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DK Nerfs will get their own Patch Notes right?
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »NovelliESO wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »
Oh I will, I could not care less what others here take seriously or not, this is an echochamber where people come to complain. Its not reflective of the actual player base.BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »It’s only a real issue now cause the refresh delay. Nerfing DK will throw us back into the subclass meta which was way worse tbh. I’m tired of the DK meta, don’t get me wrong, but I’d rather live in this than the mutt meta we endured for a solid year.
Here’s a thought! Adjust some of the other class masteries like NB/Temp/Necro/Arc (NOW). That’s what they originally said they’d do, adjust them… it’s obvious which classes are suffering.
NB rework should be pushed up as well since it really is the class that has a problem in PvE, a class thatBardokRedSnow wrote: »As for this being 8 months ago, their message, I dont see why that even matters, subclass builds in the hands of top players still outperform pureclass dk and werewolf, and is still an issue for balance to the game. That the initiative was 8 months ago is pretty irrelevant. Nerfing pureclass dk and ww to a state that cant compete with subclassing at all is not just counterintuitive to zos' goal but its also likely to one shot the game's lifespan considering thats what nearly happened BEFORE the existing layoffs.
You think you're mad now lol if we return to subclass builds being the norm of what you see itll be far worse than the meta is now. Adapt, its really not hard to now especially.
Don't know what universe you are in, but on PC NA nearly all of the "top" players are playing DKBardokRedSnow wrote: »Thats also why zos insists on buffing the other classes by using the class masteries mostly compared to just buffing their individual skills independent of it, so that subclassing doesnt inadvertently grow stronger. Pure class isnt meta right now, its still subclassing. Complaining about pure class dk compared to other pure classes is besides the point. You nerf dk down to pre refresh levels yall will be just complaining about the subclassed builds next that totally replaces them
Forest for the trees.
If nerfing 2 skills nerfs DK back down to subclass levels it literally proves those two skills were OP.
Then why don’t you play one and stop sieging on the walls, it might give you some new perspective
Having fought top players I know that’s not true, they’re subclassed builds which yea includes a line of dk half the time but not all the time. Plenty of them are just sorcs, no dk line at all
You can fire siege off the wall, you know. It's wild you insult me when we're on the same faction and I protect KC and Farra all the time by firing siege. Just ask AD, they love me. Lots. Though they still haven't found the siege shield button.
Also what you said does not refute anything. Again, it's more proof those two skills are out of line if every DK, even subclassed ones, take the skill line which contains both of them. If I am taking them on my subclassed "DoT" NB, it's a wrap.
Thanks for proving the point. Also you're wrong about something: pure class DK is the most powerful if you use a recursive build that wasn't nerfed on the PTS using Wildfire. I know because I'm cheesing archive with it, and it also is a problem in PvP with 0 counter and it kills people in 2-3 seconds.
Its not an insult, it is something you state time and time again. Stating that for the record here before mods claim I am harassing or something, you yourself say all you do is siege. I think thats important in a discussion for class changes.
And I dont need to refute anyone here, you wouldn't know what I am talking about because we do not fight the same fights or the same people.
Pure class dk is just the most common build you see and encounter, that doesn't mean its actually the top performing build. And its not, IA is not the same as pvp at all, not by a long shot. Even bringing up that in a pvp discussion proves the point better than anything I could say.
Now you keep posting your opinions, and feel free!
I come here to counter all the people complaining about the next newest thing to upset them because unfortunately zos sees these forums and thinks its actually representative of reality and only now is starting to understand thats not the case.
I think many here realize that too and is why they react so harshly to a differing opinion. You say top duelers are pure classed, in my experience the only duelers I struggle with are subclassed. Pure class dk is not a problem compared to those, bgs cyrodiil or otherwise.
Funny you say that, because live data is more telling than anything.
At least 80% of the population on Xbox NA are playing either Dragonknight or Werewolf in Cyrodiil, Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.
Werewolf is becoming a lot less accessible through its excessive nerfs. There will be even more Dragonknights next update.
They’re also the newest reworked classes for one and for two I doubt their metrics account for subclassed dk
What do you gain for Subclassing DK?
Storm calling, which has three damage passives, streak and hurricane. Most subclassed builds have it. Its nasty even now, especially for the dot builds running it with thrive in chaos. DK using that have way more damage than pure class dk, and if they're pure classed its usually because of a group setup and someone else is subclassed.
The solo sweats tho almost all have stormcalling.
