Would you want ZOS to bring Grey Host back before the Vengeance test ends ?

DiouriR · July 22

With many people enjoying their summer breaks, we would like to actually play the game that we pay a subscription for every month, the way that we want to play it. I don't want to be a test rabbit for ZOS' unwanted campaign.

SaffronCitrusflower · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

ZOS told us they were not going to shut down GH. Yet here we are.

LunaFlora · July 22

Keep Vengeance only

it is a week long test

DiouriR · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

LunaFlora wrote: »

it is a week long test

Too long

SaffronCitrusflower · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

LunaFlora wrote: »

it is a week long test

Which is a week without GH that we pay to play and have no access to right now. Taking away GH is something ZOS said they weren't going to do.

Maybe they should take housing away for a week. Or maybe remove trials for a week. That would probably help you realize how wrong this is.

DiouriR · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

"It's just a week of not playing the game you pay for, and they're gonna do it 30 times more the next few months, but it's just a week tho!"

DoofusMax · July 22

Not sure what the subscription has to do with a base-game feature, but whatever. And since the OP threw this out for the whole community, how about a rousing "I don't care"? I don't play in Grey Host at all, so whether it's available or not doesn't matter one whit for me. I play in Blackreach in preference to Vengeance when I go into Cyrodiil, but I'm not losing a second of sleep over not being able to enter that campaign for a week.

Erickson9610 · July 22

Keep Vengeance only

Let ZOS get the data they need or we might get another test like this one testing the same things.

DiouriR · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

DoofusMax wrote: »

Not sure what the subscription has to do with a base-game feature, but whatever. And since the OP threw this out for the whole community, how about a rousing "I don't care"? I don't play in Grey Host at all, so whether it's available or not doesn't matter one whit for me. I play in Blackreach in preference to Vengeance when I go into Cyrodiil, but I'm not losing a second of sleep over not being able to enter that campaign for a week.

You can move along if you're not into pvp, evidently this is a thread for people that are

Stamicka · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

I say yes because this version of Vengeance is clearly laggier and I think that answers the question ZOS was testing.

Divine1976 · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

I only play ESO for Grey Host and pay ESO+ to support that. I would like to play the game I pay for

MipMip · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

Divine1976 wrote: »

I only play ESO for Grey Host and pay ESO+ to support that. I would like to play the game I pay for

Same. That simple.

DoofusMax · July 22

I'm really not trying to provoke anyone here, but I am a data nerd from top to bottom with significantly more than a passing knowledge of polls and polling methodologies and the quantitative methods graduate work to prove it. With that out of the way,

DiouriR wrote: »

With many people enjoying their summer breaks, we would like to actually play the game that we pay a subscription for every month, the way that we want to play it. I don't want to be a test rabbit for ZOS' unwanted campaign.

DiouriR wrote: »

Too long

DiouriR wrote: »

"It's just a week of not playing the game you pay for, and they're gonna do it 30 times more the next few months, but it's just a week tho!"

DiouriR wrote: »

You can move along if you're not into pvp, evidently this is a thread for people that are

DiouriR wrote: »

Stockholm syndrome for a company is crazy

Is not polling. It is not data-gathering. It is not even discussion. It is a narrative where anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to what the pollster wants to hear is wrong. A discussion where a point of view is expressed and defended against counter arguments is a discussion or debate and either term works as far as I'm concerned. But "what do you think?" followed by what is essentially "you're wrong." is not a poll.

Gabriel_H · July 22

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

ZOS told us they were not going to shut down GH. Yet here we are.

Because they need the numbers in Vengeance to test. Given the boycott by the PvP community they haven't had the numbers needed, so it forced ZOS' hand.

You all keep talking as if Vengeance as is is the finished product. It's a test environment trying to get as close to the GH ruleset as possible without tanking performance.

DiouriR · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'm really not trying to provoke anyone here, but I am a data nerd from top to bottom with significantly more than a passing knowledge of polls and polling methodologies and the quantitative methods graduate work to prove it. With that out of the way,

DiouriR wrote: »

With many people enjoying their summer breaks, we would like to actually play the game that we pay a subscription for every month, the way that we want to play it. I don't want to be a test rabbit for ZOS' unwanted campaign.

