I've been playing since the beginning of the 5 day head start. I only ever traded twice. Once was to buy cheap leather armor with the divines trait and the other was to trade a racial motif that I already knew with one that I didn't. I have since deleted that character (a V3). I haven't traded since. You can get by easily with mob drops and quest rewards. You can deconstruct everything you don't need and you get enough skill points to both max out a build and the crafting needed to craft yourself the best gear your build will use.

TES games never had any sort of economy. Why should ESO? Just because it's an MMO? Honestly it looks like there are just a bunch of industrial/capitalist sub-players. For them the 'game' is crafting/trading stuff. That's all the game is to them. To them I suggest EVE Online. The best game economy I've ever seen and you can "craft" just about anything.

XanadoX wrote: »

Drazticulous wrote: »

yes because trading to get something in a MMO is not used at all...

They could disable mass trade till they fix the bots issue. Allow only 1/5/10 trades per day and you will have half problem solved

Will never fix the "bots issue" WoW still has a massive bot community today.

@Ojustaboo‌

Ojustaboo wrote: »

@laughter song,

I understand your annoyance at botters but for me, seeing the same huge post of yours posted in every thread, is becoming as annoying as the botters themselves. I'm reading this on my tablet as I'm away from my PC, your post makes this a very unpleasant experience.

you are also advertising them and while it might be easy to google, many people wont have, but will see your post showing where to go, where to buy and how it works.

you are doing more harm than good, I'm not going to report your posts but I guarantee when Zenimax reads them, they will be rightly deleted, and if you *** them off too much by cross posting, don't be surprised at the outcome.

I guess you would know since you tend to live in Forums with your almost 400 posts; what are you the ESO Forums Post God?




So you are saying posting similar posts 3 in all - a variation of the the original post, is as bad as Thousands of bots saturating the game?

You are saying that trying to reach players to educated them is as bad as bots?

You are saying that trying to grab the attention of the Developers & Share Holders with details concerning the bots is as "annoying as the botters themselves"

Nice you have a "tablet"; ...yeah better not write what I am moved to want to write here, I might get "reported".

*clears throat* You are saying that I am doing more harm than good? ...odd thinking.

Did you take the time to read my posts? Apparently not. Did you watch any of the videos?



I guess you missed that as well.

*sigh* Ojustaboo, Ojustaboo, Ojustaboo.....

I think this is a clear case of " I have no social life so I wanna be a Forum Celebrity" jealousy - with my 3 to 4 posts.

Obvious the written "Truth" (if not written exclusively by you) is "a bad experience".

So your idea of a "good" or "quality" forum post approved by Ojustaboo‌ is one of sunshine, unicorns & wildflower covered meadows?

My family paid almost very close to $100.00 per game x 3 - the most insanely expensive MMORPG in history and I would like to see our investment succeed.

I can deal with the Bugs - though there are hundreds, the constant DCing, which happens every 20 minutes (Customer Service reps conclude my DCing is on their end, not on mine), I can even tolerate Sorc skills not firing off but being charged for magic blah blah blah, but bots ...sorry no excuse.

Stay away from others posting threads about this subject because there are hundreds who are very upset by the very same exact thing. What I did differently was give hard evidence, explain steps that are usually taken and in some threads explain of how LUA is used to hack games.

You are threatening me that Zenimax employeeswill read my posts? Are you kidding me? How old are you 10?

It was Zenimax Employees who directed me to write in forums.

My goal is to have Devs & Share holders read the forums!

In any event you are threatening me - feel the power?

and if you *** them off too much by cross posting, don't be surprised at the outcome.

You mean, "If I *** you off too much" right?

I enjoy this game, so much so I want change. I know if the bots are not aggressively removed- if GMs do not get out there and work to remove them until IP protocols are tightened, until detection software can be developed etc. that the game will be F2P in a few months.

Word of advice Ojustaboo, Stay away from local, national and international news; important news that effects individuals is usually explained in details with video, the good, the bad and the ugly as well and often repetitively the who/where/what/why/when.

Not much of a Journalist are you?... oh wait, you must be a botter/gold buyer. I understand now.

PS Ojustaboo my posts were not removed just the videos that show the bots. Good job my man...let's see what the outcome is when I make a few phone calls.

ElliottXO wrote: »

Here is another crazy idea which works much better: shut down the severs.

Since I already unsubbed, it's not important to me. Who cares what other people think? I can enjoy my time with the servers being shut down. You guys must be doing something wrong!

/Sarcasm

The fact is that ES games do not have player-trading, being mostly single-player. ESO (although trying to be more multiplayer) does not need to have it either. For most ES players it is probably not an element of "fun". Especially not with all the harm it brings to the game in form of bots and gold-farming/selling. My point is that trading brings more elements of harm than fun for players to the game.

There is a bunch of players that probably enjoy trading and get a thrill from seeing their gold increase. As someone else suggested, why don't you go play EVE instead? Trading is so much more fun there.

Apsalon wrote: »

The answer's pretty easy: Enable open pvp. The only reason why botting works is because bots can not be harmed. Loved to kill those *** over and over in past games. Not as satisfying as breaking the fingers of goldbuyers, but... it's a start.

Open World PVP is no silver bullet. EvE has open world PVP yet the devs give talks about their somewhat futile efforts to battle RMT (Real Money Trade).

Lovely wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

Is trading that fekking important? It is not to me.

Best argument ever. I guess no point into trying to understand its need.

Actualy I like trading a lot in MMOs, but in ESO? The only trade I perform is swapping crafted gear for decon so I can level up.

Therefore if there was no trade at all, no harm done to me as well.

But I am realistic here. People would unsub if this would happen.

I agree that trading is an important part of the community within MMORPGS. They just havnt nailed it properly in ESO (yet)

crislevin wrote: »

i firmly believe the only way is to restrict addon access to approved developers and authenticate each third party addons, open an official app store for the game and ban everybody using other addons.

Game addon cheating is not new, whats new is ZOS being so open about providing easy access to the game code and allowing every addon in the universe.

It would be a start, but the real problem is that the game accepts what our computers tell them, without any real attempt at verification. So bots can sneak below the surface, and teleport between nodes, because the game accepts that they can move like that.

Pewpie wrote: »

ElliottXO wrote: »

Here is another crazy idea which works much better: shut down the severs.

Since I already unsubbed, it's not important to me. Who cares what other people think? I can enjoy my time with the servers being shut down. You guys must be doing something wrong!

/Sarcasm

The fact is that ES games do not have player-trading, being mostly single-player. ESO (although trying to be more multiplayer) does not need to have it either. For most ES players it is probably not an element of "fun". Especially not with all the harm it brings to the game in form of bots and gold-farming/selling. My point is that trading brings more elements of harm than fun for players to the game.

There is a bunch of players that probably enjoy trading and get a thrill from seeing their gold increase. As someone else suggested, why don't you go play EVE instead? Trading is so much more fun there.

From the feedback here I would say that you are the very minority and that the vast majority wants trading.

How about you go and play something else instead?

Heres my idea. Bots use in game coordinates to operate..ie go here run these commands etc....find a way to write an algorithm that randomly reassigns the geographic coordinates of nodes and is distributed real time. Like a code within the code man.....yknow....im an armchair computer programmer and elective surgeon. Now back to my real job of paper clip sorter.