Give me your best argument on why you would give up a DK line for storm calling, what DK line you'd give up for it? The only scenario you do this for is streak to run away, otherwise DK as a pure class is objectively better, the passives are worse than just getting class mastery and the skills you give up are not worth it, again, unless you just want to run away, and I would be happy to prove that. I'd even steelman it for you and still shoot it down.
Wings are a league ahead of Streak now
So much cap I could blot out the sun with this statement
Wings do 5 things.
Streak does 3.
AoE Stun? Streak and Wings
Creates Distance? Streak & Wings
Does Damage? Streak
Ranged Mitigation? Wings
Snare Removal? Wings
Major Expedition? Wings
It’s simple math, @BardokRedSnow
the mitigation for streak is the distance it creates upon activation, not everything is as simple as how it looks on paper. Three streak clicks youre out of range of most players. You also dont need expedition with streak.
You create distance with Wings knocking everyone back, but you also don’t need Expedition from Hurricane when using Wings and you also don’t need Forward Momentum or Race Against Time for Snare Removal. See how that works?
Lol no because that knockback effect has a cooldown and immovable pots are a thing
The only thing limiting your ability to run circles around Zergs is your own sustain with streak. Dk wings alone is not carrying anyone’s build. Same can’t be said for streak
Of all the things stated today, calling dk wings as it is a better streak is the craziestZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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Luneca✭✭✭✭✭NovelliESO wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »
Oh I will, I could not care less what others here take seriously or not, this is an echochamber where people come to complain. Its not reflective of the actual player base.BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »It’s only a real issue now cause the refresh delay. Nerfing DK will throw us back into the subclass meta which was way worse tbh. I’m tired of the DK meta, don’t get me wrong, but I’d rather live in this than the mutt meta we endured for a solid year.
Here’s a thought! Adjust some of the other class masteries like NB/Temp/Necro/Arc (NOW). That’s what they originally said they’d do, adjust them… it’s obvious which classes are suffering.
NB rework should be pushed up as well since it really is the class that has a problem in PvE, a class thatBardokRedSnow wrote: »As for this being 8 months ago, their message, I dont see why that even matters, subclass builds in the hands of top players still outperform pureclass dk and werewolf, and is still an issue for balance to the game. That the initiative was 8 months ago is pretty irrelevant. Nerfing pureclass dk and ww to a state that cant compete with subclassing at all is not just counterintuitive to zos' goal but its also likely to one shot the game's lifespan considering thats what nearly happened BEFORE the existing layoffs.
You think you're mad now lol if we return to subclass builds being the norm of what you see itll be far worse than the meta is now. Adapt, its really not hard to now especially.
Don't know what universe you are in, but on PC NA nearly all of the "top" players are playing DKBardokRedSnow wrote: »Thats also why zos insists on buffing the other classes by using the class masteries mostly compared to just buffing their individual skills independent of it, so that subclassing doesnt inadvertently grow stronger. Pure class isnt meta right now, its still subclassing. Complaining about pure class dk compared to other pure classes is besides the point. You nerf dk down to pre refresh levels yall will be just complaining about the subclassed builds next that totally replaces them
Forest for the trees.
If nerfing 2 skills nerfs DK back down to subclass levels it literally proves those two skills were OP.
Then why don’t you play one and stop sieging on the walls, it might give you some new perspective
Having fought top players I know that’s not true, they’re subclassed builds which yea includes a line of dk half the time but not all the time. Plenty of them are just sorcs, no dk line at all
You can fire siege off the wall, you know. It's wild you insult me when we're on the same faction and I protect KC and Farra all the time by firing siege. Just ask AD, they love me. Lots. Though they still haven't found the siege shield button.
Also what you said does not refute anything. Again, it's more proof those two skills are out of line if every DK, even subclassed ones, take the skill line which contains both of them. If I am taking them on my subclassed "DoT" NB, it's a wrap.
Thanks for proving the point. Also you're wrong about something: pure class DK is the most powerful if you use a recursive build that wasn't nerfed on the PTS using Wildfire. I know because I'm cheesing archive with it, and it also is a problem in PvP with 0 counter and it kills people in 2-3 seconds.
Its not an insult, it is something you state time and time again. Stating that for the record here before mods claim I am harassing or something, you yourself say all you do is siege. I think thats important in a discussion for class changes.
And I dont need to refute anyone here, you wouldn't know what I am talking about because we do not fight the same fights or the same people.
Pure class dk is just the most common build you see and encounter, that doesn't mean its actually the top performing build. And its not, IA is not the same as pvp at all, not by a long shot. Even bringing up that in a pvp discussion proves the point better than anything I could say.
