Dont even use eclipse, because well frankly i find it not rly usefull for my skillset ( Im a healer in dungeons )

a question pls.
how can 54*4 and a 25% chance of a procc for 173 be strong?

I tested it with recount.
i make the spear 4 times a row and nearly everytime it proccs 1 time maybe 2 times.

at the same time when i make spear i can hit let me say 2 times with my shield and this makes 376*2 = 752 damage.
two hits yeah?

if i give in the spear in recount and just make the spear i come to maybe 160dps.
if i make just shield spam i can make 420-550 dps

so for boss fights the spear have also no use cause melee damage as a templar haha ?
You make 260 dps and a rogue 900 a sorcerer maybe 1000+

as caster you have your spells and make 300 dps.
don t know what i shall say more.

nephitis wrote: »

a question pls.
how can 54*4 and a 25% chance of a procc for 173 be strong?

I tested it with recount.
i make the spear 4 times a row and nearly everytime it proccs 1 time maybe 2 times.

at the same time when i make spear i can hit let me say 2 times with my shield and this makes 376*2 = 752 damage.
two hits yeah?

if i give in the spear in recount and just make the spear i come to maybe 160dps.
if i make just shield spam i can make 420-550 dps

so for boss fights the spear have also no use cause melee damage as a templar haha ?
You make 260 dps and a rogue 900 a sorcerer maybe 1000+

as caster you have your spells and make 300 dps.
don t know what i shall say more.

Biting Jabs is not 54 x 4. That might be what your tooltip reads (that's about what mine reads as well) but mine actually hits for over 100 per strike. Then on top of that, there's the passive that has a chance to hit on any and all of the strikes, I believe. That easily makes this our best AoE damage ability, and 2nd only to Backlash for single-target.

The problem with Biting Jabs at the moment, as I see it, is it's channeled. Dungeons are a already pain in the butt for melee characters (relative to ranged) and spamming a melee channeled attack doesn't exactly make things easier.

- Reduced movement speed for the duration of the channel makes it hard to walk out of AoE effects.
- We have to interrupt the channel in order to block/dodge, which is a waste of resources.
- We have less opportunities to animation cancel and work in white hits in-between abilities, which is how most specs generate their high dps.

There's really no way to fix the fact that this is channeled, but I think they should allow us to move at full speed while channeling (all melee channels should allow you to move at full speed, IMO) and we should be able to block while channeling. Many other skills allow you to continue blocking through their animation. Biting Jabs doesn't, which means we often have to waste half of the attack interrupting it to block.

As to what other dps skills we have, Backlash is probably the best single-target attack in the entire game (in a group setting), an both morphs of Sun Fire deal decent damage, as well (and because both of those are Dawn's Wrath abilities, they both generate additional ultimate on use, which is a nice bonus.) Dark Flare and Solar Barrage end up getting a little costly in a boss fight, but both are good skills to use in PvP, where you are looking for burst damage.

The problem isn't so much with our skills, it's with our resource management. If we had access to a crazy magicka battery like Dark Exchange, we'd be right up there with the other classes. Not that we need something quite that powerful, but we do need something more than just our passive regen and the set bonuses everyone else has access to.

-Travail.

As a templar, I haven't touched the Aedric Spear line. I've been stuck with the fireball attack and the first heal the most, those are always on my skill bar, but haven't found any others that are that great.

The templars skill i used the most to get to vet6 are:

Any weapon:
Bitting jabs.

Healing staff (i use to kill single enemies be it bosses or not , it is really handy to keep my mana up.)
Biding Javelin.
Unstable Core.
Honor the Dead (honestly , not the best morph i think , but im not paying the respec cost :P)
Repentance (to save mana on heals after fights)

Out of these , i pick skills from other tree lines usually.

Oh , this is what i use to solo PvE btw , not dungeons...

Yes, I think across the board there are just a lot of skills in general that need fixing/tweaking.
One such skill for us Templars is: Backlash. It's a great skill, just a shame that it hardly actually ever works.

Well i got Darkflare, which is nice if you spam it with 1 normal attack with flame/resto staff in between

Backslash if never used it, might equip it then to try it out once
Biting jabs feels like the only real good skill.. with Darkflare maybe..

Brasseurfb16_ESO wrote: »

Capicorp wrote: »

Blinding Flashes is a really great skill for melee templars. 3 flashes over 4 seconds that each have a 50% chance to blind and off-balance all enemies near you for 4.8 seconds is good CC and you get +500 spell resist from the your passive.

Yeah, I don't get why people think this skill is weak, it's stronger compared to any AoE blinding skills and it puts ennemies off-balance, increasing the damage done and knocking them down with the next heavy attack. (+ it stacks with ember explosion). And that's without even mentioning the synergy with Illuminate passive.

Ye except it bugs since the first time i got the skill and respect, it says i learned it, but cant use it..

Got to say, thx to this post i found out about how good backslash is... thx Its indeed very good on bosses !