AI Written Posts

Lekjih · April 29

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

A fellow crocheter! I understand how you feel, AI has become increasingly troublesome in the crochet community. I take it you also do Amigurumi, since you mentioned soft sculpture?

Amigurumi, yarn under, have a youtube channel where I post vids of the finished beasties. I had to add progress pics because I got accused of AI. It didn't help, so now I just delete AI accusations, because I know it's not.

False positives like that are why I think it's unenforcable. Unless someone directly says "I asked AI and this is what it said", it is, as you say, just a witch hunt.

AlienatedGoat · April 29

Demonizing AI use isn't going to stop or even slow down its adoption. I suggest you take the approach of laissez faire and just let it go. You'll be a lot happier.

SilverBride · April 29

Why would they forbid players from using AI to post? It's not illegal.

BretonMage · April 29

I'm ok with non-native speakers using AI to help them construct sentences or communicate their meaning, but I would really prefer not to have players spread potentially dodgy or outdated information that AI scrapes from god-knows-where.

reazea · April 29

SilverBride wrote: »

Why would they forbid players from using AI to post? It's not illegal.

Since when is "I can and should do anything I want so long as it's not illegal" been an acceptable axiom?

FurryCandyHearts · April 29

The problem with ai is that it will flat out lie just to give an answer

reazea · April 29

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

The problem with ai is that it will flat out lie just to give an answer

....just like the programmers themselves.

This is what I think so many aren't realizing about AI. It will NEVER be smarter than the people writing the algorithm.

We're still in the "garbage in, garbage out" phase of AI.

heimdall14_9 · April 29

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

The problem with ai is that it will flat out lie just to give an answer

i dont know of it out right lying but i have seen it get twisted up and give out dated info or give something the wrong name but its never been an out right lie like players that type has done so it not AI its the player that should be looked at

amiiegee · April 29

Disallow AI written posts. There is google translate for these who´s languange skills are not great, aside of nobody expects perfect language in some niche game online forum.

Renato90085 · April 29

my native not english and use google translate to post,so i can't distinguish AI post ..

Ezhh · April 29

AI used to help people write their own thoughts in a clear and readable way = fine.
People feeding in a low quality prompt and then posting something that is not their own thoughts to try and generate discussion = usually makes me feel like I just wasted a few mins of my life and I'm not replying to it.

In other words: use it as a content refiner, not as a content creator.

frogthroat · April 29

Ezhh wrote: »

AI used to help people write their own thoughts in a clear and readable way = fine.
People feeding in a low quality prompt and then posting something that is not their own thoughts to try and generate discussion = usually makes me feel like I just wasted a few mins of my life and I'm not replying to it.

In other words: use it as a content refiner, not as a content creator.

This is pretty much my thoughts in a nutshell. Agree 100%.

SerafinaWaterstar · April 29

ADarklore wrote: »

Problem is, a lot of players using the forums aren't native English speakers, and use AI to help create a post in their non-native language.

There are translation tools that worked well before AI. Use one of them.

LunaFlora · April 29

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Problem is, a lot of players using the forums aren't native English speakers, and use AI to help create a post in their non-native language.

There are translation tools that worked well before AI. Use one of them.

it would be helpful if you also linked those translation tools that do not use artificial intelligence.

spartaxoxo · April 29

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Problem is, a lot of players using the forums aren't native English speakers, and use AI to help create a post in their non-native language.

There are translation tools that worked well before AI. Use one of them.

Google Translate is one of the most accessible and well known of those and it now uses their AI, Gemini to help it. Bing is the same. So which free widely known translation tool do you expect people to use? Do you expect a Microsoft owned company to ban the use of Microsoft's translator?

I don't think we can or even should expect people not to use the biggest translation tools for the public to help them post in a language that isn't their own.

BardokRedSnow · April 29

Unless they make a way to prove 100 percent that these posts are AI, and Zos decides they don't want these here for whatever reason, no restrictions should be implemented or enforced. I've seen too many times where people claim someone's using AI just simply off vibes or they don't like the person's opinion/argument. Its not hurting anything, you can simply choose not to engage with the post.

Syldras · April 29

LunaFlora wrote: »

it would be helpful if you also linked those translation tools that do not use artificial intelligence.

spartaxoxo · April 29

Syldras wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

it would be helpful if you also linked those translation tools that do not use artificial intelligence.

That's not a translation tool. It can give you a vocabulary word but it cannot tell you how to use it properly or interpret your entire sentence. Translation involves grammar too.

ETA
There's a reason that translation is one of the earliest things we did with internet tools. It takes years of study to be able to communicate effectively in a foreign language but the person who is using them may not have had that opportunity before a real need arises. In the past that's where friends, family, or hiring someone came in. And people still do that. But we also have freely available online tools to assist because that's not always available or even welcome.

SilverBride · April 29

reazea wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Why would they forbid players from using AI to post? It's not illegal.

Since when is "I can and should do anything I want so long as it's not illegal" been an acceptable axiom?

I never said anything like that. But the fact that some just don't like AI isn't a reason to get it banned from use on the forums. it's just another tool to help the poster clearly state their thoughts. We use other tools when posting, such as spell check, and no one has a problem with that.

I know a lot of people have a problem with AI in general, but that is not a reason to disallow it's use here.

Syldras · April 29

spartaxoxo wrote: »

That's not a translation tool. It can give you a vocabulary word but it cannot tell you how to use it properly or interpret your entire sentence. Translation involves grammar too.

