Do you want an auction house?
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Wolfshead✭✭✭✭@david271749
Well i don't know about you but i have learn one thing about new release mmo that the don't always have time to add everything the wont at start of mmo and the thing get add along the way when do have time i don't know about but would like to wait 1 or 2 more year before you can play ESO?
I was play AoC it took them all way to there 1 st expansion until everything that want to add to the game was in the game at least we know we are go to get in future and the future can be everything from 1 month to 12 month and do you really think the are go to add AH faster just for people vote yes on the forum?If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled; for you are in Elysium, and you're already deadWhat we do in life, echoes in eternity0 -
joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭✭NoBut would like the Guild Stores streamlined. @player should be able to post items to all of their Gstores simultaneously, perhaps with a higher posting cap instead of 30 items. @player should also be able to peruse all their Gstore offerings simultaneously, with much better searching functions.
And how will a global AH impact Alliance keep stores in Cyrodiil?
Rather wait to see what ESO is adding with the Kiosks.
The 30 item posting cap is to limit any one person's ability to single-handedly ruin the guild's economy by buying up all the cheap items and relisting them at very high prices.
Actually, the other check the game has for this is that it's very much not in your interest to ruin the economies of the trade guilds you're in. Because we have effectively numerous small economies, each representated by a guild, when one gets manipulated and completely screwed up, everyone can leave that guild and find a new economy to work in. In the case of a global auction house, it may be harder to manipulate that economy, but the payoff for doing so is enormous because there's nowhere else that players can go. They have to pay those inflated prices, because those are the only prices. Guilds offer competing economies and naturally protect against any small group of people completely taking over.
The current system is one of my favorite parts about the game. It makes crafting worthwhile and it's fun figuring out what works in the trade guilds I'm in. It provides a payoff just for figuring out what sells cheap in one guild and isn't available in another guild. I enjoy it.
With a global auction house, I would expect to see common items and crafted items listed so low in price that you're better off vendoring items and ignoring crafting. Then I'd expect to see rare farmed drops listed excruciatingly high because whoever raised the capital to buy them all up first will be able to set the price to whatever they want for as long as they play. Eventually, you'll have an economy like the one in GW2, where the only way to make money without farming is to buy items, throw them into the mystic forge, and hope to get something more expensive out of it. That's it. Nothing else will be worth doing.. Fun.0 -
david271749✭✭✭✭✭Yes@david271749
Do you really think the are go to add AH faster just for people vote yes on the forum?
Nope.
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Soupypoop✭✭NoYou can NOT have a stable economy on this large of a (mega)server with a global AH, even *if* it was still just restricted to each faction (meaning three global AHs total).
I used to play WoW and hit the gold cap 100% legit. I used addons, of course, but every technique, every method, every addon I used was within the TOS. The one thing I learned is that the larger the population that is using an AH, the harder it is to make money from it. You may be thinking 'well, it just means more buyers', and while that is true, it also means more people camping the AH with one goal in mind - make more money than everyone else.
I'm not against some form of global AH, but it MUST be done correctly to ensure you all, the casual players, can still make decent profit off of it without being undercut constantly. Trust me, if ZOS implemented a global AH with no restrictions other than the listing fee, you would be undercut so quick and so often, you would give up and demand the old system in a heartbeat.
With that being said, I have to vote no. The reason why the AHs work on WoW is because they are fragmented by servers. Yes, WoW has millions of players, but not all of them are crammed into one server like you have on ESO. Guild stores mimic this fragmentation, but imo, it's *too* fragmented. Thus, I think the upcoming guild store kiosks, which make guild stores public to other players, might be a huge help. Just as well, I think guild capacity should be increased.Edited by Soupypoop on 26 May 2014 06:370 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭YesWe get a very limited number of sell spaces and they stay for 30 days. Fine for someone that play once / week.0 -
Anex✭✭✭NoMy reason for choosing no is this:
1) People are more willing to TRADE for items. "I offer you THIS in exchange for THAT".
2) Gold is less all-powerful. Without an AH to compare prices of everything between everyone else, gold is less of an issue. People are willing to trade, haggle and exchange. Because of that gold is also less attractive for being bought and sold for real life currency. I am not saying it doesn't happen, but it is LESS attractive. Bot also have a harder time hawking their wares.
