Just fight or die trying. Especially when people can join mid match. The penalty exists for a reason and you perfectly explained the reason. Either stick around for the whole match or don't que up at all. Also if you do have a problem with DK's then thats on you for not knowing how to counter them (stun+ranged). Also since DKs are legit just fire use fire resistance enchantments on jewelry and dont be a vampire.

DarkStrifeYT wrote: »

Just fight or die trying. Especially when people can join mid match. The penalty exists for a reason and you perfectly explained the reason. Either stick around for the whole match or don't que up at all. Also if you do have a problem with DK's then thats on you for not knowing how to counter them (stun+ranged). Also since DKs are legit just fire use fire resistance enchantments on jewelry and dont be a vampire.

I don't understand why, but it often happens that 3-4 Death Knights end up in the same team. And considering their whip spam and cross heal, the other team doesn't stand a chance. You can still play against 1-2 Death Knights in the opposing team. But 3v4 in battlegrounds is a problem. For example, in January I had only 4 battlegrounds in a whole month where my team was in the majority. In other months, about 80-85% of battlegrounds had my team in the minority. And every third battleground is 3v4. When I play as a pure Death Knight, it's even fun, but when I started playing as a necromancer, it became a big problem. It could, of course, be some technical issue with my account, because such 3v4 battlegrounds should be 50/50. I should probably contact technical support. Although I am for there being no such battlegrounds at all. (And it doesn't seem that way to me, and I have started keeping track of the number of 3v4 battlegrounds out of principle). Not to mention that sometimes players go AFK due to team imbalance. Perhaps it is worth playing 8v8 BG instead. At least there the difference in team strength isn't as harsh as it is in 7v8 BG.
Immediately got into BG 3v4 I went into BG, where someone had already left. And, naturally, there were 3 DKs on the opposing team.


I could take screenshots like this all day...

twisttop138 wrote: »

I get wanting competitive matches for sure. That sucks to get a 3v4. But why not just fight it out. Test you mettle. It's not like dying means anything in game.

Well, usually everyone tries (except for some players who, looking at the team composition, might even disconnect in a 4v4). But if there is no chance, many just stand AFK or leave. I understand these people. What’s the point if you just die in 2 seconds? And the other team can’t really play either. Right now, it’s very difficult to enjoy a 4v4 battleground.

10 matches in battle grounds today and 7 out the ten started with 3 in our team against 4 wtf zos

this is total garbage

and then in 5 of the matches no one else joined

im not doing battle grounds any more this is garbage

time to seriously start looking into what other games have a better pvp experience as pvp is my main thing

HarfnUA wrote: »

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And they call it PvP.

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

They either need to add a surrender vote or some type of come back mechanic to games where you are clearly outmatched.

Why would poeple want to spend 10 minutes in a game they know they are going to lose. I dont necessarily blame them for just leaving.

How can you balance anything in BG when a new level 10, without any items or skills, can end up fighting players with CP 2000+, fully geared and with all skills?
How can you balance things when PvE players go into BG just to level up Alliance War skills, and end up having to fight 100% PvP Players?
(Okay, they could go to Cyrodiil or other places to level those skills. But what if they don’t go anywhere else besides BG? How do you balance that?)
ZoS could allow PvE players to access them in PvE zones. But nah… that’s not fun. Fun is level 10 players vs CP 2000+ PvP players. Amazing!

mandricus wrote: »

SundarahFr3akinrican wrote: »

Why would poeple want to spend 10 minutes in a game they know they are going to lose. I dont necessarily blame them for just leaving.

What do you lose, exactly? In the end, worst case scenario, you end up gaining a little amount of XP and a little amount of AP. Nothing to lose, really. And it's certainly faster to go down and die and quickly end a one-sided Deathmatch (that usually ends in a couple of minutes) rather than going out and wait for the deserter penalty to cooldown. I'll never understand people who ragequit battleground: even if you lose the match you lose nothing, just gain something in the end either way. Quitting a battleground is one of the dumbest thing you can do. The only dumber option is camping on your spawn like a lot of Pvers do (which screams from miles away "I'm bad at PvP and don't know what I'm doing!!!!") Friendly advice to all people doing that, get in the fight and die quickly. You will be less noticed.

You get a gaming experience this is not fun. Either complain and hope for change or don't and move on.