Now you keep posting your opinions, and feel free!
I come here to counter all the people complaining about the next newest thing to upset them because unfortunately zos sees these forums and thinks its actually representative of reality and only now is starting to understand thats not the case.
I think many here realize that too and is why they react so harshly to a differing opinion. You say top duelers are pure classed, in my experience the only duelers I struggle with are subclassed. Pure class dk is not a problem compared to those, bgs cyrodiil or otherwise.
Funny you say that, because live data is more telling than anything.
At least 80% of the population on Xbox NA are playing either Dragonknight or Werewolf in Cyrodiil, Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.
Werewolf is becoming a lot less accessible through its excessive nerfs. There will be even more Dragonknights next update.
They’re also the newest reworked classes for one and for two I doubt their metrics account for subclassed dk
What do you gain for Subclassing DK?
Storm calling, which has three damage passives, streak and hurricane. Most subclassed builds have it. Its nasty even now, especially for the dot builds running it with thrive in chaos. DK using that have way more damage than pure class dk, and if they're pure classed its usually because of a group setup and someone else is subclassed.
The solo sweats tho almost all have stormcalling.
Give me your best argument on why you would give up a DK line for storm calling, what DK line you'd give up for it? The only scenario you do this for is streak to run away, otherwise DK as a pure class is objectively better, the passives are worse than just getting class mastery and the skills you give up are not worth it, again, unless you just want to run away, and I would be happy to prove that. I'd even steelman it for you and still shoot it down.
Wings are a league ahead of Streak now, so that wouldn’t even make sense of an argument.
They provide Snare Removal, Major Expedition, 50% Ranged Mitigation, and Knockback AND* Stun everyone chasing you in an AOE.
Not only creating distance better, but giving you the tools to maintain that distance.
What most don't get is that Wings can be used offensively. Not all DKs sit and hold block all day.
For me, I use a build with decent speed and I can use Wings to knock someone back and due to the ability to cancel and the dealy on the skill, it's always perfectly timed with burst by the time I sprint and close the distance -- which isn't much.
Most DKs are not using it in an offensive manner like that, but that's simply because they either don't know any better or lack the skill to do so.
If you do use Wings offensively, it has way better value than Streak when it comes to offense and defense. To get the same defensive value, you'd need to use the other morph of Streak -- and in doing so, you actually lose the offense part. Streak has a graphic and delay that makes it predictable, and because of movement, cannot be cancelled like a Wings cast.
The CC pot argument doesn't fan out in reality as well because Wings can be used on-demand without any cost increase. I can literally hold block and spam it until your CC pot is over. And if you try to run, I have expedition and I also have a skill that gap closes / pulls you toward me. But if I am using Wings CC, I am not running the pull. I want to be pulled towards you.
We're talking about a CC, damage reduction, speed buff, and immunity to snares all in one skill -- and it can be spammed as much as you like as long as you can sustain it. Oh and a passive gives 10% WD and health recovery. And it also has a knock back with a delay that makes it difficult to break free from / bugs out. What's there to discuss about whether or not it's balanced in the current PvP system?
Look at the other knockbacks -- they knock you further back or are dodgeable. Is that the case for Wings? We all know the answer around here.
You can't make the argument that it poses no threat to ranged builds, because it effectively nullifies half of their damage and a lot more things are considered "projectiles" than people realize. This actually puts it into the territory of not just Streak, but also Ball of Lightning.
I've said it before on these forums that the skill didn't need any buffing when its old form had 50% projectile reduction and a little fireball. That wasn't a statement made because I was "salty" about DK, it was a statement made AFTER I actually tried the skill and used it offensively.
And what a shocker, when I used it, I saw that many situations can occur where there are 0 methods to counter besides you having ESP and using a CC pot. But even then it didn't matter because the skill is not an ult, it's a spammable one that gives you enough defensive power comparable to an ult or certainly a 5 piece set with zero drawback that can be spammed.
And to drive the point home, right now, how is EP doing on PC NA? Enjoying being destroyed by DC? There's a DK in that DC group spamming Wings CC. Enjoying it? That's me
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.Edited by BardokRedSnow on 8 August 2026 21:37Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
argumentum ad nauseam doesn't make you correct. More effects doesn't mean the skill is more effective. Until wings boosts me forward in the direction I am looking also, this isnt even an argument. In fact yall can have the -50 damage range reduction, and the expedition, I'd take being propelled forward over those any day lol.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
argumentum ad nauseam doesn't make you correct. More effects doesn't mean the skill is more effective. Until wings boosts me forward in the direction I am looking also, this isnt even an argument. In fact yall can have the -50 damage range reduction, and the expedition, I'd take being propelled forward over those any day lol.
