An additional feedback regarding rewards:
After completing the Skittering district skirmish one of the rewards was a Legendary Mother Sorrow bow. Just why??? Most people that would go to Night Market would decon it straight away (with a chance of getting some gold mats back). Even giving gold mats would be better than a gold overland piece of gear.

KalevaLaine wrote: »

So am I rigt that everyone ist choosing blue team because the mythic ist the best?

I choosed red cuz of my friends, and then they told there are 3 different mythics... So I can get the next one in another season. Cool.

I didn't read anything before, because I don't wanted to spoil mayself. But that's... Kind of a thing.

It's a monster set not a mythic. The consensus is that, yes, it's the least bad of the three, but it's also nothing meta that you'll really be missing out on. Yes you'll be able to get it next time, whenever that ends up being.

I think the team needs to accept that, over the years, ESO has cultivated a playerbase that is mostly solo-orientated. As such, new releases should probably keep this in mind. Most players are either going to wanr to be able to solo stuff, or clear it with other randoms in-zone.
There of course must always be a place for organized group enjoyers, but I do not think this is it. Not entirely, anyway.

So, my feedback as someone who's mainly here for questing and stories, and mainly as a TES lore fan, who doesn't care for grouping and PvP in ESO (so probably the most casual casual):

-THE CURATOR-

The first things I've encountered with the new content were actually bugs, which didn't leave a good impression. When I logged in, the starter quest was already available in the crown store, but some of the voice files for the Curator were missing for the German localization, both in the first dialogue, as well as in later dialogue. Also, the quest would not continue after the conversation; I had to abandon it and take it directly from the Curator a second time - then I could progress.

-THE PLAZA-

I've spent about 2 hours in the Night Market. Probably half of the time exploring the entrance plaza. Even if it's "recycled" assets, it's a nice location design with a lot of detail. It's a pity most npcs have no dialogue at all, but I already criticized that in Solstice.

From what I had read before, I was sure I'd join the Thousand Eyes. Actually none of the factions fully meet my taste, put the "gathering secrets" part sounded nice (while I'm not a fan of that vermin and "strength by masses" theme).

Now that I actually came across the dialogue, I honestly found it so off-putting I thought about joining a different faction instead. The watchling greeter talking about "a safe space for...", the next npc informing me they love the faction so much because they feel cherished and appreciated, and several npcs emphasizing how it's a friendly competition - it made me wonder if I've accidentally ended up in some hippie retreat? It didn't only feel very incongruent to the gritty visuals, it made me think more about kindergarden than adventure and danger, and this is not the atmosphere I personally seek for when playing a medieval fantasy game, most of all a TES game, which was always a dark and dangerous world.

I still decided to join the Eyes, by the way, just because they are clearly leading in on the score board. I thought in the end I'm going to play all factions once anyway, so I could as well choose the one that safely wins this time (also, I speculate many people want to try other factions, too, so the next time, another one might be clearly leading).

When it comes to voice acting, while the voice actors are doing a good job as usual, I'm not a fan of the instructions about pronounciation/delivery they seemed to have gotten. At least in German, it often sounds exaggerated/overpronounced and like from a children's show or so. Sadly, especially not a fan of the Maormer talking for the daedrat - it's so garish for my ears, I actually just fastly read those dialogues and click them away. Which is something I've never done before - normally I'm always listening to all dialogues at least during the first playthrough of story content. Not a fan of the Ruckus greeter either, who yells at me every time I walk by in the distance (on my way to those 3 faction quest npcs).

-THE COMBAT AREAS-

I actually like the design overall. As I said, I normally don't group at all - everything I do, I do solo (including dungeons), so this was how I approached the Night Market, too. Originally, I had planned to tag along with random people, basically like the Writhing Fortress last year (which I also enjoyed in design, except for the bugs) - but I adjusted my plans and spent that hour completely on my own. And surprisingly, I got along well, just by sneaking, running, using invisibility potions, etc. I basically played it like one of those sneaky stealth games, making my way from quest objective to quest objective, tactically, spontaneously searching for the best way to get from A to B. So far, I've completed 3 quests, and I'm sure I'll also get the other ones done tomorrow, when I have time to log in again.

The problem of course is that without many fights, I won't get currency or fragments, or relics for the house, etc. I hope it might work in the next few days, but the huge problem this evening simply was: There were no people! I have no clue why (I expected a participation similar to the Writhing Fortress), but there was no one! Well, I saw two people throughout the whole hour, who were standing around confusedly at two of those rooftop respawn points. There was no interaction. Chat was completely dead. I really don't know... I don't think I'll be able to do any boss fights like this, and even normal fights are tedious alone. I've also come across puzzles that seemed to need several people, which of course I couldn't do as well. And that's the whole problem: It's empty. On day one. And it's just not designed for that. It's sad, actually; it's a nicely designed location with different objectives, but it's dead.

When it comes to long-time motivation and replayability: For me as a story-focused person it's nothing I'd repeat too often. I care to complete all quests once, and then perhaps collect currency until I can unlock those extra rooms, but then, that's it. No story content = not interesting for me.

Oh, and those lore books are appreciated, of course. Especially in locations where they can actually be read in peace. Those that can't really be read because an enemy npc will attack you within seconds - that's not a pleasant experience. Same goes for those quest starter leaflets - there's no time to read them because of constant combat. Not a fan of that, personally.

But apart from this - I'm still curious and will continue exploring and completing quests tomorrow. My main criticism really is that almost no one is around, and it's clearly not designed for that low number of players.

If this event had been released as part of an "expansion", I don't think there would be many complaints at all. The issue is the new vision of releasing things piecemeal with very little content being added this year, and probably next year due to the class revamps, is setting them up for players to complain.

