Ability to report players for spying and held accountable for treason

LadyGP · August 16

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

What if I told you there are discords where each zone chat is posted by a bot. There are even unlisted youtube streams of just zone chat for each faction.

Again this is mentioned. Can someone show me some proof please?

Because I cannot get my head around the concept of bothering to do this so you can ‘win’ the campaign. It is mindbogglingly pathetic, in my opinion.

(Though I have to admit I’d like to read other alliance chat to see if certain players annoy them as much as they do me.)

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These discords/streams are easy to find you just have to ask the key players for each faction.

SeaGtGruff · 12:18AM

sshogrin wrote: »

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

Okay, I'll bite.

If you worry about "spying" in Cyrodiil you are prioritizing the wrong problem. The general movements of the zerg are often ridiculously easy to predict to anyone who's been playing for a while and is capable of basic pattern recognition.

There is also no way for you to know if someone is "spying," so I don't know how you see this play out in practice. The last thing we need in Cyrodiil is creating a(nother) reason for players to get suspended for no real reason.

Also think about it, how many people do you think there are who willingly spend money on a second account, and stand in Cyrodiil all evening reading zone chat to help their alliance instead of, you know, actually playing with their alliance. It would be far more effective to simply port between keeps on your own faction to scout and call out attacks early, which is actually something that happens constantly since there is a good chunk of dead time in Cyrodiil where no big fights are happening.

Comparing a video game to real warfare is downright laughable. If you extrapolate that logic, everyone who enters Cyrodiil should observe permadeath rules until one faction remains standing.

I was actually more making a comment about the spying in IC if you paid attention to the original post.
How do I know they're spying? It's very simple, when a character doesn't leave the ladder room in a base, but the same player or two go to the same districts immediately when you go up a certain district ladder, it doesn't take someone smart or with have intelligence to figure out what's going on.
Other people that defend spying are the ones comparing it to real warfare, so using their logic to defend spying and saying that people that spy shouldn't be banned, I'm only giving the real life consequences of what happens to a spy, they are terminated from the game of life, meaning no more playing.
How people can't understand that is beyond me, but this is what it is, people will defend spying when in fact it's an exploit of the game.

I don't know that anyone in this thread has been "defending" spying, but the problem that I personally have with your proposal is that you're making assumptions about other players. Anyone can accuse anyone else of anything, but that doesn't make it true. And I think the burden of proof should be on the accuser, not on the accused. Insisting that someone who's going to be AFK for a bit needs to post "AFK" in zone chat to avoid being reported for some imagined "spying" is outrageous-- and it could easily be used by an actual spy to try to avoid suspicion, which makes it an utterly useless suggestion in my opinion.

Aislinna · 12:35AM

While I'm sure spying does occur, the burden of PROOF is on the accuser and they'd be hard pressed to obtain proof that is acceptable for banning someone.

I'm guessing the accuser knows that the suspected "spy" is just standing around in the ladder room because the accuser is also standing around in the ladder room watching/recording the suspected "spy". So now, from my view, the accuser and the suspected "spy" are both exhibiting the same behaviour; do we ban them both? And if the accuser isn't standing around watching, then how do they know the suspected "spy" didn't leave the room? No matter how many times somebody says they "know" something, it doesn't make it a true fact without PROOF.

efster · 2:43AM

Step 1. See SPAI.
Step 2. Make friends with spai while pretending you don't know they're a spai.
Step 3. The spai is now your best friend and you convince them to spai for your alliance instead.
Step 4. ???
Step 5. Profit!

Frayton · 6:48AM

sshogrin wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I often get up and go AFK just after queuing into IC from Cyrodiil, to go grab a coffee, attend to a cat, take a bio break, etc. If I was running around in the sewers and got killed, releasing will plop me down in the area by the banker and ladders, and I may need to go AFK while standing there. If I'm going to have to start worrying about being falsely reported as a spy because of a few overly-suspicious players in my own alliance, then that's just stupid and insane. And I gotta tell you, as a "true blue" PvPer who hates red and yellow with a passion (in PvP), there is no bleeping way I would ever feed information to those sides. They go out of their way to home in on me and kill me every chance they get, even if there are dozens of other blues around. If you think I'm ever going to do anything to help their sides, you're out of your freaking mind.

so if you go AFK, don't stand by the ladders.
Put "AFK" in zone chat so people know you're AFK.

Seems pretty simple solution to me.
I've seen people standing around in the ladders for over a half hour not moving at all. I go up a certain ladder, then here comes some other faction within a minute. I go up a different ladder, here comes the same exact players within a minute, etc. If you want to tell me that the person standing by the ladders isn't spying, then I don't know what to tell you. There's no way the same player(s) can know what district someone is going to like that. There's no way you can convince me otherwise.

If I say AFK when I AFK how do I know you're not a spy reporting my AFK to the other sides? I'm AD, so I think the best solution for team yellow would be to shout, "For the Queen!" and then do the secret AD faction not-a-spai dance /dancealtmer to prove we're not a spies.

thorwyn · 8:12AM

so if you go AFK, don't stand by the ladders.
Put "AFK" in zone chat so people know you're AFK.

I don't think people need to announce what they are doing IRL to you or anyone. And I don't think people need to go to designated areas when they want to go afk.
Who do you think you are?

LadyGP · 1:00PM

thorwyn wrote: »

so if you go AFK, don't stand by the ladders.
Put "AFK" in zone chat so people know you're AFK.

I don't think people need to announce what they are doing IRL to you or anyone. And I don't think people need to go to designated areas when they want to go afk.
Who do you think you are?

This isn't an airport we don't need to announce arrivals and departures.

To be honest this whole thread is silly.

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