Are 'Ice Elves' a possible future race for ESO

Phantax

I've noticed while travelling through Tamriel a few references to 'Ice Elves'
Is this by any chance a teaser for something (another race) that may be added at a later date? I have to admit just the name sounds very cool and I can already imagine the armor/styles they could wear !

UrQuan

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

tplink3r1

they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf

wrlifeboil

No.

Chrysolis

Nope.

KhajiitiLizard

A quest involving the Falmer would be interesting though. ESO's Dwemer ruins had a severe lack of them.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.

adam1111cub18_ESO

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.

Alright, because I'm a complete pedant (in addition to a fanatic of Elder Scrolls lore), I'd like to point out that "falmer" (fal-mer) comes from the old Aldmeri tongue, translating to "snow-people"; hence "bosmer" (forest-people) and "orsimer" (pariah-people), referencing the corruption of Trinimac by Boethiah, thus spawning Malacath and his outcast tribe of orcs, formerly altmer.

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO

adam1111cub18_ESO wrote: »

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.

Alright, because I'm a complete pedant (in addition to a fanatic of Elder Scrolls lore), I'd like to point out that "falmer" (fal-mer) comes from the old Aldmeri tongue, translating to "snow-people"; hence "bosmer" (forest-people) and "orsimer" (pariah-people), referencing the corruption of Trinimac by Boethiah, thus spawning Malacath and his outcast tribe of orcs, formerly altmer.

Thank you for providing this additional information my good sir.

UrQuan

Matt.vanelsenb16_ESO wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

Alright, because I'm a complete lore nerd, I feel obligated to correct you. In skyrim, while playing through the dawnguard DLC, one of the snow elves you meet during the quest will, in some sort of context, tell you that the last of his kind don't like to be called falmer anymore, because most people associate that with the twisted creatures that the enslaved snow elves have turned into. This obviously implies that falmer has always been the name for snow elves, just like altmer for high elves. So they didn't "transform into falmer", they always were falmer. Nerd rant complete, you may pass.

Um, I wasn't talking about the name. They transformed into falmer as in they transformed into what we know of as falmer. You knew that though.

Aaklor

are we entertaining the idea that this game has a future?

AlexDougherty

tplink3r1 wrote: »

they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf

Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.

So at the time of the game, the chantry is probably standing and filled with Snow-Elves.

Ur-Quan wrote: »

Ice elves, or snow elves? I don't recall any reference to ice elves, but there were definitely snow elves - by the time of ESO they've been effectively extinct for many centuries, as their entire surviving population (aside from a couple of outliers) was transformed into falmer.

Um, the Chantry is huge, could and probably did support a population in the Hundreds, if not the thousands. Admittedly the Snow Elves won't be changing the outcome of the war. But they could be providing a few quests, and maybe a few items, and possible a Snow-elf Racial Motif (maybe a Falmer racial Motif recovered from them trying to help the poor Falmer too).

AreoHotah

I hope not. we have too many elves already. i would like something else.

UrQuan

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf

Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.

That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.

AlexDougherty

Ur-Quan wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf

Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.

That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.

Well I guess we got different impressions, I have no doubt that the Falmer were there for quite a while, but I got the impression that the Chantry survived for quite a while as well.

The problem is that we only have the conversations with Gelebor and a few snippets from his brother Vyrthur before we kill him, and neither give much in the way of details. Especially how long ago these events happened. The website says the Snow Nlf culture collapsed in the second Era, but this game is set in the second Era, so it might not have happened yet.

Oh well, all sorts of arguements and counter arguements spring to mind, guess we'll have to disagree slightly.

DireKit

Still want Centaur as a race.

And yes, they're validly a race in the Lore. The Centaur were featured in Daggerfall, just before anyone argues "DAT DON'T EXIST IN TEH ELDAR SCRULLS!"

Rosveen

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Ur-Quan wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

they have been extinct since the early first era, the only 2 known remaining snow elves at the second era are Knight-paladin Gelebor and Arch-curate Vyrthur(wich is also a vampire).
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Snow_Elf

Um, I check to be sure, but there is no date for when the chantry fell, and given the conversations in Skyrim, I got the idea that it was much later than this game.

That's definitely not the impression I got. From those conversations I got the impression that the Falmer (as in the ones mutated by generations of living as slaves of the Dwemer) came to the Forgotten Vale relatively shortly after the Dwemer disappeared - maybe a few generations later (if that). Given that the Dwemer disappeared in 1E 700 and ESO takes place in 2E 582, that's a gap of about 3000 years. I really don't think the Chantry survived that long.

Well I guess we got different impressions, I have no doubt that the Falmer were there for quite a while, but I got the impression that the Chantry survived for quite a while as well.

The problem is that we only have the conversations with Gelebor and a few snippets from his brother Vyrthur before we kill him, and neither give much in the way of details. Especially how long ago these events happened. The website says the Snow Nlf culture collapsed in the second Era, but this game is set in the second Era, so it might not have happened yet.

Oh well, all sorts of arguements and counter arguements spring to mind, guess we'll have to disagree slightly.

It says "In truth, they are probably far older as Snow Elf culture collapsed before the Second Era." Not that it matters, because one should never use TES Wiki for lore.

We don't need to determine when exactly the Chantry fell. I'm inclined to agree with Ur-Quan, but even if it survived until the Alliance War, we know it harbored only a very small, isolated population. From Gelebor: "Correct. We only numbered perhaps a hundred at a time, so our presence remained a secret to the dwarves and the Nords."

I really can't see it as a place visited by thousands upon thousands of adventurers. There could be other hidden enclaves, but they would be side quest material at best - definitely nothing that could make Falmer a playable race.

Saerydoth

No, they're not a possible future race. You *really* don't want to play Falmer, trust me. They are hideous. As far as I'm aware, there are only 2 Falmer still living who have their original forms (before they were mutated and enslaved by the Dwemer), and I think one of them is a vampire. Since the name "Falmer" has become associated with the diseased mutants that most of the race has become, the 2 living ones won't even call themselves Falmer anymore, preferring to be called "snow elves".

Read about them here. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Snow_Elf

Noobie

No, i dont think this game is going to make it that far to be honest