Crazy idea to exterminate bots completely

Pewpie

Ackwalan wrote: »

There is not a one shot magic bullet that will get rid of bots once and for all. ESO needs to continue with their banning, updating and enforcing of rules. Players need to continue reporting, and more importantly, not buying their gold.

Yes there is. Remove trading in all ways = BOTS ARE DEAD.

Yes, that does impact on the game. BUT SO WHAT? Is trading that fekking important? It is not to me. ES is coming from single player design, and most people here are probably ES fans. So what if you want trade?

The guild stores are a complete joke anyways, trading is so lame in this game, it might as well be removed.

Just make so you have to work on your own gear instead, craft you own stuff, find your own materials etc etc.

And if trading is THAT IMPORTANT, keep it, but make it between people that have been playing together for some time. Example: only way to trade to someone is by playing with them for X amt hours, X amt exp gain etc. Or something of that sort, that prevent instant trade with people you do not know/are real players.

It will kill the bots totally. End of story.

Drazticulous

yes because trading to get something in a MMO is not used at all...

XanadoX

Drazticulous wrote: »

yes because trading to get something in a MMO is not used at all...

They could disable mass trade till they fix the bots issue. Allow only 1/5/10 trades per day and you will have half problem solved

Beretic

I cannot let this go. You sir, should re-evaluate your state of sanity. Trading is eveything. There will be and will always be a economy.

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

Drazticulous

So what if I'm trying to sell my services? I can only make so much gold per day?

generalgummibaereb17_ESO

Lame Idea ;D What do you do against bots in the net? Captures are the way to go. An easy Task that is verry difficult for bots, but easy for players. Maybe some Kind of Huger/Thirst mechanic, or more of the Spheric lock doors from Skyrim and being portet out if a Boss is killed or so.

Findécano

Remove trading? No.

Beretic wrote: »

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

At least i'm not the only one who thought about that.
Brilliant idea

badmojo

LOL

This is up there with that suggestion to remove gold from the game to stop gold sellers.

Lovely

Pewpie wrote: »

Is trading that fekking important? It is not to me.

Best argument ever. I guess no point into trying to understand its need.

AlexDougherty

Pewpie wrote: »

So what if you want trade?

The guild stores are a complete joke anyways, trading is so lame in this game, it might as well be removed.

Just make so you have to work on your own gear instead, craft you own stuff, find your own materials etc etc.

And if trading is THAT IMPORTANT, keep it, but make it between people that have been playing together for some time. Example: only way to trade to someone is by playing with them for X amt hours, X amt exp gain etc. Or something of that sort, that prevent instant trade with people you do not know/are real players.

I agree that guilds store are insufficient, but to kill trade totally, no, and currently I don't trade at all. What they need is to increase the number of things we can create, and give us global stores, so we can sell to anybody. Once we can buy decently crafted stuff, the desire to buy mats from bits will decrease, and die.

It will kill the bots totally. End of story.

Maybe but your idea will take the game with it, so it really is a crazy idea.

Next O:)

Pewpie

Seriously, did you enjoy the single player ES games? Probably. Did you trade with other players? Probably not.

Trading with other players is such a minisucle thing for "fun" in this so called MMO that it seriously is not needed. It is so focused on single player features (phasing and what not) that dropping player trade wouldn't harm the game much. Just for a few bunch of whiners that for some reason think having much gold is a satisfaction? Or why the hell would you trade anything in this game?

I would not be bothered at all if i couldn't trade with other players. Really, why would i want to do it anyways? Items in this game does not affect gameplay much at all.

Trading with player is NOT a fundamental important thing for mmos. PLAYING and enjoying the game world/dungeons/pvp etc is what makes the game fun.

If you want trading and think it is fun, go play some ***** browser game. Or hell why don't you just go play with live stock and make some real money from it instead.

Remove trading and get a free from bots game! Be unique and screw all sucky mmos that made up this horrible trading that just makes the game boring and spammy!

Pewpie

Beretic wrote: »

I cannot let this go. You sir, should re-evaluate your state of sanity. Trading is eveything. There will be and will always be a economy.

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

How can trading be everything, I'm VR 2, have enjoyed the game and done most of what it has to offer so far. But i have RARELY traded at all. And i can tell you the only time i did it, i did not consider it being a "fun" time in the game.

