. A boss shouldn't be easy to defeat. In the story, Mannimarco is a very important and strong character. He should be a challenge and your chance to defeat him should be 10%.
Please....don't be ridiculous. If the difficulties were fine there wouldn't be 50jillion posts saying otherwise.2 -
Anastasia✭✭✭✭This is my thread and I thought you all would be more interested in my final success beating Manny at his own game with this rather simplistic approach rather then going deeper into the strategy of strategy?
Can't wait to see how it all falls down again next time. In spite of you die-hard strategists I still don't think it is ESO's intent to make finishing this game (whatever that means) impossible for the more casual gamer? We'll see...
My goal remains to go as far as I can with finds and drops and herbs (alchemy); heavy armor with sword and shield and bow; and as few active skill choices as possible for two weapon sets.
Gratz for getting it taken care of there you!
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Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭He is a jome. Never used food I. This game. Naked with a few potions. Most playe4s problem is they try to zerg a fight like this. This is a paced fight. Don't try to zerg it and get mad.
The npcs will literailly kill him for you if you heal him and you just kill the adds.
The NPC are busy holding portals shut.0 -
Sakiri✭✭✭✭✭
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What does "Per Vr fights" mean? I guarantee you if I'm ever lucky or skillful enough to get through killing Manny I won't be going far into Veteran fights if I'm faced with this same strategy of changing out your armor, weapons, buffs, and tactics for every different battle. If that is what 'MMO' comes down to it is no wonder I play so few of them.Per Vr fights are that hard, and fight with Mannimarco is probably the toughest fight you are gonna face before Vr.
Make new armor, get potions and food buffs charge up you ulti and you should be set. The fight is an endurance fight, so dont blow all your skills/mana/stamina really quickly.
Please enlighten me some on using buffs. I've applied them and it seems that they are not stackable--at least the ones that last 35 minutes--and they are not multiple. You can buff 1 Stamina, for instance, and that's it. You can change and buff Magicka but you then lose the Stamina buff. Isn't that it? When you die and resurrect you don't get back your buffs, potions, and charged up Ultimate. I think the only battles I've done that have lasted long enough to build up and use another Ultimate in have been at the Anchors.
Not to sound sarcastic etc RatsnevE but the bolded part of your quote here: "...I guarantee you if I'm ever lucky or skillful enough to get through killing Manny I won't be going far into Veteran fights if I'm faced with this same strategy of changing out your armor, weapons, buffs, and tactics for every different battle. If that is what 'MMO' comes down to it is no wonder I play so few of them."
To be honest, that is EXACTLY what a high percentage of veteran gamers literally use as the measuring stick of merit in an mmo - at least for when you near or get to end-game content. I would say not 'every' mob but yes, having to change up your strats, replace a weapon or two, put on a second or even third set of armor with differing traits/stats you may carry in your bag for just such occasions - those are desired highlights in endgame for MMO's, most especially if you are gearing up/heading into Raiding.
Stockpiling all that gear is an annoying pain in the arse and I never did it once, yet still managed to raid just fine.
Top of server even. :P1 -
RatsnevE✭✭✭You understand what I mean about all this... Is Zenimax marketing an MMO for a minority of "veteran gamers literally [to use respecing and strategy to fully redefine a character] use as the measuring stick of merit in an mmo..."? Or are they marketing this MMO to draw in everyone else too experience and fully enjoy an adventure even or whatever they want to get out of ESO?
Note that a lot of people have enjoyed a lot of the game Solo, which is not 'abnormal' for RPGs or MMOs. I was just trying to finish up Reaper's March when the #$%^ hit the fan as Solo only and 'self found or find' going into plenty of dungeons where others have helped me in battles and I've helped them. Then you get to Solo-only boss battles and you have no idea the level of strategy you are up against because you haven't HAD to use or converse with groups or guilds to learn a clue.
The whole thing is a short-sighted mess on ZOS's part--relying way to heavily on what 'veteran' MMO gamers want to see and nothing on what RPG and causual gamers think they will be getting into. If you want a no holds bared veteran game go play Path of Exile--but it isn't MMO. If you want to play an MMO that works for everyone that includes underwater battles play Guild Wars 2. If you aren't a veteran but want to experience a brand new bug-filled MMO with depressingly difficult solo only boss battles that might very well throw you into more strategy you care to like in a game then ESO is your ticket to happiness.Edited by RatsnevE on 30 May 2014 22:372 -
silent88b14_ESO✭✭✭If the difficulty is 'fine', why is a level 19 quest (Fit to Rule) dependent on completing a level 23 quest element (Mantle of Rahjin)?Behold the great Oak. Just a little nut who stood his ground.2 -
Ysne58✭✭✭✭✭silent88b14_ESO wrote: »If the difficulty is 'fine', why is a level 19 quest (Fit to Rule) dependent on completing a level 23 quest element (Mantle of Rahjin)?
