VR changes specifically to HP

ZurinArctus · May 2014

Overall mobs seem tougher, but was it really intended for mobs HPs to move from 2200-3200 HP range to 16557-17877? Quest mobs, trash mobs, you can see these guys all over the VR10 The Rift zone for DC.

Is this intended? I saw some move from ~2k to ~4k, definitely doable. 17k on trash? Not so much.

Edit: I am not taking into account how much harder mobs hit, etc. Just on HP alone.

meimei · May 2014

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Overall mobs seem tougher, but was it really intended for mobs HPs to move from 2200-3200 HP range to 16557-17877? Quest mobs, trash mobs, you can see these guys all over the VR10 The Rift zone for DC.

Is this intended? I saw some move from ~2k to ~4k, definitely doable. 17k on trash? Not so much.

Edit: I am not taking into account how much harder mobs hit, etc. Just on HP alone.

I was just grindng VR10 mobs in the Rift Zone & OMG the mobs health is a lot higher & they also do more damage. I did not get double experience for killing mobs. This really sucks! I'm dying now trying to grind packs of 3 mobs, before the patch it was no problem at all. Now I'll have to group just to kill normal mobs! Thank you ESO for taking the fun out of this game! And congrats for also making NB class worse than it was before......I did not think it was even possible! Some of the class skills that were not bugged bofore are now, LOL! Pathetic!!!!!!!

Psychoke · May 2014

meimei wrote: »

Thank you ESO for taking the fun out of this game! And congrats for also making NB class worse than it was before......I did not think it was even possible! Some of the class skills that were not bugged bofore are now, LOL! Pathetic!!!!!!!

why do people do this?
this should be flaggable as going off topic or just general b*tching, every argument about any changes of the game ends in these kind of comments

crislevin · May 2014

nerfing AoE, making mobs stronger, they are doing all of these to encourage grouping, I sure hope they make grouping easier first.

Worstluck · May 2014

Ok this is what it was...I am getting killed by some random zombies, that are taking ages to kill in a vr10 zone. I can only hope that this was unintended.

TheJadeFist · May 2014

crislevin wrote: »

nerfing AoE, making mobs stronger, they are doing all of these to encourage grouping, I sure hope they make grouping easier first.

Encourage grouping, but they've specifically said play how you want, alone or in a group.

I'm afraid to see how hard my ass will be kicked after this patch finally finishes downloading.

ZurinArctus · May 2014

Been playing around more in the Rift ... I also hope some of these changes are unintended.

To change what would have been solo content before patch to now group, is a wee bit crazy.

I can see the double HP amounts, but eight times? That essentially makes these trash mobs equivalent in HP to bosses.

The Trial of Body quest I saw a huge change. The brawlers before patch were at around 3200-4500 HP. Now they're sitting at 17k HP. The champions before were at about 7-8k HP and now they're at 13k HP. I can't see how the 'champions' would be a good 4k HP less than the regular brawlers.

Oh well. I hope the solo encounters that are phased out aren't tweaked as badly.

Elgarr · May 2014

They said xp for killing vet level mobs has more than doubled.
Are people saying this isn't the case?
If it isn't, better to report it might well not have gone through, or a bug etc.

crislevin · May 2014

TheJadeFist wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

nerfing AoE, making mobs stronger, they are doing all of these to encourage grouping, I sure hope they make grouping easier first.

Encourage grouping, but they've specifically said play how you want, alone or in a group.

I'm afraid to see how hard my ass will be kicked after this patch finally finishes downloading.

true. Since they are able to adjust mat regen rate based on population density in the area, I have to assume they can adjust mob HP/dmg based on population density as well.

The fact that they are not doing that, suggest they are force player to group.

However, without a proper, easy, hassle-free grouping mechanism, I am afraid this will backfire.

Worstluck · May 2014

Yeah I can't even complete this particular quest. I have to stop some ritual and three zombies attack me, but they are hitting me for 450 each and have a ton of hp...I don't remember it being this difficult...or am I mistaken?

stevenpotter321b14_ESO · May 2014

That quest has always been a pain in VR 10. I do enjoy the death recap though, seeing quick attack(light attack for a melee mob) listed 3 times for 450 each.

Then the helpful tips, like block, remember to use food and drink, use a potion, etc really help. Its like, Ive made it to VR 10 as a melee NB, Ive been doing it wrong the whole time, thanks for the sage advice.

Tavore1138 · May 2014

Psychoke wrote: »

meimei wrote: »

Thank you ESO for taking the fun out of this game! And congrats for also making NB class worse than it was before......I did not think it was even possible! Some of the class skills that were not bugged bofore are now, LOL! Pathetic!!!!!!!

why do people do this?
this should be flaggable as going off topic or just general b*tching, every argument about any changes of the game ends in these kind of comments

Why on earth is commenting on problems a problem for you - when did the world change so that reporting something broken was 'wrong'. Such anger with people who question authority is a reflection on you...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · May 2014

hmm, I noticed that I was getting hit harder by mobs, but maybe having some of my passives working counterbalanced the hp increase, because that I didn't notice.