Trading is absolutely NOT everything. It is a boring thing, games should be fun.

LabRat001

Crazier one - Shotguns

Get your playerbase engaged in hunting bots, report bots and spam as you encounter them, confirmed reports earn points towards achievements, achievements earn you shotguns, shotguns let players kill bots directly and flag their accounts.

Kill someone who isn't a bot with a shotgun lose all your achievements and get a "Is an idiot" title for a week.

Jade_Knightblazerb14_ESO

LabRat001 wrote: »

Crazier one - Shotguns

Get your playerbase engaged in hunting bots, report bots and spam as you encounter them, confirmed reports earn points towards achievements, achievements earn you shotguns, shotguns let players kill bots directly and flag their accounts.

Kill someone who isn't a bot with a shotgun lose all your achievements and get a "Is an idiot" title for a week.

Win, however needs to be lore friendly....... Umm. Can't we just throw strider eggs on them like the ep starter area quest?

Pewpie

XanadoX wrote: »

Drazticulous wrote: »

yes because trading to get something in a MMO is not used at all...

They could disable mass trade till they fix the bots issue. Allow only 1/5/10 trades per day and you will have half problem solved

Might help a bit to get rid of problems

Lovely wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

Is trading that fekking important? It is not to me.

Best argument ever. I guess no point into trying to understand its need.

So, can you tell me why i would need to trade? Or why you would NEED to trade in elder scrolls online?

Just vendor your crap. All fine. Remove the cod and trade feature!

And make looting either with rolls, or so that if you do not pick up something from a corpse, someone else in your group can pick it up. So you can leave *** you do not want for your team.

ShADoW0s

Pewpie wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

I cannot let this go. You sir, should re-evaluate your state of sanity. Trading is eveything. There will be and will always be a economy.

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

How can trading be everything, I'm VR 2, have enjoyed the game and done most of what it has to offer so far. But i have RARELY traded at all. And i can tell you the only time i did it, i did not consider it being a "fun" time in the game.

Trading is absolutely NOT everything. It is a boring thing, games should be fun.

Well thats just because you have not traded much. Trading is a BIG part of MMOs, you need a trait that you are missing? Trade for it rather than wait ages for RNG to drop. You need a super rare item? You have to buy it, or spend hours farming it.

Trading becomes very important only at late game where everyone is trying to get the best gear, there is no way you will be able to max everything late game, so you have to trade eventually, if not at Vr2.

Pewpie

ShADoW0s wrote: »

Pewpie wrote: »

Beretic wrote: »

I cannot let this go. You sir, should re-evaluate your state of sanity. Trading is eveything. There will be and will always be a economy.

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

How can trading be everything, I'm VR 2, have enjoyed the game and done most of what it has to offer so far. But i have RARELY traded at all. And i can tell you the only time i did it, i did not consider it being a "fun" time in the game.

Trading is absolutely NOT everything. It is a boring thing, games should be fun.

Well thats just because you have not traded much. Trading is a BIG part of MMOs, you need a trait that you are missing? Trade for it rather than wait ages for RNG to drop. You need a super rare item? You have to buy it, or spend hours farming it.

Trading becomes very important only at late game where everyone is trying to get the best gear, there is no way you will be able to max everything late game, so you have to trade eventually, if not at Vr2.

I rather enjoy playing the game, which means if there is a rare item i want, i will play that dungeon that drops it etc. I don't expect to buy it from another player. In fact in most mmos (i have played) the best gear you do not buy from players at all. The best gear you need to quest for or get bind-on-pickup drops for from the hardest bosses. Which is great! No trading involved for the high-end gear. Why have it at all then?

It does not have to be a BIG part of mmos, unless you make it such and open up for gold-selling and bots. I rather have a game that forces you to actually PLAY to improve your character/gear than buy it.

zaria

Beretic wrote: »

I cannot let this go. You sir, should re-evaluate your state of sanity. Trading is eveything. There will be and will always be a economy.

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

Combine it with the justice system, you get multiple reports over some hours, (8 reports from 8 man group at once don't work) and you become an outlaw and can be killed. If you get killed you don't go to a wayshrine but to jail and must do some quest to get out.

Now to make stuff real fun, have an timer from sent to jail until you start the quest.
If you start at once you get some simple questions to verify human player or not.
If you use a long time from getting in jail to stating the quest it start to get an serious grind, and yes make it so it cant get done with bots.

nerevarine1138

Crazy? You bet he's crazy. Crazy like a fox!