This is on par with Solstice "once in a lifetime" event failure

I can't even figure out how to continue anymore. I'm missing 1 sliver for each zone that only comes from coffers and the game is not giving me coffers when I complete the dailies. I've done 10 across the 3 zones.

lagrue wrote: »

I can't even figure out how to continue anymore. I'm missing 1 sliver for each zone that only comes from coffers and the game is not giving me coffers when I complete the dailies. I've done 10 across the 3 zones.

This is where I am stuck currently. Just grinding without progress because idk where the last fragment drops.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Skorro wrote: »

sorry if this was already answered, but once we get the necessary things to open the trial/dungeons, is it a permanent unlock on your account? Or would you have to go re-farm it Everytime you want to do the content?

You need to re-obtain the keys each time you complete the 4- and 12-player instances. The relics stay unlocked for good.

WHAT? Re-obtain the keys? Why? I haven't even figured out HOW to get the keys. Slivers, keys, fragments, relics. A FAQ would be nice.

And another "please don't spawn NPCs on top of Oddities" request. Roksa also walks right by an oddity, well within aggro range.

And I was in a 12 player group taking down the spider kith boss in the Skittering area. First, the two groups of NPCs there with the realm shapers kept respawning on is, and then Roksa walked into the area. We probably had 20 people there, and it took well over 10 minutes to take them all down. SO many deaths. At least two of the "Fix Everyone's Gear" repair kits were used during the fight.

Part of the problem is a lot of the people in the fights haven't faced Roksa in her dungeon, or realm shapers, or spider kith, and so don't know what needs to be interrupted or their other mechanics. I had to explain Roksa's dark orbs every time they spawned. Therefore, both the spiderkith and Roksa kept healing back up, because the people who did know the mechanics were constantly in ghost form after rezzing.

And WHY is ghost form so incredibly long? First few times I died I thought I'd DCed because I was a ghost for so long.

For me, this is worst designed content ever released to ESO.

I know ESO through and through but is all way too confusing for me.

It's group content that is way too hard for a normal trial or DLC dungeon group. I died more in an hour than in playing 3 years of ESO doing group finder DLC dungeons and trials daily.

So, we basically need a Cyrodill-style PvE zerg to make the content tolerable or enjoyable. No problem. But this is were the bad design comes in.

My night markets are are almost empty. If this is group content were people need to group organically like a conquering a keep in Cyrodil, you should funnel all players to the same instanced zones of the market so they can actually meet and group up and all start at the starting entrance door of every wing together and prepared.

So that didn't happen so I tried group finder and played with 5 groups but there it gets even more weirdly designed. I need to transfer to my groups instance, I get ported to the center and need to figure out where they are halfway in their boss fight. So I need to to run along through veteran mobs hoping I don't die only to be blocked by sand doors because I don't have an item. What item...no idea. Where to get the item...no idea. Someone in my group maybe has the item? So I run around and around and eventually can backtrack the path my group used to get there. I finally arrive at the boss I have never seen before and get one shotted randomly by one of the 5000 things flying around. Now I respawn at the wayshrine somewhere totally different and my hunt to my group can start again, this time with 3 other members that recently joined or died.

Then according to the menu there are boss keys and a trial I can do... but must have other keys for it to open or something. Where are those keys, how to get them, who knows. Are there groups in the finder that have those keys...who knows.

And then I saw randomly daily quests in between packs of mobs that I don't have time to read for, because otherwise I get oneshotted in the back one millisecond after pressing E.

It will be very curious to see how telemetry data is for this event and player retention because the groups I joined the mood was very sour with people constantly dropping out because they were tired of dying (what they said in group chat).

If this is the new experimental free content we can expect in the future...things are bleak.

If have no problem with the difficulty of the event. I can mitigate that. But the grouping design is totally not player friendly and this needed a lot more UI and tutorials as well because this is something completely new we have never seen and done before. We need more handholding or a tutorial easy district to learn how everything works.

This is 2026, not 1996. People are playing at all times of the day and night, in all time zones. Getting modern adults together on a regular bases, while it does happen, is difficult to repeat regularly. As counterintuitive as it seems, MMOs need to consider the solo player as its main audience, and group play as appendant or emergent game play for select content.

The smart thing for a Developer to do is incentivize group play; not punish solo play, or make an entire zone off limits for solo play for the majority-and no I don't want to hear about how super cool and elite badass you are. Thats not most of us.

This was not a well thought-out idea, just like Craglorn wasn't until they changed it.

Any AI engine will tell you that roughly 80% of modern players, play predominately solo for the reasons I mentioned above.

This wasn't it. It needs to be retuned

Hey. Big complaints on Xbox-NA server about dialogue not progressing. If picked up by the crown store, the quest is missing a dialog option to get to the "Go to the Night Market" prompt.

-BosstonKelly
Naughty Nirnroots

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

We'll take a look at the instancing numbers. It's also possible folks haven't made their way into the zone yet. We are keeping a close eye on population numbers overall and per server and will continue to do so.

Please adjust this. From what I can see, instance population limits are the biggest negative thus far. IMO they need to be at least 3-4 times larger if not more. I’ve zoned in multiple times today to reset my instance and only one had a reasonable number of players, yet that was just in only one of the 3 areas. Most of the time the instances I’ve been in the zone chat is nonexistent and only a handful of other players are around.

Thank you for the currency vault in the night den house!!

It's something I have specifically asked for over the years, using fable 3s as an example.

I absolutely love it, thanks ZoS!

My only gripe is it's a bit hard to see in and we can't go into it, but I assume there's a reason for the latter.