It's a nice change imo, as a notoriously underpowered NB, I was getting by way too easy before.

That said, I had to go up against a gargoyle for a quest and it absolutely wasn't doable solo. I was able to in earlier vet ranks with the one I had to kill in Northpoint.

Not going to complain about the challenge rating increase. Actually more flustered by the cyrodiil npc level increase, where am I going to work on leveling up werewolf now?

NerfEverything · May 2014

Holy crap. VR mobs have gotten much more difficult. Looks like they just made it impossible to play solo anymore. Hope this wasn't intentional

zaria · May 2014

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Been playing around more in the Rift ... I also hope some of these changes are unintended.

To change what would have been solo content before patch to now group, is a wee bit crazy.

I can see the double HP amounts, but eight times? That essentially makes these trash mobs equivalent in HP to bosses.

The Trial of Body quest I saw a huge change. The brawlers before patch were at around 3200-4500 HP. Now they're sitting at 17k HP. The champions before were at about 7-8k HP and now they're at 13k HP. I can't see how the 'champions' would be a good 4k HP less than the regular brawlers.

Oh well. I hope the solo encounters that are phased out aren't tweaked as badly.

Sounds like a bug to me, my guess is that hp for cragtorn mob has been transferred to all VR10 mob.
With cragtorn the high level VR zones is obviously for solo play if you group you go to cragtorn.

GreasedLizard · May 2014

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Been playing around more in the Rift ... I also hope some of these changes are unintended.

To change what would have been solo content before patch to now group, is a wee bit crazy.

I can see the double HP amounts, but eight times? That essentially makes these trash mobs equivalent in HP to bosses.

The Trial of Body quest I saw a huge change. The brawlers before patch were at around 3200-4500 HP. Now they're sitting at 17k HP. The champions before were at about 7-8k HP and now they're at 13k HP. I can't see how the 'champions' would be a good 4k HP less than the regular brawlers.

Oh well. I hope the solo encounters that are phased out aren't tweaked as badly.

I did that quest yesterday as VR4 NB and they all had 17k.

Asava · May 2014

I think ZOS got xp confused with hp when they "doubled" them for mobs.....

nerevarine1138 · May 2014

I'm not seeing that much of an increase for VR5 mobs. Do you think there may be an issue with all VR10 mobs being put at Craglorn-level stats?

ZurinArctus · May 2014

Also, general trash mobs

GreasedLizard wrote: »

ZurinArctus wrote: »

Been playing around more in the Rift ... I also hope some of these changes are unintended.

To change what would have been solo content before patch to now group, is a wee bit crazy.

I can see the double HP amounts, but eight times? That essentially makes these trash mobs equivalent in HP to bosses.

The Trial of Body quest I saw a huge change. The brawlers before patch were at around 3200-4500 HP. Now they're sitting at 17k HP. The champions before were at about 7-8k HP and now they're at 13k HP. I can't see how the 'champions' would be a good 4k HP less than the regular brawlers.

Oh well. I hope the solo encounters that are phased out aren't tweaked as badly.

I did that quest yesterday as VR4 NB and they all had 17k.

Ah, interesting. Could've sworn it was these same mobs, as I was 2/4 on Brawlers yesterday before logging and logged in today to get rekt. Had to fall back on light armor and destruction staff from my medium armor and two handed I was leveling up.

It looks like some of these changes weren't intentional, which is good. I was getting discouraged.

meimei · May 2014

Psychoke wrote: »

meimei wrote: »

Thank you ESO for taking the fun out of this game! And congrats for also making NB class worse than it was before......I did not think it was even possible! Some of the class skills that were not bugged bofore are now, LOL! Pathetic!!!!!!!

why do people do this?
this should be flaggable as going off topic or just general b*tching, every argument about any changes of the game ends in these kind of comments

You don't like it don't read my post. Freedom of speech! If I'm not happy with something I will express my self! Remember I'm a "Paying Customer". Did I insult you in any way with my previous post? Didn't Madonna have a song "Express Yourself"?

GreasedLizard · May 2014

From reading quite a few threads, its maybe map 2+ Cadwell Gold

(VR7+)

I am getting hit harder though, no doubt about that. Even with 1k over soft cap for M.Res coming out of stealth/invis and 2k AR in that scenario, light attacks are hitting ~ 500.

I have beast HP for VR4 NB (2500) so a little breathing room to pop regen via invis without insta-rofl. If I still have my 'turn-in bar' loaded by accident ... prolly insta death lol

danteafk · May 2014

I hope is stays like this. Cannot stand the whining from all those crybabies wanting to have everything easier.

Skewki · May 2014

maybe they changed the v10 areas to have craglorn monsters. yay for bugs