Low FPS (30s/20s) on GTX 780 (not sli)

Furian · April 2014

My card is an Asus.... and after I installed the new hardware I'm getting FPS in the 140s now, with the frame rate capped at 1000.

I dont recall the future mark score after upgrading, but it was near 9k. I scored in the 60ks with Realbench, but keep in mind, my Windows 8.1 box is not optimized, its just a basic install, and I'm doing no overclocking anywhere.

I'm perfectly satisfied with this new setup.

Daverios wrote: »

Scored a 6327 with Futuremark3d.

Ok, I have broken down and ordered the following..... lets see if it makes a difference along with my GTX780.

Intel Core i7-4770K Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I74770K

ASUS MAXIMUS VI FORMULA LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX gaming board with double-sided ROG Armor, 23C-degrees cooler CrossChill and 120dB SNR, 600ohm audio

That score is remarkable low for what I would have expected. My 9k is on a fully optimized win 7. I5 second gen. Not a super cpu but more than eso needs.

See it is 6 days since ya posted but I will see if I cam dig up my 3d mark screengrab. What is your card manufacturer? Not all nvidia cards are equal and gigabyte and sapphire are basically like cheap chinese rip offs dont buy these, spend the extra on evga or asus always and msi iz good too.

One thing I always recommend before going too far down replacing hardware is to do a clean install with the latest operating system release for your license. This is because Windows Stores a side by side file for the purpose of system restores that actually adds a large folder which is constantly referenced and overtime can grow and seriously slow down your entire system. this is why I get in the latest release is vital because it eliminates the side by side history and references but it will start growing again with each Windows Update. Linux users have spent literally hours ranting at Microsoft about this very thing so I won't bother here.

if you properly backup your data and applications and keep them out of your OS doing a clean install is a very simple task and only takes an hour.

You can get the latest release online but do not pirate it use the one you are licensed for and activate with your license key usually stuck on the box / case.

After installing find a site that shows you how to optimize win 7. It makes a big difference. Your windows folder should go from about 30gb on clean install to around 16gb optimized. That is how much stuff you do not need.

melodeath · April 2014

i5 4670k-msi gtx770 2g-8gig ram-samsung evo ssd.
with everything max and v-sync on 1080p i get a constant 60 fps unless i'm in a city, even if there are barely people in it, i'm still getting a slight fps drop wich is noticable, but i even have this issue in world of warcraft aswell.

Furian · April 2014

I was getting the same thing, even after I installed my new toys.... It was like it was stuck on 60. Try adjusting your setting suggested earlier in this thread, if you are still stuck on 60, try lowering your resolution to something very low, then changing it it back. I don't know why, but after I did this, my FPS skyrocked.

melodeath wrote: »

i5 4670k-msi gtx770 2g-8gig ram-samsung evo ssd.
with everything max and v-sync on 1080p i get a constant 60 fps unless i'm in a city, even if there are barely people in it, i'm still getting a slight fps drop wich is noticable, but i even have this issue in world of warcraft aswell.

felixgamingx1 · April 2014

@Furian‌
The human eye can only see 20 Fps so you good

Tristis Oris · April 2014

me sorry if for you 20fps it normal)

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO · April 2014

This is one of the funniest threads I have read here in a long time -

Furian · April 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

@Furian‌
The human eye can only see 20 Fps so you good

Yes, the human eye can only see 20FPS, but if you are only getting 20FPS, your FPS will drop to ZERO when you are not in a blank room with nobody else around.

The thread isn't about what the human eye can see, the thread is about maximizing the use of your hardware.

j.frank.nicholsb14_ESO wrote: »

This is one of the funniest threads I have read here in a long time -

Well, I suppose the thread can only go so long before it starts getting filled with useless information.... at least it lasted this long.

Fishface · April 2014

Guess what guys? I just bought a GTX 780 to get a higher fps specifically in ESO. To my great surprise it turned out my old piece of crap Radeon from 2010 could actually pull off a better fps than this brand new 780.

400€ well spent. I really, really hope they will patch this *** sooner rather than later.

