AScarlato wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

I wonder what else is "fashionable" in Tamriel right now as pertains to art. And is it the same fashion everywhere? Hard to believe the Dunmer would find the same type of art fashionable as, say, the Bretons.

With the average commoner being in villages that are often besieged by daedra and destroyed, or being conscripted into the ongoing war - I have a hard time believing most of them have the money, time, or resources to spend looking around for plays and thinking deeply about this Dreams who of course didn't even exist until now.

I would think that the population that is safe enough from danger and has the means to travel or even pay for theatre tickets is probably low.

With the amount of troubles and destruction going on in the world as they have written it, and most of it supposedly happening in the same year, it just seems like another example of how out of touch Dreams is with the world around her.

It's true that there is a lot going on, competing for the average Tamrielian's time and attention and resources. It is a bit odd how, unless they're directly involved in a quest, most npcs seem a little bit oblivious to the state of the world around them. Daggerfall has the town crier, who will keep people informed, and Rimmen has those two gossiping khajiit. There must be more examples; I just can't think of them right now.

Anyway, it's an interesting point to consider: who realistically is attending these plays?

metheglyn wrote: »

It's true that there is a lot going on, competing for the average Tamrielian's time and attention and resources. It is a bit odd how, unless they're directly involved in a quest, most npcs seem a little bit oblivious to the state of the world around them. Daggerfall has the town crier, who will keep people informed, and Rimmen has those two gossiping khajiit. There must be more examples; I just can't think of them right now.

I think the major city of every zone has NPCs whose dialogues update as you progress through the story. The couple in Elden Root arguing about Southpoint, the ones in Marbruk arguing about the Wilderking, etc,

metheglyn wrote: »

I wonder what else is "fashionable" in Tamriel right now as pertains to art. And is it the same fashion everywhere? Hard to believe the Dunmer would find the same type of art fashionable as, say, the Bretons.

If it's anything like the real world, I'm very sure that the narrative traditions of different Tamrielic nations look rather diverse. Sure, there will be some archetypes that may exist, in some form, everywhere (so there might be stories that appeal to the majority of people - and the story of Polydor and Eloisa seems to be such a case, if it's successfully played, the way it was originally written, across the continent for several centuries; considering that, that Argonian director's "new, modern" version might even fail badly), but the way to tell stories, and what is considered artful or beautiful, will vary. And most of all, there would probably be differences in everything that touches on aspects like philosophy, ethics and morals.

TES lore already does show us many cultural differences, after all (the background lore is one of the things most fascinating about TES, I'd say): We have different cultural origin myths, we know about different religions on Tamriel, and also cultural varieties of the same faith (many cultures do believe in the Divines, for example, but they have different ideas of them), we've learnt about different types of music across the continent (compare the musical instruments of the Imperials with those of the Argonians, for example, or how different bard songs look in Elsweyr compared to Skyrim), we've actually already seen traditional writings of different cultures and how they also vary a lot (The Lessons of Vivec might be easier to understand for the Dunmer because they understand the metaphors and symbolism used, while a Khajiit reading it might be absolutely clueless because they didn't grow up with these figures of speech and don't know what some verse might allude to). It's a truly diverse world. So it would be surprising if they would all enjoy the same thing when it comes to theatre plays.

metheglyn wrote: »

Anyway, it's an interesting point to consider: who realistically is attending these plays?

There's a certain dissonance, isn't there? Between what we actually see of Tamriel with all those catastrophes, and what we get presented here. I think the only theater we've ever seen was the one on Summerset anyway? Which somehow makes this new lorebook feel even more like generic statements, or a generic portrayal of some type of theater director, that doesn't really relate to the world of Tamriel.

I'd loved to see something that relates to Tamriel more specifically. Also when it comes to the event quests as a whole. Making the story mostly about Mara and Sanguine is a valid idea, of course. But they could have also added something that specifically works with the different cultural traditions of Tamriel, for example. They could even have included some story about a pair of lovers overcoming some cultural barrier. That would have fit the theme of the event well.

Syldras wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Do you really think the people of Tamriel speak English? Or German, or Spanish, or whatever language you play the game in? We might as well pretend that they're actually speaking some Tamrielic language that's completely unknown to us and that whatever we hear and read in-game is being magically translated into something our brains can understand and relate to.

Heard some peeps be yapping like this now fr. Should game chatter be sliding in like this - like, we can just rizz it up and act like it’s a dub we can lowkey mega vibe with?

What language is that? I know it's not German, as I studied it for a short while...

As for the topic at hand, I was surprised when the character referred to himself as a tank. Since the only roles I can perform are tank and bad joker, that felt rather nice. Only now that I read this discussion did it cross my mind to consider the etymology. Perhaps the other term, "meat shield", would have been more appropriate, but I'm not going to complain about the game's writing over the use of player lingo in dialogues. On the contrary, the use of that word brought two worlds closer, as the quest involved four people organized like a dungeon group of humans.

However, I understand why some people would dislike that choice of term. An idea to reconcile the writing with their views is for a lore book to be added to the game telling the story of famous NPC tanks in history, along with a short explanation on why meat shields are called tanks. That would be a nice gesture to all the human tanks out there and it'd render this issue of 4th wall or not moot.

LunaFlora wrote: »

if Tank was not used,
would you have fully understood what the quest is about?

You might be saying more about yourself here than what you believe of others.

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

if Tank was not used,
would you have fully understood what the quest is about?

You might be saying more about yourself here than what you believe of others.

i was saying nothing with my comment besides that question, there is no hidden message in it.

no idea what you believe it says about me, or what you believe i believe about others