Sorcs Need Nerfs in PVP Same as DK and WW

Wuuffyy · August 23

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Congrats, y'all got your Sorc nerfs. Hope ur happy

They’re so minor lol I would barely call them a nerf but besides that these forums are never happy.

25% off CoE

2,000 “mag recov” (+off resource) to 1,500 “mag recov” (+off resource)

From 5 Wretched Vitalities in a single passive to ~4 Wretched Vitalities in singular passive.

WOW! What a nerf!!

Oh, and they all still proc off Core Combat too I believe

Daoin · August 23

would the cheap shots taken at our arcanists not be enough to stop calling for nerfs ?

Turtle_Bot · August 23

Wuuffyy wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Congrats, y'all got your Sorc nerfs. Hope ur happy

They’re so minor lol I would barely call them a nerf but besides that these forums are never happy.

25% off CoE

2,000 “mag recov” (+off resource) to 1,500 “mag recov” (+off resource)

From 5 Wretched Vitalities in a single passive to ~4 Wretched Vitalities in singular passive.

WOW! What a nerf!!

Oh, and they all still proc off Core Combat too I believe

Well, I did try to put forward actual fixes for CoE, but the people voted and all we got instead was generic blanket nerfs that will do nothing to address the problem builds and only force more sorcs into those same builds since other builds got hit harder. 🙃

But that doesn't matter I guess, Sorc got "nerfed" and that's all the people care about.

SerafinaWaterstar · August 23

Lordy, just because some op pvp players are very good, does it have to mean that those of us who are distinctly average must suffer?!

(And no, I will not ‘git gud’ as I have a life outside gaming. I do this to relax & enjoy myself & care not a jot about being the best. That said, stopping shield stacking in pvp groups would be mightily appreciated.)

Wuuffyy · August 23

Turtle_Bot wrote: »

Wuuffyy wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

Faltasë wrote: »

Congrats, y'all got your Sorc nerfs. Hope ur happy

They’re so minor lol I would barely call them a nerf but besides that these forums are never happy.

25% off CoE

2,000 “mag recov” (+off resource) to 1,500 “mag recov” (+off resource)

From 5 Wretched Vitalities in a single passive to ~4 Wretched Vitalities in singular passive.

WOW! What a nerf!!

Oh, and they all still proc off Core Combat too I believe

Well, I did try to put forward actual fixes for CoE, but the people voted and all we got instead was generic blanket nerfs that will do nothing to address the problem builds and only force more sorcs into those same builds since other builds got hit harder. 🙃

But that doesn't matter I guess, Sorc got "nerfed" and that's all the people care about.

Yeah, the problem is- like you said… this doesn’t solve the issue of max mag builds which are going to be even more plentiful and stay just as problematic.

LoganSpencer1 · August 23

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

SerafinaWaterstar · August 23

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Disagree & I have been paying attention but am not one of the raid zerglings, just one trying to fight them.

LoganSpencer1 · August 23

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Disagree & I have been paying attention but am not one of the raid zerglings, just one trying to fight them.

and youre a solo player who doesnt have to try and fight the giant discord call zergs of people doing this. we dont share the same experience.

Oblivion_Protocol · August 23

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Bro, if you think that Negate is the problem with zergs and organized ball groups, you’re clinically delusional. Negate is still the best way of stopping those groups. Sorc has some problems, but no one is going to agree with you when you say Negate is one of them.

Luneca · August 24

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Bro, if you think that Negate is the problem with zergs and organized ball groups, you’re clinically delusional. Negate is still the best way of stopping those groups. Sorc has some problems, but no one is going to agree with you when you say Negate is one of them.

There's no getting through to someone that honestly thinks the amount of shielding being stacked on the game by groups is fair and balanced and then says anyone that disagrees doesn't know the game. He wants it gone because people coordinate negate to get rid of his ball group. You know -- exactly what the logic is for why so many crutches groups have haven't been addressed yet.