Just make it so you can queue for non dk bg, so they that likes balanced pvp also can enjoy it if they dont plan on balance dk’s anytime soon.

DarkStrifeYT wrote: »

Just fight or die trying. Especially when people can join mid match. The penalty exists for a reason and you perfectly explained the reason. Either stick around for the whole match or don't que up at all. Also if you do have a problem with DK's then thats on you for not knowing how to counter them (stun+ranged). Also since DKs are legit just fire use fire resistance enchantments on jewelry and dont be a vampire.

Translation : If you want to do battlegrounds, be prepared to potentially be forced to be someone else's entertainment. Because, you know, you pay to play this game to have the chance to be forced against your will to repeatedly die with no reasonable recourse.

Yep, -much- better than 3 team.

Militan1404 wrote: »

HarfnUA wrote: »

Militan1404 wrote: »

Just make it so you can queue for non dk bg, so they that likes balanced pvp also can enjoy it if they dont plan on balance dk’s anytime soon.

The problem is not a single DK. A single DK is not that hard to kill. I even think that the metaclass build is stronger. The problem is when there are 3-4 DKs in one team. When 3-4 DKs focus you, survival is practically impossible even while holding a block. And there is constant cross-healing between the DKs.
It would be enough to distribute DKs evenly across teams. I think this will restore balance in BG 4v4.

Not agreeing at all, DK on its own its busted enough,more DKs just makes it worse. The things i could on my DK characters i could only dream on doing on my other characters and that would seem to stay that way even after class mastery comes out(never been much of a zorc guy) if their not taken care of.

I’m not arguing that DK is the strongest class right now. I just believe that the subclass build Warden+NB+Sorcerer is stronger. And I mean that having 2 DKs in one team and 2 DKs in another team is better than having 4 DKs in one team against a team without DKs.

mandricus wrote: »

What do you lose, exactly? In the end, worst case scenario, you end up gaining a little amount of XP and a little amount of AP. Nothing to lose, really. And it's certainly faster to go down and die and quickly end a one-sided Deathmatch (that usually ends in a couple of minutes) rather than going out and wait for the deserter penalty to cooldown. I'll never understand people who ragequit battleground: even if you lose the match you lose nothing, just gain something in the end either way. Quitting a battleground is one of the dumbest thing you can do. The only dumber option is camping on your spawn like a lot of Pvers do (which screams from miles away "I'm bad at PvP and don't know what I'm doing!!!!") Friendly advice to all people doing that, get in the fight and die quickly. You will be less noticed.

Just got into BG 8v8. The opposing team deliberately doesn't try to finish the match quickly, they just farm the poor guys who got unlucky with their team. Notice the time... 15 minutes standing under the balcony and killing at the respawn... Maybe we should have also tried to amuse the opposing team here?

twisttop138 wrote: »

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We need 3 team BGS back.

It can't be... they've added 3team match on the weekends.

Battlegrounds right now most players just leaves once they realize the other team is DKs, they just dont wont nothing to do with it, or both teams are DK. Its not even fun, pvp should be about testing skills between players, but add a DK to the mix and its all gone, its like brining a car to a bike race.

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

It has a lot more to do with everyone being way too overpowered than anything. And unbalanced. Its going to be this way every update with a character refresh now. For years. Don't complain Subclass advocates, you got what most of us didn't want. The smart ones quit the game over it.
Now it's our turn to get our characters back, they're being refreshed bc of this awful Subclass disaster that will never be balanced as long as it exists. Add a dps cap in both PvE and PvP. There are armor caps, crit caps, ect. If you're wearing 3k crit resistance, you should understand there is entirely too much damage.

There were stat caps, both hard and soft, in beta and at launch. People complained and we lost them . It would have been a much better way to address power creep all of these years...

Its never too late. Its already proven the fallout from this disaster has harmed the game and driven and continues to drive people away. Why continue to please the same people who brought this upon us in the first place by leaving unchecked power. Remove Subclass, establish a dps ceiling, blanace everything to the DK, then start making more Classes. They can be tweaked with the Class Mastery the same way and there will be no worry because there is a max dps threshold

Seems like the fix should be to add players two at a time. If seven people are in queue put three on each side and the 7th has to wait until an 8th shows up. If there isn't an 8th after a certain amount of time the fight starts three on three. The game shouldn't stick a player on one side without being able to stick one on the other.