They don’t need to push you forward when it propels everyone away from you.Dragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
argumentum ad nauseam doesn't make you correct. More effects doesn't mean the skill is more effective. Until wings boosts me forward in the direction I am looking also, this isnt even an argument. In fact yall can have the -50 damage range reduction, and the expedition, I'd take being propelled forward over those any day lol.
They don’t need to push you forward when it propels everyone away from you.
lmao ok unless you repeatedly pushing the zerg away from you across a room... this is by far the biggest bad faith argument in this whole thread, not even worth discussing further if people gonna really pretend dk wings outclasses streak
laughable
they get knocked down a small, very small distance, then have cc immunity. Streak, the immunity doesnt matter. Stop it dude.Edited by BardokRedSnow on 9 August 2026 02:15Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭Reading this thread it's almost like some twilight zone moment where I'm back in 2014. Some people just can't handle dk being back. Lets nerf dk so that when warden is refreshed they can be the new one true pvp meta and everyone only plays wardens, and werewolves!1 -
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✭Reading this thread it's almost like some twilight zone moment where I'm back in 2014. Some people just can't handle dk being back. Lets nerf dk so that when warden is refreshed they can be the new one true pvp meta and everyone only plays wardens, and werewolves!
Then DK can be adjusted. How hard is it to change some variables in the code? This is MSFT we're talking about, I think they can do itXbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast2 -
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✭But really, that sort of comment, you expect us to believe you play PvP?Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast1 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭Reading this thread it's almost like some twilight zone moment where I'm back in 2014. Some people just can't handle dk being back. Lets nerf dk so that when warden is refreshed they can be the new one true pvp meta and everyone only plays wardens, and werewolves!
Nice way to engage with absolutely nothing commented here. Do you want to explain how it is just "back" and not extremely over tuned? I am waiting to hear your extremely insightful knowledge!2 -
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
argumentum ad nauseam doesn't make you correct. More effects doesn't mean the skill is more effective. Until wings boosts me forward in the direction I am looking also, this isnt even an argument. In fact yall can have the -50 damage range reduction, and the expedition, I'd take being propelled forward over those any day lol.
They don’t need to push you forward when it propels everyone away from you.
lmao ok unless you repeatedly pushing the zerg away from you across a room... this is by far the biggest bad faith argument in this whole thread, not even worth discussing further if people gonna really pretend dk wings outclasses streak
laughable
they get knocked down a small, very small distance, then have cc immunity. Streak, the immunity doesnt matter. Stop it dude.
You’re saying Streak is better because you can spam it to escape a large group, I’m saying you can with the same efficiency using Wings.
People do it every day.
Except while you’re getting away with Wings you’re reducing all incoming damage to 50% as you’re out of melee range (just like Streak) after the knockback AND stun and running with Snare & Root immunity mixed with Major Expedition unlike Streak.
Wings not only give you 5 things instead of 3, as mentioned they can also be used as an offense tool, you can ledge people for instant kills, and push the delayed stun for a free Molten Whip.
When I said that Wings are night and day better than Streak I meant a flame to an atomic bomb. Wings obliterate any movement skill in the game by a landslide, see what I did there?Dragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
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AdonisJorge✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »accuses others of holding block all day when previously they stated they primarily kill with siege.
I assure you, most dk use wings offensively in fights as well as defensively. Its not a secret. You're not building around dk wings though for your build, whereas people do build around streak for 1vX.
Wings is a useful and fun skill. Streak, all of those things and more.
I could see if you were talkin about when wings reflected damage lol then you'd have something to complain about.
Bardok I know you can figure out that 5 is greater than 3. Wings do too much bro, just accept it.
Night and day better than Streak.
argumentum ad nauseam doesn't make you correct. More effects doesn't mean the skill is more effective. Until wings boosts me forward in the direction I am looking also, this isnt even an argument. In fact yall can have the -50 damage range reduction, and the expedition, I'd take being propelled forward over those any day lol.
They don’t need to push you forward when it propels everyone away from you.
lmao ok unless you repeatedly pushing the zerg away from you across a room... this is by far the biggest bad faith argument in this whole thread, not even worth discussing further if people gonna really pretend dk wings outclasses streak
laughable
they get knocked down a small, very small distance, then have cc immunity. Streak, the immunity doesnt matter. Stop it dude.
