Personally, for loot like this, I think that buying the lead should be the solution if one doesn't want to farm with that minuscule chance to drop. But in Infinite archive the leads you want never comes, and in Imperial city too.

They should fix that.

But like i said to each its own, I won't do that anymore in the current state. The solution for me was direct and simple.^^

For what anyway? There's no character sheet to make it visible to other players just to tell the story of this achievement. It's just personal satisfaction.^^

So yes but no. Dead content.

Emeratis wrote: »

Al_Ex_Andre wrote: »

Emeratis wrote: »

The lead is likely not broken. I've done hundreds of runs of the leads I need over the past few months with no luck, but lootlog shows them frequently dropping for other players in the runs (especially dungeon leads). At least LL helps confirm it's not broken but it is annoying and boring to run the same five dungeons almost a thousand times and still not have even the second copy of a lead....

yeah, but the chance is so slim then, then it could be considered broken, in a different meaning. But to each its own, I won't do this mess anymore.

The problem is we've had several threads about the abysmal droprate of leads and asking if it's bugged and zos has said "we will go check it" and come back shortly after saying it's working as intended. That is the problem, they do not currently see a problem with the current droprates in the system despite us as players trying to get them to see it is a problem, hence this thread and others.

We also know from the earlier threads if you come to them with the accusation it is bugged, they will check for bugs and if it is not they will say "there is no problem here." That is why lead discourse has changed to how it's disrespecting players time/effort, has no sense of reliable progression like every other system in game does, etc, because at the heart of it that is the problem with leads and the things we need them to address/fix. That is why I advise not continuing to spin our wheels talking about bugs and go straight to where the problem lies, because I think that's the only hope we have for seeing it change.

That's a good point.

Some people in the past (some, not even Devs) have taken "bug" etc. literally and it derails the conversation. Whereas in most cases like this, the customer is saying "This feels broken. This feels bad." When a design or UX feels bugged, it may as well be bugged, as far as the user is concerned. If the answer is only "it's working as intended", you'll lose those customers sooner or later. Though sure, whether their number is significant enough / whether they're important to retain is another question.

Most of us surely get this. But still, I support not getting lost in the semantics in favor of addressing the actual issues.

I'll be adding this to my OP.

One of, if not our biggest, gripes with leads are the ones from Treasure Maps. ZOS recently changed the maps to not only stack, but also to come a container containing a random map. This has caused this problem:

TTC Listing for Telvanni Treasure Maps in their entirety:


TTC Listing for Unopened Treasure Map:


That's a problem.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

I'll be adding this to my OP.

One of, if not our biggest, gripes with leads are the ones from Treasure Maps. ZOS recently changed the maps to not only stack, but also to come a container containing a random map. This has caused this problem:

TTC Listing for Telvanni Treasure Maps in their entirety:

TTC Listing for Unopened Treasure Map:

That's a problem.

It's even worse with Solstice Maps, of course. "Cheap" price is ~50k.

I fluffing called it, too:

https://moonpile.tumblr.com/post/806644089059688448/is-eso-update-49-addressing-treasure-map-issues

(Post from back when this change was announced. The player who asked was referencing the issues we're talking about in this thread and the others linked in the post, incl. the main one about maps specifically: "Removing Map Based Leads?")

“Is ESO update 49 addressing treasure map issues?”

A player asked me.
No. Not at all.

It might actually make the latest DLC maps worse because stacking maps will make hoarding them easier (waiting for rng-boost events), thereby increasing their absurd price.

Leads are so super frustrating, bc you are at the mercy of the rng, no matter what you do, you can't effect the outcome and I loathe gambling. Sure, its fine we need to farm the leads, but they shouldn't be our day job!

It is absolute grabage, to farm Galen dailies for weeks, getting hundreds of coffers and not a lead to the darn furniture that I need to do 3 HECKING TIMES to be able to buy it to my other houses. I regret sooo much buying 6 months eso+ (learned my lesson, not gonna happen again). there is no respect for our time. Did you know Galen has only 2 WB? Guess how many times I have been doing that unbelievebly annoying wood-dude boss?? I haven't done that zone quest yet and I never will, if I one day get those *sensured* leads I will never set my foot in there again. Can't stand that zone anymore. Is this the reasult they want?
What is even funnier /s, is to try to do the lava fields many times a day with different characters to get the coffers, when you have to wait for 10-20 minutes to get at least another player so you don't have to solo the hecking field. Sure I can do it, but it is not fun, it is tedious and takes forever. If I'm playing the game and thinking constantly: "god I hope this is over soon", the game has done something wrong, imo.

It just feels like bullying at this point and I know, I am stupid for being stubborn. Been trying it for so long, can't stop now. :P So what's the other point besides make us annoyed and frustrated. It can't be just artifically bloat the time ppl are playing, sure no? They wouldn't desrespect and use us like that, yeah?
if I have to farm one lead for weeks, 4-6h a day, it is not rewarding, not challenging, not OK, Zos. Not ok.