It's a tool used for translation by many people around the world for about 180 years (until internet access became mainstream). Last time I looked into one it had a big grammar section at the back of the book (not sure if all editions; I've only used a Webster's a few times, more common in my country are the Oxford English Dictionary or the English dictionary by Langenscheidt, which all include grammar - the big books, at least, not the pocket dictionaries for travel).

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's a reason that translation is one of the earliest things we did with internet tools. It takes years of study to be able to communicate effectively in a foreign language but the person who is using them may not have had that opportunity before a real need arises.

And these people play ESO (which is rather text-heavy and only available in a few languages) and absolutely need to discuss the game in these forums?

spartaxoxo · April 29

Syldras wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

That's not a translation tool. It can give you a vocabulary word but it cannot tell you how to use it properly or interpret your entire sentence. Translation involves grammar too.

It's a tool used for translation by many people around the world for about 180 years (until internet access became mainstream). Last time I looked into one it had a big grammar section at the back of the book (not sure if all editions; I've only used a Webster's a few times, more common in my country are the Oxford English Dictionary or the English dictionary by Langenscheidt, which all include grammar - the big books, at least, not the pocket dictionaries for travel).

Glad that's not the case in your country but in mine you need a lot more than a dictionary. Dictionary will tell you the meaning of a word but actual translation requires more than just that. It's not a complete tool. And I know many people don't have access to such things because people have needed the help of translators because dictionaries were inadequate for their translations needs for much longer than the Internet existed.

And these people play ESO (which is rather text-heavy and only available in a few languages) and absolutely need to discuss the game in these forums?

Yes, they do. This game is voice acted in multiple languages.

LunaFlora · April 29

Syldras wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

That's not a translation tool. It can give you a vocabulary word but it cannot tell you how to use it properly or interpret your entire sentence. Translation involves grammar too.

It's a tool used for translation by many people around the world for about 180 years (until internet access became mainstream). Last time I looked into one it had a big grammar section at the back of the book (not sure if all editions; I've only used a Webster's a few times, more common in my country are the Oxford English Dictionary or the English dictionary by Langenscheidt, which all include grammar - the big books, at least, not the pocket dictionaries for travel).

spartaxoxo wrote: »

There's a reason that translation is one of the earliest things we did with internet tools. It takes years of study to be able to communicate effectively in a foreign language but the person who is using them may not have had that opportunity before a real need arises.

And these people play ESO (which is rather text-heavy and only available in a few languages) and absolutely need to discuss the game in these forums?

if they play the game in another language like Russian or Japanese they may not be fluent in English so if they want to post on these forums they need to translate.

Why use a dictionary if Google Translate translates your post into English within seconds?

frogthroat · April 29

All these electronic tools are too much. We should go back to good old days.

We get these forums as a magazine once a week. Then we can write our replies on vellum with a fountain pe--in cursive, mind you, seal it with wax and send it with a carrier pigeon to ZOS for the next week's ESO Forum Magazine.

Syldras · April 29

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Glad that's not the case in your country but in mine you need a lot more than a dictionary. Dictionary will tell you the meaning of a word but actual translation requires more than just that.

Webster's is an American dictionary and contains a grammar section. As far as I know, most dictionaries do. I even still have my mother's dictionaries drom the 1970's and 1980's (she grew up in a developing country in East Asia and learnt both English and French at school, and German later) and even those do, so I thought it was common.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

It's not a complete tool.

I said it was a/one tool used for translation that doesn't use AI (also, it was a joke). And that has certainly been true before the internet - looking up phrases you don't know when reading a book (or writing a letter) in a foreign language was one big aspect of the translation process. Also double-checking grammar in the grammar section of a dictionary if you were unsure. Same also happens in language lessons at school - students use dictionaries for translation tasks.

Syldras · April 29

LunaFlora wrote: »

Why use a dictionary if Google Translate translates your post into English within seconds?

They can, of course. I honestly don't understand why a little joke about a dictionary being a "translation tool that doesn't use AI" needs to be turned into a debate.

Destai · April 29

I can respect that some people need it. Language barriers, attentional disorders, whatever the hurdle is, if it helps them overcome - cool.

I rarely use it. I'm so active on these forums because I want to practice my communication. It's a skill that you can lose, especially in this era.

OutLaw_Nynx · April 29

Ban AI. If you can’t formulate an argument without AI, your opinion is automatically dismissed. I remember a member just rapid firing responses from ChatGPT a few months ago. It was ridiculous and their arguments made no sense either.

frogthroat · April 29

OutLaw_Nynx wrote: »

Ban AI. If you can’t formulate an argument without AI, your opinion is automatically dismissed. I remember a member just rapid firing responses from ChatGPT a few months ago. It was ridiculous and their arguments made no sense either.

If instead of your specific words, the text would say:
AI use in discussions should be restricted. If an individual is unable to formulate an argument independently, their position may reasonably be disregarded. I recall a member some months ago who repeatedly posted responses generated by ChatGPT in rapid succession; the result was unproductive, and the arguments themselves lacked coherence.
Would that be acceptable?

OutLaw_Nynx · April 29

Errr no lol

Paramedicus · April 29

This whole AI witch hunt is so hypocritical. Where was the creative community when assembly lines were being robotized? I don't remember graphic designers or writers protesting then. (Let’s be honest: who gives a duck about manual workers, amirite? They’re smelly and listen to funny music).

Please, spend your time better and go protest steam engines.