Can we do something about the "weak enemy" splinter drop? I only got one despite playing in groups every night.

Nice to see ZoS address the feedback!

I know a fair share of it has been negative from some parts of the playerbase, notably solo players that are hesitant to group, but NM has been a breath of fresh air for many of us!

Love the extra zone to group up with my social guild!
We used to group up to do WB zone clears, but with so many players those were getting killed far too quickly, to the point we had to implement a "One light attack" rule so everyone could get a share of the loot.

Love being able to pop up a "Night market group starting soon, come join!" In guild chat and seeing people flock to it.

Fix the quest sharing aspect of the game. Quests from the Plaza which were stated to be sharable, many are not if some unknown conditions are or are not met.

There should not be a barrier to quest sharing in a group designed zone.

+1 having to re-earn the keys after each completion has largely killed any desire for me to try the Trial again.

Fully admit I was wrong about how popular NM would be, which is good to see. Let's hope it can keep this energy for the next month or so eh.

And yeah, using group finder is definitely the way to go if you're pugging it. Just have a decent tank and most encounters are ok.

Some of the issues like getting credit for skirmishes and the RNG for fragments has been addressed a bit. Which is nice, kudos for the speed.

Keys are still the major pain point. Getting trial set rewards was also nice for calamitous. Make them rotate perhaps? Good chance to fill out stickerbook for trials that aren't as popular anymore. And agree that overland sets are just junk nowadays. Furnishings, furnishing plans, motifs, raw mats etc. are all much better. Golden box to me is actually good. Blue box is... usually garbage.

Some content has probably been nerfed a bit already, which I don't mind. The parch races having no more floor mounted walls to jump over and only crouch walls. The skittering skirmish not spamming so many adds. and some others.

Thank you for the night market! The presence of drop in, drop out pve group content is something I thoroughly enjoy in mmos, and while this isn't perfect it's a great addition to the repertoir of activities ESO offers. Gw2 has many excellent examples of this kind of content, and it makes the open world gameplay in that mmo so much better for it.

Please make the loot worthwhile, tho! As well as making all quests shareable and reducing the respawn rate of normal mobs.

I'm super excited to see you acknowledging feedback so the that the loud voices saying the "vocal minority" are the ones enjoying Night Market aren't yelling in a vacuum. I've been enjoying night market a lot, and everyone I've spoken to in my casual pve guild and endgame pve guild has felt similarly. I've been concerned you would move away form the difficulty or group requirements, so I'm very happy to see this as something you want to continue.

With regards to keys, it is a bit difficult. Could they be consumable? That way, I'd get rewards for helping my friends farm splinters, and killing ardents repeatedly. I could farm in advance and then run dungeons with multiple friends instead of need to redo my keys after. I understand one and done would make the zone very quiet later on!

Keys are an issue, sure, but making the dungeon keys a one time thing is a big no-no since once everyone has them it will become nearly impossible to pug a dungeon, there will be no incentive to repeat-play them.

Either introduce the dungeons INTO the trial and eliminate the dungeons entirely, OR keep the same system and make the keys last 24 - 48hours. This way there will always be some population around to play the dungeons.

OR, (and this is an outstandingly lazy to do things), make the keys permanent but add an achievement to the tune of "complete dungeon x number of times" with a reward(title? cosmetic?). The number being large enough to be a proper grind and to artificially force some of the population to redo it.

"We want Night Market to encourage grouping and reward players for those choices but there is something to be said about having some solo-oriented activities."

My sub renewal is currently in the off position. That something to be said should have already been stated already. Consumers are feeling slighted. The bad feelings have been festering long enough that they are making a path into the fora now.

Being an after thought is not promising. You encourage grouping and reward groupies for following your choices. The solo players will drift off to other titles by other production teams. You won't miss them because you don't listen to them. You will think the silence is conformation. (I am not a conformist and never will be.) Since you do not need the financial support of solo players, I tossed my budget at another game a couple days ago and am spending time elsewhere.

I cam play this game free when I feel like playing it. The groupies can pay for their new content themselves, while I play the content I paid for.

Hello there,
NM is an interesting experience. I don’t think it is my big cup of tea but so far I managed to grind it enough to my surprise… Personally, I expect that i’ll run out of incentives very soon as i’ve completed almost all that is of interest to me. Need to grind faction dailies and then could return to the world for daily chores… unless there will be some new interesting incentives added.

As for further improvements,

I wish the kill count of the daily quest was removed from the main screen. I’m playing on ps and I could not find a way to remove the pop ups from the middle of the dcreen. When killing those 75 enemies in a group, those multiple pop up messages cover pretty much all the screen for quite a while, can’s see through. Maybe a basic count on the right side quest menu would be enough?

Aaaanddd, maybe double columns could be removed from the unlockable rooms in the night den. Or at least some… that could improve the look by a lot.

Stoked its been recieved so well. I love that the post is not written in divisive us-and-them language. I'm having a great time with my guild doing Night Market, but I do get how it would feel to have a barrier if you just like to solo!

The communication made me feel happy about ESO. Keep up the good work. And keep those spell scrolls coming, btw. I want moar!!!

After spending a fair amount of time in the Night Market and now reaching 10,000 favour, I think I can finally give some fair feedback on the experience overall. I would consider my playstyle as an experienced ordinary player, willing to try something out and adapt.

For context:

* Completed all district daily quests and faction quests
* Completed all zone activities and mini-games
* Completed the trial once
* Completed the dungeon content
* Did not complete every smaller achievement or challenge achievement inside the dungeon/trial
* Reached 10,000 favour and have now mostly closed the book on the Night Market for the time being

My overall view is this:

The Night Market is probably some of the toughest “open world” style content ESO has ever produced for ordinary players. Not impossible, but genuinely demanding.