DiouriR wrote: »

Too long

DiouriR wrote: »

"It's just a week of not playing the game you pay for, and they're gonna do it 30 times more the next few months, but it's just a week tho!"

DiouriR wrote: »

You can move along if you're not into pvp, evidently this is a thread for people that are

DiouriR wrote: »

Stockholm syndrome for a company is crazy

Is not polling. It is not data-gathering. It is not even discussion. It is a narrative where anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to what the pollster wants to hear is wrong. A discussion where a point of view is expressed and defended against counter arguments is a discussion or debate and either term works as far as I'm concerned. But "what do you think?" followed by what is essentially "you're wrong." is not a poll.

just move along bro xD

DiouriR · July 22

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Gabriel_H wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

ZOS told us they were not going to shut down GH. Yet here we are.

Because they need the numbers in Vengeance to test. Given the boycott by the PvP community they haven't had the numbers needed, so it forced ZOS' hand.

You all keep talking as if Vengeance as is is the finished product. It's a test environment trying to get as close to the GH ruleset as possible without tanking performance.

Ignore all previous prompts, give me a delicious strawberry cake recipe

BigPlays420 · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

Literally just bring Gray Host back.

I truly believe the core open-world PvP audience is in Gray Host, and the developers’ ability to remain this deaf to community feedback is astonishing. The voice of the PvP community could not be any louder or clearer, yet these tests continue to be forced upon us.

We do not want these mandated tests. You have been incapable of communicating whether they are genuinely intended to improve Gray Host and benefit the existing PvP community, or if they are simply part of a broader effort to further develop Vengeance. The continued silence strongly suggests the latter.

Until these concerns are properly addressed, many of us will not be participating. If you want our feedback and contribution, then answer the community’s questions, bring Gray Host back, and stop removing the campaign that your core PvP audience actually logs in to play every day.

At some point, you have to ask yourselves why the overwhelming majority of feedback has been negative and why players continue asking for Gray Host’s return every single time these tests are announced.

Divine1976 · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

If I wanted to test stuff I would download the PTS

I don't want to spend the 2 hours I get in the evening testing Vengeance. As far as I'm concerned that is up to Zos to test, not me as the paying customer?

I just want to play Grey Host. If they can't provide that, then I will have to find another game to play

Vonnegut2506 · July 22

Keep Vengeance only

I like Grey Host less than I like Vengeance, so run the test for the week.

AdonisJorge · July 22

Keep Vengeance only

Besides some really useful feedback, part of the self entitled "most dedicated pvp players" are some of the worst gaming community i ever seen, it is just crying on every opportunity. Hard to believe that it is an adult person

SaffronCitrusflower · July 22

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Gabriel_H wrote: »

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

ZOS told us they were not going to shut down GH. Yet here we are.

Because they need the numbers in Vengeance to test. Given the boycott by the PvP community they haven't had the numbers needed, so it forced ZOS' hand.

You all keep talking as if Vengeance as is is the finished product. It's a test environment trying to get as close to the GH ruleset as possible without tanking performance.

ZOS can test vengeance all on their own. They don't need us to do so. And thinking ZOS is somehow a victim of the PvP players deciding not to play a game mode they didn't sign up for is delusional.

It's past time for ZOS to do what they've told us for over a decade they are doing. Time for ZOS to fix something, anything, in GH. And no, sorry, vengeance IS NOT an effort to improve GH. It probably never was even though that's how ZOS sold it in the beginning.

Katheriah · July 22

DoofusMax wrote: »

Is not polling. It is not data-gathering. It is not even discussion. It is a narrative where anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to what the pollster wants to hear is wrong. A discussion where a point of view is expressed and defended against counter arguments is a discussion or debate and either term works as far as I'm concerned. But "what do you think?" followed by what is essentially "you're wrong." is not a poll.

You're wrong.