You’re saying Streak is better because you can spam it to escape a large group, I’m saying you can with the same efficiency using Wings.
People do it every day.
Except while you’re getting away with Wings you’re reducing all incoming damage to 50% as you’re out of melee range (just like Streak) after the knockback AND stun and running with Snare & Root immunity mixed with Major Expedition unlike Streak.
Wings not only give you 5 things instead of 3, as mentioned they can also be used as an offense tool, you can ledge people for instant kills, and push the delayed stun for a free Molten Whip.
When I said that Wings are night and day better than Streak I meant a flame to an atomic bomb. Wings obliterate any movement skill in the game by a landslide, see what I did there?
and wings do not have ramping cost, anyway, buff DK even more, they need to be 100% population of the game0 -
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✭✭some of yall are playing an entirely different game and i think its old school writing based rp rather than reality in the game, no one serious thinks streak is inferior to dk wingsZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »some of yall are playing an entirely different game and i think its old school writing based rp rather than reality in the game, no one serious thinks streak is inferior to dk wings
Sure are!
In your version of ESO a skill that provides 3 things is better than one providing 5.Edited by Radiate77 on 9 August 2026 17:51Dragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
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✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »some of yall are playing an entirely different game and i think its old school writing based rp rather than reality in the game, no one serious thinks streak is inferior to dk wings
Based on the context, environment, and user- they both are capable of very vile things both offensively and defensively.
The uniqueness in utility of streak aside, wings is absolutely and objectively an ‘over-loaded skill’.
Whether that’s fine or not is neither here nor there for me but to say wings is in no way comparable to streak or that rather, somehow neither serve a similar purpose (get people the hekk away from me) in some capacity is disingenuous as well.
With that in mind, wings is providing astounding value never the less.Wuuffyy,
'end-game' PvE and PvP player
ESO player since 2014 (Xbox and PC for PTS)
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NovelliESO✭✭✭Keep in mind, the idea of subclassing out of pure DK was proven to be bad and there was zero substantive response to what I said.
DK is stronger as a pure class than if you sub class to any other class for PvP, that's just how absurd it is right now.
If you are another class you are sacrificing not being a DK, which is just better.
If you are another class and you don't sub class into DK, you are far behind.
If you are a DK and you choose to not be a pure DK because you want other class skills, you are weaker than pure DK.
DK is just better in every single conceivable way.
Wings, Core of flame, and Whip are the 3 strongest PvP skills in the game right now, and they are all tied to the same class.Edited by NovelliESO on 9 August 2026 19:292 -
ceruulean✭✭✭✭✭DK class masteries:
- permablock for 1 minute and gain more healing and damage.
- When I press an ult, I get Major Berserk and do +10% more damage at the most important burst moment and so does my entire team! We get Major Protection on frontbar so we're less likely to die to enemy counter ult!
DK skills:
- When I press 1 skill, I get AoE javelin, snare removal, 30% extra speed. The 2nd best spec, ranged sorcs, just tickle me now. Nightblades are irrelevant.
- When I press my burst heal, me and my entire team gets 215 more damage. Thanks Minor Courage!
- When I use my delayed CC I can force a roll dodge and break permablockers.
When I'm low on health and need to bait someone, I can press Corrosive!
I can use 2 delayed burst unblockable AoEs and dragon leap!
If I'm bored of dragon leap, I can use DW ult and keep my opponents guessing what my build is!Edited by ceruulean on 9 August 2026 20:292 -
NovelliESO✭✭✭DK class masteries:
- permablock for 1 minute and gain more healing and damage.
- When I press an ult, I get Major Berserk and do +10% more damage at the most important burst moment and so does my entire team!
DK skills:
- When I press 1 skill, I get AoE javelin, snare removal, 30% extra speed. The 2nd best spec, ranged sorcs, just tickle me now. Nightblades are irrelevant.
- When I press my burst heal, me and my entire team gets 215 more damage. Thanks Minor Courage!
- When I use my delayed CC I can force a roll dodge and break permablockers.
When I'm low on health and need to bait someone, I can press Corrosive!
I can use 2 delayed burst unblockable AoEs and dragon leap!
If I'm bored of dragon leap, I can use DW ult and keep my opponents guessing what my build is!
Don't forget being able to 1 shot with the strongest hitting single target ability in the game, or go the other morph and all of a sudden it's the strongest AoE spammable in the game.1