Class Refresh Worry/Necromancer

Silvains_Demon · April 2

You may notice plenty of people are worried about the class refresh when it comes to the "Class Refresh" as class adjustments are pushed out for players to experience. While there have been many attempts at making it so the number of units on the instance are reduced as to keep the game stable (such as introducing a summons limit for each player between skills and gear sets), I think the devs should take into account why players choose Necromancer.

For reference, take a look at the image below:

SOURCE OF POWER

Masters of life and death,
Necromancers use
corpses as resources by
unearthing undead
minions and tethering
themselves to the
battlefield.

POWER FANTASY

Necromancers gain
power with each corpse
they command, use
enfeebling effects, and
control the undead to
do their bidding.

Look at the Bolded part above. This here has plenty of people a bit worried. While some may think of the Tethers, there are some thinking that this mechanic is potentially put in a way that limits the player to a stationary-based set-up by being stuck with the corpse mechanic as a main function (needed to even function), not as something that is an additive (effects an ability by increasing the damage, duration, or something else of an ability within range of activation).

Here is something from a different game ("Demon Souls Remake", area 4-2)
https://youtu.be/mSo7s2BOGcA?si=tzqWBt71yeGlG_Zl
If "tethering themselves to the battlefield" was kept more in line with using the dead of the battlefield (long dead/recently dead) in a way like this, I think it would be better (instead of "tethering", maybe using stationary ghosts of sorts... could be area-based roamers or something locked into an area but with range). The corpse mechanic is interesting, but is should be brought to be an additive, not a main mechanic. For instance, as a different example, "Diablo 4" will be coming out with a new class later this month called the "Warlock". It did show some similarity to what I put with my prior submission for the Necromancer some time ago https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/683786/necromancer-rework-idea-consumable-minions#latest and it currently seems to being well-received by players as a class that has many temp summons with a main perm summon (which would be a nice feature for a necromancer, especially with seeing rituals in some way).

My main point here is to not be a pain, but put forth that a good many people who enjoy the Necromancer just hope that this class refresh does a great job in giving the Necromancer a much-needed "revival". I hope everyone has a great day!!!

ItsNotLiving · April 2

I would exercise some patience and see what happens to Warden (who also has the skill lines separated into roles and a vague weird description) before taking this image as literal.

nightbringer1993 · April 2

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

LittlePinkDot · April 3

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Kilthor69 · April 4

Are there any metrics that would tell us the most played class to the least played class. Maybe Necro is least played thus last.

ZhuJiuyin · April 4

For PvE, the current bottom 10 class lines are (starting from the last one):
Dark Magic,
Shadow,
Living Death,
Animal Companions,
Curative Runeforms,
Storm Calling,
Winter's Embrace,
Draconic Power,
Restoring Light,
Bone Tyrant.

We can see that Warden, Sorc, and Necro have more than two class lines. So, yes, Warden, Sorc, and Necro should obviously be ranked higher in the refresh order. Based on the current situation, I believe the refresh order should be Warden → Sorc → Necro → Templar → Nightblade → Arcanist.
However, to prevent the most popular Nightblade and Arcanist lines, Herald of the Tome and Assassination, from becoming too powerful before the rework, they should be appropriately nerfed when Sorc is reworked at the end of this year. This could involve reducing or removing Pressure Points, the Critical Chance granted by Master Assassin, and reducing Critical Damage and Critical Healing granted by Fated Fortune, etc.

nightbringer1993 · April 4

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Soon the subclasses will be nerfed, and then necro will be an even bigger scam, just because of the refresh order ZOS chose.

AND NO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY DK, EVEN LESS WARDEN BECAUSE I HATE THE WARDEN CLASS

Changing class is exactly what ZOS wants us to do, and I hate that. And when they say "play the way you want" that is a lie.

Right now with the changes that ZOS has done to necro, I consider myself scammed. I came to that game in 2019 because that necro class was out. I bought of their chapters ever since, and what do I get in return? Nerfs, nerfs and even more nerfs, and told to go on other classes.

LittlePinkDot · April 4

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Soon the subclasses will be nerfed, and then necro will be an even bigger scam, just because of the refresh order ZOS chose.

AND NO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY DK, EVEN LESS WARDEN BECAUSE I HATE THE WARDEN CLASS

Changing class is exactly what ZOS wants us to do, and I hate that. And when they say "play the way you want" that is a lie.

Right now with the changes that ZOS has done to necro, I consider myself scammed. I came to that game in 2019 because that necro class was out. I bought of their chapters ever since, and what do I get in return? Nerfs, nerfs and even more nerfs, and told to go on other classes.

I don't know man. I'm an Altoholic. I have 11 characters, and every race. Variety is the spice of life. IMO you're missing out.

nightbringer1993 · April 5

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Soon the subclasses will be nerfed, and then necro will be an even bigger scam, just because of the refresh order ZOS chose.

AND NO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY DK, EVEN LESS WARDEN BECAUSE I HATE THE WARDEN CLASS

Changing class is exactly what ZOS wants us to do, and I hate that. And when they say "play the way you want" that is a lie.

Right now with the changes that ZOS has done to necro, I consider myself scammed. I came to that game in 2019 because that necro class was out. I bought of their chapters ever since, and what do I get in return? Nerfs, nerfs and even more nerfs, and told to go on other classes.

I don't know man. I'm an Altoholic. I have 11 characters, and every race. Variety is the spice of life. IMO you're missing out.