What I wouldn't be against though is some sort of trading post or something. Like a craig's list or similar where people can post what they are selling and individuals can reply to it with either making an offer or paying etc. I haven't really thought long and hard about how to implement such an idea, but it is a general rough idea.
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭NoBlackwidow wrote: »ViciousWayz wrote: »Typically I like Auction Houses. However, I think it would be best to have something that meets half-way, like what another suggested Keep Stores and Guild stores to the public. Heck it would be very cool if they had a whole area dedicated to guild stores, where you can go and talk to NPC merchants representing the guild's and browse their stores. There will be A LOT to sift through, however maybe they could be in order a bit based on # of items listed, guild members, VR guilds, etc.. there are many ways to do it.
That just seems like a much more complicated global AH.The main issue with Auction Houses... despite lag with them at times, it's easy to corner a market on something and buy up all of particular items and then resell them at very high prices. This is not a good thing for the community.
First, what do you think people are doing now in guild stores? They are doing this very thing, but it is easier, because they only have to buy a few items instead of thousands.
Second, if it was done on a real AH, at least players all over could add more of the item and that would kill that system. Balance it a lot easier to achieve on a massive scale.Unless there was sort of price stabilization but that would be a lot more extra work, testing, upkeep for ZOS and they have more important and better things to focus on.
Price stabilization happens naturally over time. If you see a price that is too high, don't buy it. Wait until it goes down. It always will.Everyone seems to have their own opinions on this, but I really believe some sort of hybrid would be great.
Anything is better than what they have now.
It would be a bit more complicated (my suggestion) to set up, however it would be worth it. Since when is the easy route definitely the best route? Have you not seen other MMOs AH? Some are horrible. No they don't stabilize themselves. There are many players sitting on hundreds of thousands of gold right now who could corner any market they like. This does not happen in Guild Stores for certain in ESO. Yes some it may, but I find very good deals and list stuff cheaper for my Guild than I sell in channels. I belong to 5 guilds... a PVP guilds, a dungeon guild, one that I have with some friends, and two trading with maxed out 500 members (also the PVP has almost maxed members with an active store). I have been with 3 of them since early access and this has not been the case.
Prices don't always go down so quick unless you are talking years when there are few people playing. This is pure speculation and an assumption. Sometimes prices go up as well.
And not anything is better than what they have now. Making it WORSE would not be better, and a global auction house could easily make it worse. There are more tactical ways they can go about it which will require more effort but be worth it in the long run. But of course, to each their own.
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TRIP233✭✭✭NoDoes anyone read the forums, the announcements for future content? The developers already said an AH is coming. Guilds can bid on a kiosk in EVERY major city. Highest bidding guild will get the kiosk for a week. Every Player regardless of guild affiliation/alliance will be able to buy from that kiosk/guild.
I voted "No" because this Poll is pointless.Edited by TRIP233 on 26 May 2014 07:080 -
Swordguy✭✭✭Novoted no, simply because of how taxing a global auction house is on a mega server. the compromise would be to increase guild size, but then there's pvp guilds to consider...IN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!
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✭✭YesViciousWayz wrote: »It would be a bit more complicated (my suggestion) to set up, however it would be worth it.
I'll keep an open mind. Please explain.Since when is the easy route definitely the best route?
99% of the time, but please go on.Have you not seen other MMOs AH?
Yes, overall I love them.Some are horrible.
Examples?No they don't stabilize themselves.
Agree to disagree, but please go on.There are many players sitting on hundreds of thousands of gold right now who could corner any market they like.
How?Snip
I'm not going to keep going because you did not even try to explain how your system would work. You just started to try to tell be the good side of guild stores.
There is no good side as far as I am concerned, but I was hoping you could explain how your system could change that.0 -
Dubah✭✭✭NoI love having an auction house to go to but here is my problem with AH's it really ruins the interaction between people. I like haggling and you can't really do that on an AH. It's either this price or don't buy it where as if i find someone i can purchase something from directly and i can haggle a bit and maybe talk him down a little to see if i can get the best deal i can get. Global AH, not a good idea at this time imho0
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Slantasiam✭✭✭YesKrisFahring wrote: »And all the botters say "yes". Please do not ruin our economy by letting the botters run it. Every gold selling hack would crash the game with all the stuff they are trying to push on everyone in the game. The current system works perfectly IMO because in order to get into the guild store they actually need to be part of that guild.