Just check it out @LoganSpencer1 other two threads:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/698454/so-uh-can-we-do-something-about-negate-please-lol

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/698492/game-mechanic-nerfs-need-to-be-for-everyone-not-a-penalty-for-group-size-and-skill

Negate actually needs to be MORE present in the game, even a siege should exist IMO. An oblivion damage siege that does HP% damage should also be present or something done to balance HP stacking. <-- two things most ball groups would never ever want to see.

And no, I'm not saying that because I just fire siege.

SerafinaWaterstar · August 24

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Disagree & I have been paying attention but am not one of the raid zerglings, just one trying to fight them.

and youre a solo player who doesnt have to try and fight the giant discord call zergs of people doing this. we dont share the same experience.

Sometimes solo, sometimes in a group. Sometimes actively fighting ball groups, sometimes just chilling on a wall hitting them with siege.

But I know that Negate is one of the few useful skills for disrupting ball groups. If anything, I’d make it stronger & affect stam too.

katanagirl1 · August 24

Now that we have subclassing, anyone can use negate. They don’t have to be a pure class sorc. Ball groups are feeling it more now I guess but let’s be honest. If sorcs were so powerful, why don’t you see a ball group of sorcs? Why are they always DKs and WW with a bunch of healers? The stacked shields and heals make them impervious to multiple lancer fire and other siege, not to mention player skills. There has to be something to counter them. PvP should be a rock, paper, scissors sort of scenario.

Daoin · August 24

please stop confusing the devs thinking we all love pvp atlease we need more seperation from pve rather than trying to adjust roles so they fit in both places, i read someones post earlier more or less saying the same thing. banish pvpers to hades, maybe make sets suable for pvp only that are actually good instead of fiddling with all pvers charaters every other week ? i am not griping i just cope with changes but why would i want to be good in pvp and pve too i have no enemies in eso theres nobody like in other games faction locked...its silly light vs dark good vs evil ? none of it

Daoin · August 24

lets face it not even casual guilds go cyro weekly for a little fun anymore, well none that i know of

XVestigeXx · August 24

Daoin wrote: »

please stop confusing the devs thinking we all love pvp atlease we need more seperation from pve rather than trying to adjust roles so they fit in both places, i read someones post earlier more or less saying the same thing. banish pvpers to hades, maybe make sets suable for pvp only that are actually good instead of fiddling with all pvers charaters every other week ? i am not griping i just cope with changes but why would i want to be good in pvp and pve too i have no enemies in eso theres nobody like in other games faction locked...its silly light vs dark good vs evil ? none of it

Why do PvEers complain on every possible PvP thread about literally any change PvPers want to see in PvP? Its like yes, nobody wants PvE to be effected by the changes we are talking about. Everyone wants pvp and pve to be separate sandboxes. But even then, unless you literally put asterisks up after every sentence of every PvP thread some PvEer will come and make it about them. Honestly just strikes me as narcissistic.

Daoin · August 24

XVestigeXx wrote: »

Daoin wrote: »

please stop confusing the devs thinking we all love pvp atlease we need more seperation from pve rather than trying to adjust roles so they fit in both places, i read someones post earlier more or less saying the same thing. banish pvpers to hades, maybe make sets suable for pvp only that are actually good instead of fiddling with all pvers charaters every other week ? i am not griping i just cope with changes but why would i want to be good in pvp and pve too i have no enemies in eso theres nobody like in other games faction locked...its silly light vs dark good vs evil ? none of it

Why do PvEers complain on every possible PvP thread about literally any change PvPers want to see in PvP? Its like yes, nobody wants PvE to be effected by the changes we are talking about. Everyone wants pvp and pve to be separate sandboxes. But even then, unless you literally put asterisks up after every sentence of every PvP thread some PvEer will come and make it about them. Honestly just strikes me as narcissistic.

becasue the changes you want for bth pvp and pvp effect everyoone and as an ididual i am tired of the never ending chages

XVestigeXx · August 24

Daoin wrote: »

XVestigeXx wrote: »