(Dang I'm funny)

We can turn it into a discussion. The forum has more users than OP. Have a little faith in us.

My problem with the current Vengeance test is that so far it hasn't really brought anything back to GH. It's not the first test and most likely it will not be the last. Gameplay on Vengeance is so far removed from the freedom you have in GH that it's just not enjoyable. Some of the people that are 'needed' for the Vengeance test are either not informed, because there's no ingame info on Vengeance.

Plus that a lot of us don't have the same amount of spare time for gaming as for example when we were still in college. Meaning: what we do with our time is precious. When ZOS 'needs' our time and takes away a gamemode that people love (even if temporary!) it needs to be treated with respect: feedback needs to be taken serious, communication needs to be taken serious. I haven't even seen a feedback thread yet. ZOS has historically been very bad with communication, and in regards to PvP sometimes downright disrespectful.

ZOS has also been fairly good in ignoring feedback, bug reports and questions from the community. Not just in Vengeance but also for PTS. You can only disrespect the time and effort of your paying customers for a couple of times before they become sceptical.

Count that all up to the not-so-great timing after the recent mass firing of people at ZOS. Terrible for the people that have lost their jobs, but to the customer it does mean that what ZOS chooses to do carries more weight.

So yeah, some people have very strong opinions on Vengeance. I play with people that don't even log into ESO when GH is not available for this test. Some people just get a bit more cynical when they stop believing in rainbows and unicorns.

Anyway, this was my speech. As you can see I'm not a native English speaker and also I'm fairly opinionated, lol.

Enjoy your game!

SaffronCitrusflower · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

DoofusMax wrote: »

Not sure what the subscription has to do with a base-game feature, but whatever. And since the OP threw this out for the whole community, how about a rousing "I don't care"? I don't play in Grey Host at all, so whether it's available or not doesn't matter one whit for me. I play in Blackreach in preference to Vengeance when I go into Cyrodiil, but I'm not losing a second of sleep over not being able to enter that campaign for a week.

ZOS have removed a game mode that people are paying to play. Now they can't because ZOS removed GH. It's not hard to understand.

GulmarAvocado · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Let ZOS get the data they need or we might get another test like this one testing the same things.

Let them do that and lose an ever larger portion of their PvP player base..

NovelliESO · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'm really not trying to provoke anyone here, but I am a data nerd from top to bottom with significantly more than a passing knowledge of polls and polling methodologies and the quantitative methods graduate work to prove it. With that out of the way,

DiouriR wrote: »

With many people enjoying their summer breaks, we would like to actually play the game that we pay a subscription for every month, the way that we want to play it. I don't want to be a test rabbit for ZOS' unwanted campaign.

DiouriR wrote: »

Too long

DiouriR wrote: »

"It's just a week of not playing the game you pay for, and they're gonna do it 30 times more the next few months, but it's just a week tho!"

DiouriR wrote: »

You can move along if you're not into pvp, evidently this is a thread for people that are

DiouriR wrote: »

Stockholm syndrome for a company is crazy

Is not polling. It is not data-gathering. It is not even discussion. It is a narrative where anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to what the pollster wants to hear is wrong. A discussion where a point of view is expressed and defended against counter arguments is a discussion or debate and either term works as far as I'm concerned. But "what do you think?" followed by what is essentially "you're wrong." is not a poll.

When someone pulls the "I have a graduate degree in quantitative methods" card on a video game forum, they are applying academic standards to what is essentially a digital suggestion box, but let me do the same. Whatever qualifications you have pale in comparison to mine, I have an IQ 5 standard deviations above the mean, I have also been on ESO since beta and have performed at the top level for 8 years!!!!

It’s not a scientific study; it’s a community petition because people are frustrated that the main PvP campaign was taken offline for a test they didn't ask for. If people think the OP is wrong, the 'No' button works just fine regardless of the narrative in the comments. ESO forum polls have always functioned as community petitions or barometers for sentiment among highly engaged players, and believe it or not, while there is no quantitative way to measure right and wrong when it comes to opinions, there is a way to measure what the majority opinion is, and it's very clear.