I don't see many gold selling spammers in guilds if they are they are kicked out shortly after they start spamming.
lol ruin the economy?what economy? only thing worth buying are some food mats the odd set piece legend mats and stuff so nerfed into oblivion that only the lottery winners and bots can get...not really much to buy.... ruin the economy was a joke right?0 -
DrPainZA✭NoHmmm no. We get by with emails and COD. I would rather that time be spent fixing the game than adding new content which is subject to new bugs."I don't have the time or the crayons to explain it to you"0 -
Gwarok✭✭✭NoThis thread has now qualified for a
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balrog9731_ESOSoul ShrivenNoWhile I would like better non add-on search options, the multiple, limited market system in place is dynamic enough to cover most players' needs.0
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭NoBlackwidow wrote: »ViciousWayz wrote: »It would be a bit more complicated (my suggestion) to set up, however it would be worth it.
I'll keep an open mind. Please explain.Since when is the easy route definitely the best route?
99% of the time, but please go on.Have you not seen other MMOs AH?
Yes, overall I love them.Some are horrible.
Examples?No they don't stabilize themselves.
Agree to disagree, but please go on.There are many players sitting on hundreds of thousands of gold right now who could corner any market they like.
How?Snip
I'm not going to keep going because you did not even try to explain how your system would work. You just started to try to tell be the good side of guild stores.
There is no good side as far as I am concerned, but I was hoping you could explain how your system could change that.
Explain? Read my first post again. If my suggestions weren't clear enough then you have other things to worry about besides an Auction House.
99% of the time statistics are made up. We can both pull numbers out of thin air, magic!
That's you who loves them. I think they can greatly ruin the economy and people actually enjoying the game. ZOS themselves stated why it wouldn't work with their plan with is in line with what I said.
You don't have to agree, just look at how motif prices were high, dropped, went higher than ever, now back to "high" point but not lowest. There's proof in itself.
How could players corner a market? Again, re-read my original post and the post I made right after it.
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Blackwidow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭YesViciousWayz wrote: »Explain?
Yes, I said that would basically be like an AH but more complicated.
You said it was not quite that simple.
I was asking to explain how it would be better.
So, you want to explain or not?0 -
indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭NoI think the guild stores are fine the way they are.
I understand what Zeni is trying to do here - trying to avoid the same old failed economy systems in most MMO's.
Is there effort here a lost cause? I personally think it's too soon to tell.
I do, however, wish that the search features for guild stores were more robust.0 -
ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭NoBlackwidow wrote: »ViciousWayz wrote: »Explain?
Yes, I said that would basically be like an AH but more complicated.
You said it was not quite that simple.
I was asking to explain how it would be better.
So, you want to explain or not?
Did you skip sections of reading? You said it would be complicated in reply to my suggestion. I said it would not be simple (which agreed it would be more complicated) but then stated (in other words) that just because something is more complex, does not mean it's not worth it. Very simple.
If you'd put together everything I have said, you'd have the answer to your own question.
Edited by ThisOnePosts on 26 May 2014 07:490 -
Sadae✭✭✭NoOh yes, let's have a centralized place that the farmers can dominate and drive prices up to point you HAVE to buy their farmed gold in order to afford anything. D3 anybody?
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✭✭YesViciousWayz wrote: »If you'd put together everything I have said, you'd have the answer to your own question.
I think I have all the answers I need from you, thanks.
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ThisOnePosts✭✭✭✭✭NoBlackwidow wrote: »ViciousWayz wrote: »If you'd put together everything I have said, you'd have the answer to your own question.
I think I have all the answers I need from you, thanks.
You shouldn't have needed any, they have been there the entire time. But NP anyway.
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Scyrinal✭NoThe Devs have said no so many times to this! Its just sad to see people still trying to get it in the game like this.1
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canghai✭✭✭i heard in wildstar, the gms give u 10% cash back (real money) on anything u buy in their AH0
