Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.
Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.
Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.
adam1111cub18_ESO wrote: »Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.
Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.
Alright, because I'm a complete pedant (in addition to a fanatic of Elder Scrolls lore), I'd like to point out that "falmer" (fal-mer) comes from the old Aldmeri tongue, translating to "snow-people"; hence "bosmer" (forest-people) and "orsimer" (pariah-people), referencing the corruption of Trinimac by Boethiah, thus spawning Malacath and his outcast tribe of orcs, formerly altmer.
Um, I wasn't talking about the name. They transformed into falmer as in they transformed into what we know of as falmer. You knew that though.Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.
Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf
Um, the Chantry is huge, could and probably did support a population in the Hundreds, if not the thousands. Admittedly the Snow Elves won't be changing the outcome of the war. But they could be providing a few quests, and maybe a few items, and possible a Snow-elf Racial Motif (maybe a Falmer racial Motif recovered from them trying to help the poor Falmer too).Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.
That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.AlexDougherty wrote: »they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf
Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.
Caius Drusus Imperial DK (DC) Bragg Ironhand Orc Temp (DC) Neesha Stalks-Shadows Argonian NB (EP) Falidir Altmer Sorcr (AD) J'zharka Khajiit NB (AD) |
Isabeau Runeseer Breton Sorc (DC) Fevassa Dunmer DK (EP) Manut Redguard Temp (AD) Tylera the Summoner Altmer Sorc (EP) Svari Snake-Blood Nord DK (AD) |
Ashlyn D'Elyse Breton NB (EP) Filindria Bosmer Temp (DC) Vigbjorn the Wanderer Nord Warden (EP) Hrokki Winterborn Breton Warden (DC) Basks-in-the-Sunshine Argonian Temp |
That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.AlexDougherty wrote: »they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf
Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.
It says "In truth, they are probably far older as Snow Elf culture collapsed before the Second Era." Not that it matters, because one should never use TES Wiki for lore.AlexDougherty wrote: »That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.AlexDougherty wrote: »they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf
Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.
Well I guess we got different impressions, I have no doubt that the Falmer were there for quite a while, but I got the impression that the Chantry survived for quite a while as well.
The problem is that we only have the conversations with Gelebor and a few snippets from his brother Vyrthur before we kill him, and neither give much in the way of details. Especially how long ago these events happened. The website says the Snow Nlf culture collapsed in the second Era, but this game is set in the second Era, so it might not have happened yet.
Oh well, all sorts of arguements and counter arguements spring to mind, guess we'll have to disagree slightly.