For the love of god hell no!

Reason, go look at gw2. The entire auction house is run by a minority of players jacking prices and driving prices down how they see fit. Having an open player to player trading system will always be the best bet and allow the fairest of prices across the board.

At first i found it a nice idea to not have a cental AH to leave no room for forcing up of prices. But as i have seen how that turned out i changed my mind.
The alternative is people spamming all chats with their vendor trash.
If you are looking for a specific item you have to be lucky to find a seller.
We join as many trading guilds as we have room for. I dont think that that is the proper usage of the guild feature.
No central AH doesnt stop gold sellers and spammers in any way, on the contrary, it might drive people right to them because they have more and cheaper.

TRIP233 wrote: »

Does anyone read the forums, the announcements for future content? The developers already said an AH is coming. Guilds can bid on a kiosk in EVERY major city. Highest bidding guild will get the kiosk for a week. Every Player regardless of guild affiliation/alliance will be able to buy from that kiosk/guild.

I voted "No" because this Poll is pointless.

That's not really an auction house though and doesn't operate the same way. It limits the supplier-side to a single entity per city. So at least half of the issues with the current system will still be there. Even though customer access to these markets will be increased, competition will still be stifled considerably.

One likely result is guilds will attempt to make a fortune off of gold-buyers by buying up the kiosks and price gouging rich customers. Or we could get extremely lucky and fair-minded guilds with large stocks of goods in demand will buy these kiosks and sell to the rest of us. But I'll be really surprised if that happens.

I agree it's a step in the right direction. And at least they recognize that there is a problem here that needs addressing. But I doubt it's going to be a complete solution. And I don't think the announcement of Kiosks renders this poll pointless. Because they are not the same as auction houses.

Tootall2186 wrote: »

The entire auction house is run by a minority of players jacking prices and driving prices down how they see fit. Having an open player to player trading system will always be the best bet and allow the fairest of prices across the board.

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I don't need someone price fixing in a video game. I have to deal with that in real life.

dietlime wrote: »

If you want an auction house, you weren't there for D3.

I never played D3. But I'm told it was the influence of RMT that spelled disaster for that game's economy.

But I have played Final Fantasy 11, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy 14... etc. All of them successful games with auction houses and fully-functional economies that worked much better than this game's economy.

So to let a single game convince you something is so inherently bad when so many other games have used them successfully I think does you a disservice. The odds are better than the problem with D3 was something else particular with that game specifically rather the auction house itself.

I want a localized auction house, but not a server-wide auction house. Though, if they implement this guild stores in towns thing, that might just do the trick.

Problem is that guild stores don't even work publicly at the moment. You cannot go to Cyrodiil and buy from a store there.

TRIP233 wrote: »

Does anyone read the forums, the announcements for future content? The developers already said an AH is coming. Guilds can bid on a kiosk in EVERY major city. Highest bidding guild will get the kiosk for a week. Every Player regardless of guild affiliation/alliance will be able to buy from that kiosk/guild.

I voted "No" because this Poll is pointless.

I can't wait for the kiosk, my goal is to own all of them before I stop playing. I will out bid everyone (with my guilds help) Till I control the market every week. And, once I corner the kiosks then people will only buy from me.

/cue evil laugh.

Interesting that it's about 60/40 in this section too. So, two different polls in two different sections both had pretty much the same results.

So, why don't we have a feature that more than half of the sampled player base wants? If I owned a company and more than half of my customers wanted something, I know what I would do.

Jeremy wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

If you want an auction house, you weren't there for D3.

I never played D3. But I'm told it was the influence of RMT that spelled disaster for that game's economy.

But I have played Final Fantasy 11, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy 14... etc. All of them successful games with auction houses and fully-functional economies that worked much better than this game's economy.

So to let a single game convince you something is so inherently bad when so many other games have used them successfully I think does you a disservice. The odds are better than the problem with D3 was something else particular with that game specifically rather the auction house itself.

It was far more complicated than just the RMT. The RMT AH contributed more than it's fair share, but ultimately, it was the sheer number of players selling that killed the economy. It's also important to note the RMT wasn't implemented until several months after launch. The damage had already been done to the economy by the time the RMT came into play. RMT just made a bad situation worse really.

Itemization was ruined from the first week the game launched because the AH was flooded with items with the best itemization possible to the point where drops no longer mattered to individual players because the drops were so highly randomized in stat distribution that no matter how lucky you were with the RNG, the AH always had a better item.

Items like Dwarven Oil that are used frequently and aren't exactly rare on an individual player basis would become so common in a global AH that the price for them would plummet so low that it would barely sell for more than it's vendor price. When this happens, the only sellers who can win in the market are the ones with the truly rare items that may have only dropped for 10 players in the entire game.