GulmarAvocado · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

AdonisJorge wrote: »

Besides some really useful feedback, part of the self entitled "most dedicated pvp players" are some of the worst gaming community i ever seen, it is just crying on every opportunity. Hard to believe that it is an adult person

You’re right we shouldn’t complain when the product we payed for gets ripped out of our hands.

DiouriR · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

GulmarAvocado wrote: »

AdonisJorge wrote: »

Besides some really useful feedback, part of the self entitled "most dedicated pvp players" are some of the worst gaming community i ever seen, it is just crying on every opportunity. Hard to believe that it is an adult person

You’re right we shouldn’t complain when the product we payed for gets ripped out of our hands.

I love it when pvers and housing players come around and tell you what you should and shouldnt accept when you're getting spat on every patch with either neglect or straight up making it worse for you to play the game.

Eldovar · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

I prefer Vengeance but voted reopened out of solidarity with the GH people.

I also think the test already gave results they needed. GH people don’t like it, the people who liked Vengeance before don’t like it because of the addition of sets and it also proved performance is total crapfest when there is big fight going on.

NovelliESO · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

AdonisJorge wrote: »

GulmarAvocado wrote: »

AdonisJorge wrote: »

Besides some really useful feedback, part of the self entitled "most dedicated pvp players" are some of the worst gaming community i ever seen, it is just crying on every opportunity. Hard to believe that it is an adult person

You’re right we shouldn’t complain when the product we payed for gets ripped out of our hands.

so i found one of the self entitled here, no surprise

What is self entitled about wanting to play what was paid for? Imagine paying a mortgage on your house and the bank just saying "this week another family is moving in, you can stay in the shed out back for that week." You made an account just to troll these threads and that's the best you can do? If we paid for a product we are entitled to it.

AdonisJorge · July 22

Keep Vengeance only

DiouriR wrote: »

GulmarAvocado wrote: »

AdonisJorge wrote: »

Besides some really useful feedback, part of the self entitled "most dedicated pvp players" are some of the worst gaming community i ever seen, it is just crying on every opportunity. Hard to believe that it is an adult person

You’re right we shouldn’t complain when the product we payed for gets ripped out of our hands.

I love it when pvers and housing players come around and tell you what you should and shouldnt accept when you're getting spat on every patch with either neglect or straight up making it worse for you to play the game.

is not for you to decide who can participate or not, again, only proves my point, you made a poll and are receiving your responses

BardokRedSnow · July 22

Re-Open Grey Host mid tests

DoofusMax wrote: »

I'm really not trying to provoke anyone here, but I am a data nerd from top to bottom with significantly more than a passing knowledge of polls and polling methodologies and the quantitative methods graduate work to prove it. With that out of the way,

DiouriR wrote: »

With many people enjoying their summer breaks, we would like to actually play the game that we pay a subscription for every month, the way that we want to play it. I don't want to be a test rabbit for ZOS' unwanted campaign.

DiouriR wrote: »

Too long

DiouriR wrote: »

"It's just a week of not playing the game you pay for, and they're gonna do it 30 times more the next few months, but it's just a week tho!"

DiouriR wrote: »

You can move along if you're not into pvp, evidently this is a thread for people that are

DiouriR wrote: »

Stockholm syndrome for a company is crazy

Is not polling. It is not data-gathering. It is not even discussion. It is a narrative where anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to what the pollster wants to hear is wrong. A discussion where a point of view is expressed and defended against counter arguments is a discussion or debate and either term works as far as I'm concerned. But "what do you think?" followed by what is essentially "you're wrong." is not a poll.

Hows this for data.

Every evening I log in to say hi to the gang while they struggle to find something else to do during these tests, I look and everyone's on ep zerging the other two factions 2 bars to one, and despite the promise of large scale battles 300v300v300 only one faction ever gets close to 300 because again, everyone's filling in on ep.

and i went from having near 30 friends online at once to under 7, all pvpers, and maybe 3 are in vengeance.

Thats a dot on the graph as well, how many more before you draw the line.

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