Saerydoth · April 2014

felixgamingx1 wrote: »

@Furian‌
The human eye can only see 20 Fps so you good

This is an urban legend and is wrong. Your eye doesn't see "FPS" at all, and people have shown to be able to tell the difference (barely) up to 180FPS or so, although that's not needed for it to look smooth.

The difference between 30 and 60 is night and day. If you can't see it, then you need to get your eyes examined.

Darkstarz · April 2014

Neshira wrote: »

Greetings everyone,

I've got the exact same issue as the OP.

My system:
GTX 780 (Asus DCII), i7 2600, Win7 64 bit, 16GB Ram, and everything running on SSDs.

Its not simply a "graphic card cant deliver" issue. The problem is that TESO only draws about half of the 780s power, my GPU usage is on average between 40% and 60%. Its not a bottlebneck issue either,CPU usage is at 20% on average, and other games (e.g. Thief, Rome II, various benchmarks) get to 100% GPU usage without a problem.

I've tried various different driver versions and almost all possible setting combinations, both ingame and in the nvidia control panel, to no effect.

I have also spoken to several other 780 owners ingame, who all reported the same problem (only 50% GPU usage)... maybe a general problem with the GK110 architecture (havent spoken to any 780Ti/Titan owners yet)?

I Also am one of the gtx 780 ti owners and get this issue the power draw is 40-50% and useage is 20-50% and the gpu clock doesnt goto boost stays at 876mhz at times it works as intended and it puts the power and useage to where it should be and i lock at 100FPS with adaptive v-sync on i found the in game vsync caused more tearing it does seam the more crouded the area the worse off it is and cpu useage stays very low also. got a 3770k oced to 4.8ghz and 16gb of 2133mhz ram so the system is not the issue but i DO have a SSD as a cache drive with the game on a WD velociraptor which is the drive being cached. I have also tried many tweaks in various post and nothing fixed the issue.

SikoticDemon · April 2014

This issue isn't exclusive to Nvidia cards. I too see only low 30's fps out in the open but once in a smaller mapped area I see 60's.

My build:
AMD A8-5500 (3.2ghz overclocked to 3.5ghz)
16 gb ram
1.5tb hdd
XFX Radeon 7770
850w thermaltake psu

I cant accurately gage my power draw, though I imagine its not much. The video card runs around 40c (and the fan is either dead silent or never speeds up). That leads me to believe it's not stressed. My cpu is a different story though. It seems to average in the low 60's now that I have the liquid cooler on it (it was mid 80's prior to that)

Zabus · April 2014

Never get over 50% on my 780, every other game runs fine. I guess we'll have to wait for nvidia to release new drivers that hopefully fix this issue.

Perseas · April 2014

patrikblb16_ESO wrote: »

Neshira wrote: »

After some playing with downsampling, i have to say, yes, the game looks a ton better, no doubt. unfortunately it did not really cause a higher GPU utilization, still hanging around at 60ish %...

You probably hit the softcap, to get more you need to edit the UserSettings.txt, first of all you should increase the maximum FPS, and then you could try changing the GPUSmoothing.

SET GPUSmoothingFrames "10" -> SET GPUSmoothingFrames "0"
SET MinFrameTime.2 "0.01000000" -> SET MinFrameTime.2 "0.00100000" (This sets your maximum FPS in-game to 1000.)

This have made my cards in SLI to work at very close to maximum power when it is needed. However, my cards are watercooled so there is no real drawback for me having them running at full speed 24/7 other than the powerbill, if you have the stock cooler you might want to make sure it run at lower load to keep it colder.

If I add this changes, is it safe for a single card? NOT SLI... I also have gtx 780 and my entire game is 28-34 fps and some dungeons are with fps lag, bellow 20.

Maleficus · April 2014

SLI or not you can un cap the games FPS limiter.. Some cards can get hot when they are delivering very high frame rates, this is also dependent on the other demands on the card. But in general removing fps caps is a common practice.

I have a EVGA 780 Ti Classified and run this game at 5760x1080, with 20 or so addons, SweetFX 1.5.1 with ULTRA SMAA and some other shaders running, I am using a custom launcher (http://www.gamemodi.net/) that lets you increase draw distances, increase both first and third person FOV, and force High Detail textures always .. (kinda like negative load bias) .. I am also running all in game settings at max and no vsync.