Or in this case, crazy like a rabid fox with some serious daddy issues.

Of all the ridiculous ideas trotted out on a daily basis to "eliminate" the gold-selling/botting, this has to be one of the worst. The only solution to this problem is for players to stop buying gold. And for players who know about gold-buyers to report them instead of tolerating it.

crislevin

i firmly believe the only way is to restrict addon access to approved developers and authenticate each third party addons, open an official app store for the game and ban everybody using other addons.

Game addon cheating is not new, whats new is ZOS being so open about providing easy access to the game code and allowing every addon in the universe.

nerevarine1138

crislevin wrote: »

i firmly believe the only way is to restrict addon access to approved developers and authenticate each third party addons, open an official app store for the game and ban everybody using other addons.

Game addon cheating is not new, whats new is ZOS being so open about providing easy access to the game code and allowing every addon in the universe.

I'd be happy with the elimination of add-ons, but that wouldn't curb the botting problem. Bot-programmers tend to design programs that already evade any detection software that developers run.

Rev Rielle

Unfortunately MMO players over the years have gotten so use to trading, and have become so materialistic/greedy in these games, that doing such as the OP suggested just will almost certainly never happen/work.

When you distill it down, MMOs for the most part can function quite well without trade. People are just deathly afraid of two things: a) having to work for something, and b) not having something that someone else has. Actually, add a third thing to that: Change. Players are also horrendously afraid of change.

navystylz_ESO

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Unfortunately MMO players over the years have gotten so use to trading, and have become so materialistic/greedy in these games, that doing such as the OP suggested just will almost certainly never happen/work.

When you distill it down, MMOs for the most part can function quite well without trade. People are just deathly afraid of two things: a) having to work for something, and b) not having something that someone else has. Actually, add a third thing to that: Change. Players are also horrendously afraid of change.

Because every MMO allows you to trade. And no we're not. It's just a stupid idea.

Gisgo

By this logic the solution to sickness is suicide.

rowdog

Gather round youngins' and lemme tell you the tale of Gimmenow Slipperyslope...

One fine day, in the middle of the night, Gimmenow got bored and wanted a new game so he whipped out mommy's credit card and started downloading ESO.

"Oh yeah, this is awesome!" cried Gimmenow.
"But wait, everyone has a horse, I want one too!" So Gimmenow googles "ESO gold" and, once again, mommy's credit card solves the problem.

This goes on and on as Gimmenow next needs a Daedric Motif, "oh, and legendary tempers too!" Then one sad day, Gimmenow's mom notices her credit card bill and confronts Gimmenow who begs and pleads for "just one more thing and that's it, I promise!"

In case you hadn't guessed, that "one last thing" was bot software, "cuz now I make money while I sleep, and not only that, I get levels too!"


Okay, sorry, I've had that stupid story banging around in my head for days. My point is, not all botters are in it for the money so removing trade won't really "destroy all robots".

Another issue is that the criminal cartels just adapt, if they can't sell gold, they'll sell Motifs and if they can't trade, they'll sell rich power leveled characters instead.

lecarcajou_ESO

Sure trading is a fun and important part of an MMO... but there must be ways of trading that bots can't engage in—and from which gold sellers cannot benefit.

indytims_ESO

Beretic wrote: »

Here is a counter idea; Open world PvP.

/thread

No thank you.

PVP should remain limited to specific areas, OR made flaggable. Period.

ES was never and has never been a PVP style game. For ESO, it's an added feature, and I'm glad it's there, but in no way, shape, or form should it become 'world PVP' for the simple sake of fighting bots.

...Though I admit as much as I disdain PVP, open PVP would definitely put the bot-issue in the players hands for sure.

Laughter Song

Bots are now out numbering players!

The Black Smith Stations and Wood Working Stations are filled with them, zooooming in, extracting (Deconstructing), flying through the walls, the floors and then zooming off!~

Not an hour goes by in any zone below level 20 (at least) where the heated subject of bots and the havoc they bring comes up in Zone Chat.

Just today alone in a 30 minute time period, there were over 30 bots cycling in and out of Auridon using the Blacksmith/Tailor/Woodworking tables...zooooming around like busy lil' bees, cycling through extracting precious materials needed for crafting to resell at substantially lower prices to the player base and/or to vendor.