I like a good deal as much as the next guy, but there comes a point where undercutting hurts an economy significantly. Prices plummet so far for common/uncommon items that it becomes nigh impossible to sell them because there are 2000 undercutters within a few minutes of when you created your auctions. Inflation then soars on the rarest of items to the point where only the wealthiest of players will ever be able to afford them without buying gold from gold sellers.

The best solution is somewhere in between a global AH and what we have right now. The current system is too restrictive, but a global AH doesn't have enough restrictions.

Orizuru wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

If you want an auction house, you weren't there for D3.

I never played D3. But I'm told it was the influence of RMT that spelled disaster for that game's economy.

But I have played Final Fantasy 11, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy 14... etc. All of them successful games with auction houses and fully-functional economies that worked much better than this game's economy.

So to let a single game convince you something is so inherently bad when so many other games have used them successfully I think does you a disservice. The odds are better than the problem with D3 was something else particular with that game specifically rather the auction house itself.

Items like Dwarven Oil that are used frequently and aren't exactly rare on an individual player basis would become so common in a global AH that the price for them would plummet so low that it would barely sell for more than it's vendor price. When this happens, the only sellers who can win in the market are the ones with the truly rare items that may have only dropped for 10 players in the entire game.

The best solution is somewhere in between a global AH and what we have right now. The current system is too restrictive, but a global AH doesn't have enough restrictions.

I never played Diablo 3 so it's all hear-say for me. So I'll avoid trying to debate the details about that as it would probably just make me look foolish. But I will point out Guild Wars 2 had a very effective auction house and it encompassed everyone. So it can work. That game proves it.

I disagree with you about dwarven oil. I believe this item would have sufficient demand to keep it from plummeting to vendor prices. And even assuming you were correct, if it did plummet to such a point people would stop selling it and as a result the prices would begin to rise again.

But all that being said, I would be fine with a compromise and would settle for a faction-wide auction house if that is what you would prefer.

wow a lot of people want an AH!

Orizuru wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Orizuru wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

dietlime wrote: »

If you want an auction house, you weren't there for D3.

I never played D3. But I'm told it was the influence of RMT that spelled disaster for that game's economy.

But I have played Final Fantasy 11, LOTRO, World of Warcraft, SWTOR, Aion, Guild Wars 2, Final Fantasy 14... etc. All of them successful games with auction houses and fully-functional economies that worked much better than this game's economy.

So to let a single game convince you something is so inherently bad when so many other games have used them successfully I think does you a disservice. The odds are better than the problem with D3 was something else particular with that game specifically rather the auction house itself.

Items like Dwarven Oil that are used frequently and aren't exactly rare on an individual player basis would become so common in a global AH that the price for them would plummet so low that it would barely sell for more than it's vendor price. When this happens, the only sellers who can win in the market are the ones with the truly rare items that may have only dropped for 10 players in the entire game.

The best solution is somewhere in between a global AH and what we have right now. The current system is too restrictive, but a global AH doesn't have enough restrictions.

I never played Diablo 3 so it's all hear-say for me. So I'll avoid trying to debate the details about that as it would probably just make me look foolish. But I will point out Guild Wars 2 had a very effective auction house and it encompassed everyone. So it can work. That game proves it.

I disagree with you about dwarven oil. I believe this item would have sufficient demand to keep it from plummeting to vendor prices. And even assuming you were correct, if it did plummet to such a point people would stop selling it and as a result the prices would begin to rise again.

But all that being said, I would be fine with a compromise and would settle for a faction-wide auction house if that is what you would prefer.

You have more trust in people's ability to know when to sell than I do.

I don't really think it has to do with trust. It's just realizing people aren't going to bother selling something if there is no profit to be made.

No, I what we have is perfect. Perhaps they could allow Guild alliances to merge the Guild AH. Perhaps that is a dev suggestion but there would need to be a cap

I voted no because of the way the server is set up. If we were on smaller servers it would work great, but on a large server, like a megaserver, it would simply destroy the economy. Right now the value of things is as it is because it is not simply a matter of posting them to a global auction house. Imagine if everything was on one AH, prices would crash pretty fast. It would lead to either a horrible economy where everything is worthless, or a group of people artificially inflating prices by controlling the market (usually bots or gold sellers buying everything and then jacking the prices up to a level that forces people to either grind or buy gold).

Alternatively, I think there needs to be a better way to handle trading guild though. Maybe set up a way for trading guilds to register as such, a different type of guild structure or something. Have a place in major towns where you can go and join the different guilds and looks for what you want. The problem with this would be that it would be possible for someone to automate the process and flip through guilds to try to control the market, so a solution to that my need to be found as well. It was just an idea that seemed like a good compromise.

We need an auction house, savvy?