I was wondering that myself. I did make it past that at level 23.
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Azethoth✭
NO! Start your own thread please. In this thread I am a Khajiit NB Sword & Shield. I've been using this build since the beginning of the game. It's obvious that different builds have different affects on different Bosses. And let's stick to the solo-only bosses too that pulls tricks on you you have no preparation for outside their dungeon scene:OK, lets talk about it. We have five slots and I am a Sor. And I used mostly the same since the beginning of game.
1. CC
2. RANDOM
3. reverse slash
4. Prism
5. Demonic Curse
1. Pierce Armor IV
2. Ambush II
3. Swallow Soul IV
4. Killer's Blade IV
5. Concealed Weapon IV
7. (Ultimate) Soul Tether IV
Second weapon set is Bow:
1. Venom Arrow I
2. Shadow Disguise I
3. Soul Splitting Trap I
I'm not changing my build around every time I meet up with a different boss that demands it. That is not classical MMO and especially not classical RPG. If ZOS wants to change the rules around to placate die-hard gamers--fine--they can process a full refund for me ($90) for their deceit.
Wow dude. So your current setup is not sufficient for this encounter yet you are unwilling to change it. Sounds like your problem is not the content its you. If you will not explore other options than you do not deserve to progress.
I have done this battle three times, on Sorc, Temp and DK it is easily doable with the right skill combinations.
This is not about veteran vs casual. Honestly that fight is tough but not overly so. I used Essence Drain from vamp to kill each add one by one. Ran at him and bashed him to interrupt his sustained beam, being a NB you should be able to tele to him and bash him to interrupt. When he does that circle aoe, at least get out of the middle, you will avoid most of the damage and the knockback that way.
The amount of times I changed my bars when I encountered a tough battle is numerous. On my sorc, not that you are one, when I was in trouble I pulled out the pets.
Lastly level a bit and chill. You will get little sympathy with your rage/attitude.
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born2beagator✭✭✭✭I think the unwillingness to change skills comes from the prohibitively high price of respec once you get to that point0
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Azethoth✭born2beagator wrote: »I think the unwillingness to change skills comes from the prohibitively high price of respec once you get to that point
Respecs are expensive, but thats also the reason I have 30+ unspent points out of over 100 points on my 3 VR characters. That is part of the strategy I employ, I do not spend them willy nilly, this allows me to grab something at a moments notice and keeps respec costs more reasonable.Edited by Azethoth on 31 May 2014 03:010 -
born2beagator✭✭✭✭Thats just more trouble than its worth. You shouldn't have to save up an absurd amount of skill points like that.
The respec system is badly flawed in that it makes you respec all instead of choosing which.Edited by born2beagator on 31 May 2014 03:031 -
Azethoth✭born2beagator wrote: »Thats just more trouble than its worth. You shouldn't have to save up an absurd amount of skill points like that.
The respec system is badly flawed in that it makes you respec all instead of choosing which.
I don't have to, I choose to, although I do not disagree that the system could use a change. I would like to see it possible to respec morphs individually if anything.
In regards to saving up, I simply collect every skyshard I come across. I have them all collected up to Stonefalls VR zone(I'm Dominion)
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RatsnevE✭✭✭It is all about veteran vs casual. The veteran knows he has to respec something and probably exactly what. The casual knows nothing but FAIL and is clueless what to do next because she is solo on the outside and solo with the bosses and hasn't needed to explore groups or guilds.
As for me because I like self finds and limit Craft to Alchemy, selling everything else, I have around 68,000 gold to spend but it isn't to spend frivolously. I'm not playing multiple characters. I'm living and dying on this one, but right now I'm in frustrating stagnation.
The person who created the build I'm copying has reached well into Vet with it. That tells me there is nothing wrong going up against 'what's his face' and minions in Will of the Council: Shut Down the Blood Fonts but that might battle tactics have rusted up again.0 -
RatsnevE✭✭✭
...and clueless what to try next that might make a difference.born2beagator wrote: »I think the unwillingness to change skills comes from the prohibitively high price of respec once you get to that point
Edited by RatsnevE on 31 May 2014 03:400