There are numerous Bot Thread because obviously Zenimax does not seem to care...well not that players can actually see...not that is tangible proof anyway.

The point is:

You can no longer Farm mats in most areas. Public dungeons quests are a joke. Bots kill game Immersion & they destroy the in-game economy. The bots are now in VR Zones.

Where will it end?

I paid a lot of money for this game...for what Bots? I can't even gather mats anymore to craft. It is quickly becoming beyond the time of being patient.

Bots finally made it into VR 1- 10 Content because they were not stopped in the lower areas. Guess what happens when bots are not banned? A: They grow up from baby bots into big bad boy VR bots!

And finally a GM took time off of his busy schedule to remove One little bot out of the Thousands...that is right "Thousands" that plague this game.

I reported, filmed and took screen shots of over 30 bots just in the Auridon crafting areas...flying about like they owned the place.

The bots are using the Black Smith/Tailoring/Woodworking stations. Then some "legit" head bot sells the extracted materials dirt cheap to players like you and I.

Bots were localized to lower areas now the flood V1-10 areas.

Question: Where are the GMs? Why are they not in force banning?

Why is it Zenimax does not discuss this issue with the player-base?

Why don't they give us exact details of How the plan to eliminate the bots?
What they are doing now is Nothing! ... well nothing that is tangible to the player base that is.

Good job Zenimax for hiring/positioning GMs online - in-game in major towns/cities, in heavily botted gathering areas and in public dungeons.

This game has become the laughing stock of the MMORPG world due to how easily Zenimax (the share holders?) turn a blind eye to how saturated the bots are.

Some reports mention as many as 10 bots for every player & 28% of the player base buys gold. (quoting for MMO online magazines and forum threads).

You cannot stop the Gold Buying per se, however you can attack the severe saturation of bots and the degradation of the game due to bots as well as the loss of player subscriptions by working on IP Protocols, working through legalities, creating software that detects hacking (LUA) through the launcher etc. AND - More Importantly for the Player-Base -

GMs need to be out in Force 24/7 Banning bots especially in specific low level dungeons/gathering/farming zones.

I don't know about you but I am tired of reporting bots daily that I see the very next day and then the next day once again. I have filed over 300...yup "300" - phoned Zenimax 4 times now and have written in 4 separate threads.

I Enjoy this game. I played a Lot for this game. I think we all need to hold Zenimax accountable. What exactly is Zenimax doing to combat this bot problem?

The Fanboyz will hate to read this but it is beginning to look as though Zenimax is behind the botting/gold selling.

It would not be the first time a Money Holder/Investor put collecting (dirty) revenue ahead of game development and the player-base.

Here are links of the bot programs so easily used, bragged about and purchased by players and pros alike:

***WARNING***
***Do NOT download - this software is a Sure Fire Way to have your ESO game Hacked!***

_______________________________

"Experience Flawless Automation"

"Botting The Elder Scrolls Online is now easier than ever. It grinds, it levels, it even farms loot… without you. Welcome to the number one source for ESO automation information. Want to purchase one of our recommended ESO bots? Click here to continue to our purchase page.

(These thieves are actually proud of there product! - it is an odd world we live in today...indeed)

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Spamming]

Ojustaboo

@laughter song,

I understand your annoyance at botters but for me, seeing the same huge post of yours posted in every thread, is becoming as annoying as the botters themselves. I'm reading this on my tablet as I'm away from my PC, your post makes this a very unpleasant experience.

you are also advertising them and while it might be easy to google, many people wont have, but will see your post showing where to go, where to buy and how it works.

you are doing more harm than good, I'm not going to report your posts but I guarantee when Zenimax reads them, they will be rightly deleted, and if you *** them off too much by cross posting, don't be surprised at the outcome.

Apsalon

The answer's pretty easy: Enable open pvp. The only reason why botting works is because bots can not be harmed. Loved to kill those *** over and over in past games. Not as satisfying as breaking the fingers of goldbuyers, but... it's a start.

Sakiri

XanadoX wrote: »

Drazticulous wrote: »

yes because trading to get something in a MMO is not used at all...

They could disable mass trade till they fix the bots issue. Allow only 1/5/10 trades per day and you will have half problem solved

They could completely disable it forever and there would still be bots.

There are still people to fraggin lazy to level.