When you willingly change class then it is easier to accept playing an other classes. But when it is forced upon you because your main character is so nerfed and bugged that you have to go into classes then the acceptance is not easy.

I have a grand overlord necro with all the crafting and such that I was forced to drop in PvP when the blastbone nerf happened, the damage were simply not strong enough to bring other players bellow 50% HP and as a result my build was dead and I was forced to swap to sorcerer or nightblade. To go from a character with five stars to a character with low rank felt awful that day.

Then Necro DD was surpassed by arcanist and were being being kicked out of trial groups, and the only Necro gameplay I had left was Necro tanking, and with the way things are going with the refresh, I fear my Necro tank will die too. This is the reason I consider myself scammed by ZOS. And they continue to charge 12,99€ for this class that people eventually have to drop because of how weak and buggy it has become.

CatalinaWineMixer2 · April 7

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Soon the subclasses will be nerfed, and then necro will be an even bigger scam, just because of the refresh order ZOS chose.

AND NO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY DK, EVEN LESS WARDEN BECAUSE I HATE THE WARDEN CLASS

Changing class is exactly what ZOS wants us to do, and I hate that. And when they say "play the way you want" that is a lie.

Right now with the changes that ZOS has done to necro, I consider myself scammed. I came to that game in 2019 because that necro class was out. I bought of their chapters ever since, and what do I get in return? Nerfs, nerfs and even more nerfs, and told to go on other classes.

I absolutely understand how you feel. Every necro main we had left our guilds. Or they will only do housing and casinos now. I feel exactly the same way about my Warden. The only thing worse than being forced into other classes is being forced into mixing skills lines from other classes (Subclass). I do not want Arcanist Crux, Templar flashes, Nightblade streaks or DK flames on my Warden! Or Sorcerer lightning or any other thing that doesn't belong there attached to my character! I shouldn't have to change my characters Ive had for years and was on leaderboards with!

nightbringer1993 · April 7

CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

LittlePinkDot wrote: »

nightbringer1993 wrote: »

Necromancer right now is a scam, I hope that ZOS does something about this class soon, and I hope that the refresh can be placed this year because I am tired of using other classes because necromancer has been destroyed over the last four year.

The blastbone nerf was a huge hit, and this corpse/pet limitation system has bugged the class. Blastbone not spawning, corpses disapearing and such.

This DK patch is making me sick, and next patch will be about buffing pure class, which as a result will just buff the incoming refreshed classes. Necromancer is way more in need than warden, and sometimes it feels like the devs do not care about the necromancer class.

When will the scam end?

It's going to require patience. I don't know why they chose the order they did, but it is what it is.
In the meantime why don't you subclass your necromancer?
Have you tried the new dragon knight yet? I'm going to try each new refreshed class as they're released.

Soon the subclasses will be nerfed, and then necro will be an even bigger scam, just because of the refresh order ZOS chose.

AND NO I DON'T WANT TO PLAY DK, EVEN LESS WARDEN BECAUSE I HATE THE WARDEN CLASS

Changing class is exactly what ZOS wants us to do, and I hate that. And when they say "play the way you want" that is a lie.

Right now with the changes that ZOS has done to necro, I consider myself scammed. I came to that game in 2019 because that necro class was out. I bought of their chapters ever since, and what do I get in return? Nerfs, nerfs and even more nerfs, and told to go on other classes.

I absolutely understand how you feel. Every necro main we had left our guilds. Or they will only do housing and casinos now. I feel exactly the same way about my Warden. The only thing worse than being forced into other classes is being forced into mixing skills lines from other classes (Subclass). I do not want Arcanist Crux, Templar flashes, Nightblade streaks or DK flames on my Warden! Or Sorcerer lightning or any other thing that doesn't belong there attached to my character! I shouldn't have to change my characters Ive had for years and was on leaderboards with!

Exactly the point I am making. If ZOS truly cared about their customers they should have made a survey concerning which class should have been refreshed first.
There was that small questionnaire that they did last year, but yet they placed Necro last despite the crazy amounts of Necro class refresh requests that we have made over the last four years. All that ZOS did is making the class worst and an even greater scam.

o_Primate_o · April 10

they took poison away from DK and made it the class of fire. if they continue this roadmap, i'm guessing each class will specialize accordingly? perhaps:

DK - Fire
Warden - Frost
Sorc - Shock

guessing:
Blade - Bleed
Temp - Magic (Magicka based) or Physical (Stam based)

Long shot:
Cro - Disease (revamped disease status effect <re: defile> would be necessary for pve)
Arc - Poison

ESO_Nightingale · April 11

o_Primate_o wrote: »

they took poison away from DK and made it the class of fire. if they continue this roadmap, i'm guessing each class will specialize accordingly? perhaps:

DK - Fire
Warden - Frost
Sorc - Shock

guessing:
Blade - Bleed
Temp - Magic (Magicka based) or Physical (Stam based)

Long shot:
Cro - Disease (revamped disease status effect <re: defile> would be necessary for pve)
Arc - Poison

I dont see them limiting all classes to 1 damage type.

Soarora · April 11

I would assume "tether themselves to the battlefield" really does just refer to the two tethers that already exist. I don't imagine that they'd just get rid of those, it is a notable part of necro's kit.

AvidNecro · April 12

https://youtu.be/-BAgo_L_x1Q?si=ihfxw4Js69C2hZLv