Daoin wrote: »

please stop confusing the devs thinking we all love pvp atlease we need more seperation from pve rather than trying to adjust roles so they fit in both places, i read someones post earlier more or less saying the same thing. banish pvpers to hades, maybe make sets suable for pvp only that are actually good instead of fiddling with all pvers charaters every other week ? i am not griping i just cope with changes but why would i want to be good in pvp and pve too i have no enemies in eso theres nobody like in other games faction locked...its silly light vs dark good vs evil ? none of it

Why do PvEers complain on every possible PvP thread about literally any change PvPers want to see in PvP? Its like yes, nobody wants PvE to be effected by the changes we are talking about. Everyone wants pvp and pve to be separate sandboxes. But even then, unless you literally put asterisks up after every sentence of every PvP thread some PvEer will come and make it about them. Honestly just strikes me as narcissistic.

becasue the changes you want for bth pvp and pvp effect everyoone and as an ididual i am tired of the never ending chages

I would be perfectly happy if all these changes were pvp only and they left everything the same in PvE

Daoin · August 24

sorry was eating an apple while typing

Four_Fingers · August 24

Nerf apples!

XVestigeXx · 1:01AM

@hoangdz If you think sorc shouldn't be nerfed then hop on a a nb, a Arc, , a warden, or a plar and duel some good sorcs then. I think you probably 1vx Pveers during mym with these takes and examples. So much copium

You'd probably show up with a plar tank lol

hoangdz · 2:07AM

XVestigeXx wrote: »

@hoangdz If you think sorc shouldn't be nerfed then hop on a a nb, a Arc, , a warden, or a plar and duel some good sorcs then. I think you probably 1vx Pveers during mym with these takes and examples. So much copium

You'd probably show up with a plar tank lol

I have dueled some of the best players of each class before subclassing, DK rework, and the recent class mastery introduction. Bar Necro and Arc because they were genuinely mediocre, NB, Warden, DK, and Templar, were all better at dueling than stamsorc. In fact, I was the ONLY stamsorc dueling in Stormhaven on PC NA around that time because this class was simply worse than the aforementioned 4 classes. PC EU was not any different either. Magsorc faired better because of Hardened Ward buff, so I do agree that magsorc was pretty busted before the nerf in U46, which I actively advocated for on the forums.

Fast forward to U50, the class masteries elevated Sorc to 2nd place just behind DK. So, logically, why would you nerf Sorc entirely when the main culprit is the masteries? Why paint all of Sorc's toolkit as something imbalanced when the class was barely used in duels before subclassing?

We could either buff the classes whose class masteries were not properly designed, or at the very most, adjust Sorc's mastery passives. Like, if NB kept its 25% crit damage/healing and 2500 spell damage values in PvP, then it would instantly be one of the strongest pure specs in the game. Same with Templar and Warden, etc.

Major_Mangle · 5:51AM

Luneca wrote: »

Oblivion_Protocol wrote: »

LoganSpencer1 wrote: »

negate needs a rework and if you think otherwise you havent been paying attention or are part of one these 40 man discord raid zergling negate spammers

Bro, if you think that Negate is the problem with zergs and organized ball groups, you’re clinically delusional. Negate is still the best way of stopping those groups. Sorc has some problems, but no one is going to agree with you when you say Negate is one of them.

There's no getting through to someone that honestly thinks the amount of shielding being stacked on the game by groups is fair and balanced and then says anyone that disagrees doesn't know the game. He wants it gone because people coordinate negate to get rid of his ball group. You know -- exactly what the logic is for why so many crutches groups have haven't been addressed yet.

Just check it out @LoganSpencer1 other two threads:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/698454/so-uh-can-we-do-something-about-negate-please-lol

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/698492/game-mechanic-nerfs-need-to-be-for-everyone-not-a-penalty-for-group-size-and-skill

Negate actually needs to be MORE present in the game, even a siege should exist IMO. An oblivion damage siege that does HP% damage should also be present or something done to balance HP stacking. <-- two things most ball groups would never ever want to see.

And no, I'm not saying that because I just fire siege.

Give back old azureblight while we're at it so we can go back to the last time we had adequate counterplay to ballgroups and large stacked zeros.