Also have the following usersettings.txt changes:

SET MIP_LOAD_SKIP_LEVELS "-3"
SET HIGH_RESOLUTION_SHADOWS "1"
SET COLOR_CORRECTION "1"
SET GraphicsDriver.7 "D3D11"
SET SkipPregameVideos "1"
SET GPUSmoothingFrames "0"
SET MinFrameTime.2 "0.00100000"

Pretty much all of the above settings increase the games demand on the system:

So, at that resolution, in town my FPS is around 25-30 sometimes higher depending on time of day and 30-40 everywhere else..

At standard 1920x1080 with all those tweaks I average 50-70 fps pretty much everywhere.

I have noticed that my vram averages about 1400 megs.. This seems about right given the overall low resolution of the game textures, they look great at a distance but up close the detail is lacking. So vram usage on this game is not that demanding even at surround resolutions.

Trouble Shooting Steps:

Uncap your FPS using the game settings and the above user settings.
Force maximum performance on your video card, card throttling can cause stutters.
Un park your CPU cores - forces the cpu to use all its cores equally (as best it can)
OC your CPU if you can and have the knowledge to do so. This game has an Cpu thread 0 issue, so the faster you can process what you need to the faster it can get to the gpu.
The latest Nvidia Beta drivers work great use them.

Perform a real and full clean of your drivers in safe mode as an admin with the following tool http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_uninstaller_download.html

This last step will likely help many of you...

BenjaminKacher_ESO · April 2014

running at 55fps with a 780 here...

tordr86b16_ESO · April 2014

I have an GTX 780 and my FPS is running stable at 50-60 FPS. My other specs are:

core i5 3570k oc'd to 4.6 Ghz
1600 Mhz memory (24Gb)
3 Raid 0 HyperX SSD
Windows 7

Perseas · April 2014

Maleficus wrote: »

SLI or not you can un cap the games FPS limiter.. Some cards can get hot when they are delivering very high frame rates, this is also dependent on the other demands on the card. But in general removing fps caps is a common practice.

I have a EVGA 780 Ti Classified and run this game at 5760x1080, with 20 or so addons, SweetFX 1.5.1 with ULTRA SMAA and some other shaders running, I am using a custom launcher (http://www.gamemodi.net/) that lets you increase draw distances, increase both first and third person FOV, and force High Detail textures always .. (kinda like negative load bias) .. I am also running all in game settings at max and no vsync.

Also have the following usersettings.txt changes:

SET MIP_LOAD_SKIP_LEVELS "-3"
SET HIGH_RESOLUTION_SHADOWS "1"
SET COLOR_CORRECTION "1"
SET GraphicsDriver.7 "D3D11"
SET SkipPregameVideos "1"
SET GPUSmoothingFrames "0"
SET MinFrameTime.2 "0.00100000"

Pretty much all of the above settings increase the games demand on the system:

So, at that resolution, in town my FPS is around 25-30 sometimes higher depending on time of day and 30-40 everywhere else..

At standard 1920x1080 with all those tweaks I average 50-70 fps pretty much everywhere.

I have noticed that my vram averages about 1400 megs.. This seems about right given the overall low resolution of the game textures, they look great at a distance but up close the detail is lacking. So vram usage on this game is not that demanding even at surround resolutions.

Trouble Shooting Steps:

Uncap your FPS using the game settings and the above user settings.
Force maximum performance on your video card, card throttling can cause stutters.
Un park your CPU cores - forces the cpu to use all its cores equally (as best it can)
OC your CPU if you can and have the knowledge to do so. This game has an Cpu thread 0 issue, so the faster you can process what you need to the faster it can get to the gpu.
The latest Nvidia Beta drivers work great use them.

Perform a real and full clean of your drivers in safe mode as an admin with the following tool http://www.guru3d.com/files_details/display_driver_uninstaller_download.html

This last step will likely help many of you...