One thing that became obvious very quickly is that the danger is not just bosses. It’s the constant environmental pressure:

* endless trash enemies,
* aggro chains,
* roaming bosses,
* players dragging enemies into safe areas,
* and the simple fact you are almost never truly safe.

It actually reminded me more of Imperial City or Cyrodiil than traditional overland PvE.

One of the biggest lessons for me was that traditional “optimised” builds often failed operationally in this environment. High DPS and complex rotations are great until you are dead.

The zone heavily rewards:

* survivability,
* recovery,
* mobility,
* simplicity,
* sustain,
* and the ability to continue functioning under pressure.

For me, the answer became adaptation rather than chasing meta performance. That is not to say this is the only way, just what worked for me. I saw a wide variety of builds in the zone and in forums everyone had their style.

Taarente a 1 bar heavy attack oakensoul sorcerer dps evolved into a survival-focused heavy attack setup designed to endure long engagements and recover from chaos. This was the character most often completing any of the tasks. I would join any pug groups forming if they were doing quests or activities

Valinwe a Warden healer swapped between a tougher PvP-style healer setup in the districts and a more traditional dungeon healer role once inside structured content. That flexibility worked extremely well and honestly felt necessary for the content.

Praxedes an imperial dragonknight tank changed the most. My original dungeon/overland tank setups struggled because this zone applies relentless pressure and recovery matters enormously. Eventually I simplified the build heavily:

* core survival tools always available,
* taunt and breach always available,
* constant shielding/healing,
* attrition damage,
* emergency defensive ultimates.
* Stage 4 Vampirism.

Once that clicked, she became extremely effective. Not flashy, not a parse monster, but reliable. By the end she was joining groups, tanking bosses, roaming the districts, taunting horrors and generally taking revenge on the entire zone.

One thing the Night Market made very clear:
If the tank dies, everything destabilises very quickly.

That may sound obvious, but this zone exposed how important battlefield control and survivability really are compared to theoretical optimisation.

I also think some criticisms are fair:

* rewards often do not match the effort required,
* some mechanics/readability could be clearer,
* the constant trash pressure becomes exhausting over time,
* and the experience can become mentally draining rather than exciting after extended sessions.

I still think the biggest weakness is reward structure. If players are fighting enemies tougher than some veteran trial trash packs in an open-world environment, the rewards need to feel worthwhile and consistent.

That said, I do think the zone succeeds at something ESO rarely does:
It forces adaptation.

By the end, I stopped trying to overpower the Night Market and instead learned how to operate inside it. Once that clicked, the experience became much more enjoyable.

Reaching 10,000 favour genuinely felt like completing a campaign rather than simply finishing another event grind.

For now though, the district bosses can enjoy the peace and quiet. Praxedes has decided their punishment is complete.

I hope you find this useful feedback.

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Well, Night Market has officially launched, and we have been sharing in everyone’s trials, tribulations, delights, and despises over the past week or so. We felt it would be a good time to give a bit of an update to what we have seen feedback wise, share some of the results we have seen on server, and identify some key areas we will look to improve when Night Market returns.

Appreciate the feedback and insights!

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

There is also feedback regarding difficulty and balance. We knew that balance would be a key area for folks stepping in here. It was one of the aspects we wrestled with in development and testing. What we have seen is that players that come with a group or find one via group finder are generally having a much better time than those trying to go it alone. This is something we will dive into the data once Night Market is finished to see what, if any, adjustments we can (or should) make there. (For example, adding a pop-up to the districts zone-in similar to what we currently have for dungeons and trials that warns about the difficulty and suggests finding allies via the group finder.) We want Night Market to encourage grouping and reward players for those choices but there is something to be said about having some solo-oriented activities.

So I'm not hearing anything in here about varying group sizes. Is that something you guys are also evaluating?

It still sounds like you're assuming people either group up in a trial-sized group or lone-wolf the content. That's not how people play. So again, here's more questions, hopefully we can get an answer.

• Can the Night Market accommodate smaller group sizes?
• If I get separated from my group, how do I catch up?
• If the content needs a minimum player size, why not bake that into the system?

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

Rewards are another area we have seen lots of feedback. We understand that folks may not be keen on the rewards for some of the aspects of the Night Market (overland sets?) so we can take a hard look at that for the next iteration too.

When you say "take a hard look" - what does that mean exactly? Are you going to do surveys to find out what people actually like? I would think you'd at least ask us what we'd like to see in a more official format. Because frankly it seems like the teams don't know sometimes. Like how did the overland sets get allocated as rewards to begin with? Was it a placeholder, what's the intention there?

You guys do amazing work on some of these systems, but I think more consideration is needed for the long term health of said systems. Like when NM is permanent, why am I going to run it for years? Those kinds of questions are just as important as other design decisions, IMO.

I've had a lot of fun but am feeling the repetitiveness others mentioned. That's totally fine - if I go for 10K faction that's WAY more gameplay out of this than I get out of every other event that has released so far for me.

Maybe PVP ones get more from some people, but most of the events have been 1 and done quests of varying writing quality, or daily repeatables that felt more like chores than fun.

Outside the event itself, I will get extended joy out of my home and decorating it. I also have a new goal to get my gold to a good level for the vault which I can work on year-round. So thanks!

People have spoken about the keys already. but the main problem for me is the quests. They are way too difficult to find for how bad the rewards are. I like the idea of finding gear sets from older content, but overland gear isn't very useful.

If the quests continue to give bad rewards, they need to be easier to find. Maybe put all of them on the noticeboard at the start of the district, so people can grab them quickly (and make them sharable)
If the quests continue to be difficult to find, they need to give better rewards. Maybe they should drop gear from any trial, with a small chance at perfected gear