becasue i think its prob another test or now a perm addition

Mistake,. See the other thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/697534/proc-sets-are-active-in-vengeance-again-after-todays-maintenance#latest

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Thanks, Maitsukas! We can confirm this was not intended and we will be turning them off later today. (Hotfix messaging to come.)

No turn them off. People that like set procs already have 4 campaigns in IC and Cyro

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Eldovar wrote: »

No turn them off. People that like set procs already have 4 campaigns in IC and Cyro

The lack of sets isn't a "feature" of Vengeance. The goal is to test to see what is the cause of lag so that Gray Host can be properly fixed. So, Gray Host won't be replaced by Vengeance, and I doubt Vengeance will stay without Item Sets for long.

Vengeance been around about 18 months now.

Please list what improvements have been made to GH as a result of this "testing" with vengeance.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Eldovar wrote: »

No turn them off. People that like set procs already have 4 campaigns in IC and Cyro

The lack of sets isn't a "feature" of Vengeance. The goal is to test to see what is the cause of lag so that Gray Host can be properly fixed. So, Gray Host won't be replaced by Vengeance, and I doubt Vengeance will stay without Item Sets for long.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Vengeance began as a test to see whether Gray Host could be made performant by determining what, if anything, could be done to fix it. I say that because months ago ZOS announced they had come to the conclusion that it “will not be possible” for them to make Gray Host performant while letting us keep our current character builds.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685603/community-update-vengeance-testing-cyrodiil/p1

“We recognize that some of our players would prefer there be no changes to their characters, effectively how they are in the Gray Host Cyrodiil campaign, while enjoying the higher population and reduced latency/game performance issues of the Vengeance campaign. This is not something that will be possible. Based on what we have learned from the tests so far, we can offer one or the other, not both, and we want to be transparent about that.”

I’m not wading into the weeds over the value of their “not possible” — they aren’t made of money to throw at the issue for better hardware investments or more devs and dev time. Even ten months ago their bottom line was that this wasn’t something they could actually accomplish given the practical realities of their situation. I cannot imagine a performant GH somehow became a possibility after the major losses they’ve endured since.

So now Vengeance is the one option (changed characters for increased population and performance), while Gray Host remains the other (characters kept as is but with lower population and performance). They said that doesn’t mean GH won’t get the benefit of some of the testing they’re doing, but a “proper fix” (current characters with desirable performance) was explicitly ruled out as an achievable solution.

Because like everything when it comes to PvP the (someone) break it, let bugs slip in, forget to remove stuff, and it's a constant dumpster fire.

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virtus753 wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Eldovar wrote: »

No turn them off. People that like set procs already have 4 campaigns in IC and Cyro

The lack of sets isn't a "feature" of Vengeance. The goal is to test to see what is the cause of lag so that Gray Host can be properly fixed. So, Gray Host won't be replaced by Vengeance, and I doubt Vengeance will stay without Item Sets for long.

I think it would be more accurate to say that Vengeance began as a test to see whether Gray Host could be made performant by determining what, if anything, could be done to fix it. I say that because months ago ZOS announced they had come to the conclusion that it “will not be possible” for them to make Gray Host performant while letting us keep our current character builds.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685603/community-update-vengeance-testing-cyrodiil/p1

“We recognize that some of our players would prefer there be no changes to their characters, effectively how they are in the Gray Host Cyrodiil campaign, while enjoying the higher population and reduced latency/game performance issues of the Vengeance campaign. This is not something that will be possible. Based on what we have learned from the tests so far, we can offer one or the other, not both, and we want to be transparent about that.”

I’m not wading into the weeds over the value of their “not possible” — they aren’t made of money to throw at the issue for better hardware investments or more devs and dev time. Even ten months ago their bottom line was that this wasn’t something they could actually accomplish given the practical realities of their situation. I cannot imagine a performant GH somehow became a possibility after the major losses they’ve endured since.

So now Vengeance is the one option (changed characters for increased population and performance), while Gray Host remains the other (characters kept as is but with lower population and performance). They said that doesn’t mean GH won’t get the benefit of some of the testing they’re doing, but a “proper fix” (current characters with desirable performance) was explicitly ruled out as an achievable solution.

Thanks for linking this. I’ve known this but forgot from where. But it seems like majority of the forum posters who keep asking for GH to get fixed and this and that about GH that they don’t know that ZoS already confirmed it is not possible to fix it, ever and that they have moved on from there to vengeance. Of course, GH is staying, in whatever state it is.