My gtx 780 is one of the coolest models in the market, ASUS direct cuII OC gtx 780. In stress tests it never goes more than 64c and in game environments, never goes more than 55. So temps is not a problem for me...

ALSO my gtx780 consumes less power than gtx770... its a good model even for sli, less power and high performance. Anyway, I will modify the inf files and see what happens.

ATI have an issue with hot cards right now. They claim, thats how it should be.. but its so hot. Even the aftermarket models are hot, u cannot touch the plastics of the card, even if it shows 70c... it melts! Only if u watercool it.

Maleficus · April 2014

ATI is cheaper for a reason...

RinaldoGandolphi · April 2014

Maleficus wrote: »

ATI is cheaper for a reason...

my R9 280x never exceeds 62c it runs cool. Amd gpu are safe up to 86c its how they are designed. They only run hotter because they have insane compute performance...there is a reason crypto currency miners only buy and cards and and cards are still more expensive due to massive demand for them due to coin mining.

I personally think both nvidia and AMD are good cards. Amd is better at compute, nvidia has physx and shadowplay. I don't think either is better, just depends what features you value more.

Syntse · April 2014

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

I have an GTX 780 and my FPS is running stable at 50-60 FPS. My other specs are:

And you're happy with that? GTX 780 here and about the same FPS, towns with lots of population bit less. However I think with the card and i5-4670k I should be getting way more than 50-60 FPS on this game.

BF4 which is very graphics demanding with all kinds of levolutions my setup gives 100 FPS. So I would expect that in TESO I should be getting at least the same.

CrispZ · April 2014

same problem this need fixing

d1craig.crb16_ESO · May 2014

i dont know if this has been fixed or not but ill add my info to this;
i7-2600 (no OC)
AMD HD 7850
8GB ram
normal HDD

i can run this game very well. it wasnt until i read this thread and a few others that i noticed what you are talking about.

i play on max settings;
60-90 FPS (it drops to 60 but not very often) while outside and in dungeons.
20-40 FPS in towns.
thats a 60% decrease

i remember swtor had this exact same problem or atleast what i think is the problem - when there are more players the performance drops alot.

Auric_ESO · May 2014

Well true full screen mode should be deployed tomorrow. That should open up nvidia drivers to support sli and maybe even an optimization for eso

Blade_07 · May 2014

Having the same issue on my PC and its a beast! Its an ESO(Zenimax) problem for sure!

Niliu · May 2014

I noticed yesterday that all of a sudden my FPS had dropped dramatically, and it was stalling every now and then... Very frustrating.

8GB DDR3 RAM, EVGA GeForce GTX 660 2GB DDR5

Was running beautifully, a little lag in cities and a small amount if a portal or some such was filling my whole or a good chunk of my screen, but overall it ran very smoothly on high settings.

KORJ · May 2014

A month ago, did not have this problem

Syntse · May 2014

Seems true fullscreen has been introduced with the latest patch... and my fps has gone up greatly. Now mostly over 60fps unless in town.

Jade1986 · May 2014

After todays optimizations the game runs much better. Aside from the random spots like inside sheds, for some reason I get unexplainable drops there

Auric_ESO · May 2014

Wow laced. First positive comment from you in a while. I'm glad this thread is being revisited. As many of us thought the true full screen was a big hindrance. Now to go over to nvidia and yell for a driver update with some sli profiles

Jade1986 · May 2014

Auric_ESO wrote: »

Wow laced. First positive comment from you in a while. I'm glad this thread is being revisited. As many of us thought the true full screen was a big hindrance. Now to go over to nvidia and yell for a driver update with some sli profiles

Hey, I give credit where credit is due. The new optimizations for sli and the true full screen mode are a welcome addition and work wonderfully. I am also pleased that ZoS responded to the VR area issue relatively quickly. Unfortunately we still have the ridiculous 180+ ms lag for the EU servers, and now there is that really bad memory leak which causes the game to crash after 1 -2 hours, requiring a hard restart of your system, which ALSO causes your hard drive to fragment 2 - 5 percent. After experiencing the massive memory leak coupled with the no EU servers, I will still be staying away from this game unfortunately.