metheglyn wrote: »

That's an interesting take on the situation. I don't think PCNA "wimped out"--there were always people there taking on the camps. I also don't think the server's reputation hangs on this single event. Of course, I'm one of those quitters you mention, since I stopped participating in the event a little while ago, when I wasn't having fun with it.

No, you're not one of the quitters. The quitters were those who wanted phase 2 shortened, rather than just doing what you did, which was to do other things until it was over.

twisttop138 wrote: »

You're worried about what strangers say or think about what a sever did or didn't do during an imaginary video game event? Quitters lol. As if not enjoying the content you paid for is bad.

"Imaginary video game event"? It seemed pretty real to me. I can remember doing quests and everything. I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining it, but YMMV.

As for the server wimping out, that was a bit of a light-hearted tongue-in-cheek jab. I should have known better than to say something like that here, where people are so easy to unintentionally rile up. Nobody, including me, ever cared about the server competition. We all know it was rigged. It's something I hope isn't repeated in future events.

AzuraFan wrote: »

The quitters were those who wanted phase 2 shortened, rather than just doing what you did, which was to do other things until it was over.

I was one of those that did other things because I couldn't mentally keep doing it any longer. I am not a quitter for wanting this shortened so we could experience the rest of the content we paid for.

AzuraFan wrote: »

metheglyn wrote: »

That's an interesting take on the situation. I don't think PCNA "wimped out"--there were always people there taking on the camps. I also don't think the server's reputation hangs on this single event. Of course, I'm one of those quitters you mention, since I stopped participating in the event a little while ago, when I wasn't having fun with it.

No, you're not one of the quitters. The quitters were those who wanted phase 2 shortened, rather than just doing what you did, which was to do other things until it was over.

twisttop138 wrote: »

You're worried about what strangers say or think about what a sever did or didn't do during an imaginary video game event? Quitters lol. As if not enjoying the content you paid for is bad.

"Imaginary video game event"? It seemed pretty real to me. I can remember doing quests and everything. I'm pretty sure I wasn't imagining it, but YMMV.

As for the server wimping out, that was a bit of a light-hearted tongue-in-cheek jab. I should have known better than to say something like that here, where people are so easy to unintentionally rile up. Nobody, including me, ever cared about the server competition. We all know it was rigged. It's something I hope isn't repeated in future events.

Hey, if I got it wrong I got it wrong. You're not the first person here to express that opinion and, while you may have been joking, some folks are actually turning on the people on their servers or other servers. Accusations of cheating even were thrown around today, an unwillingness to accept the results. Europeans no less. That's supposed to be an American thing. I think how this thing has turned out has made a lot of people frustrated and that sucks for a community event lol. So, sorry if I jumped down your throat.

twisttop138 wrote: »

Hey, if I got it wrong I got it wrong. You're not the first person here to express that opinion and, while you may have been joking, some folks are actually turning on the people on their servers or other servers.

Yeah, this has honestly been terrible. We had so many times over the years that we can all come together as one big happy #ESOFam, and they destroyed all of that in one mismanaged event that pit everyone against each other.

AzuraFan wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I was one of those that did other things because I couldn't mentally keep doing it any longer. I am not a quitter for wanting this shortened so we could experience the rest of the content we paid for.

You couldn't spend 30 seconds/day doing one quest (the crafting one) for a golden box?

Anyway, I agree for sure that the event has lagged on for way too long. I also think it was a bad idea to gate content we paid for behind completion of an event. But I was okay with waiting (and literally spending 10 minutes a day to get three golden boxes) until phase 2 finished as intended.

I could have but I didn't until they increased the progress to get it over faster. I was not fine with waiting any longer and just wanted the grind to stop.

Some players have already broken the wall, the rest cannot join

It seems that some people have already completed the instance, but does that have nothing to do with this event?

Yuushanaba1 wrote: »

Some players have already broken the wall, the rest cannot join

It seems that some people have already completed the instance, but does that have nothing to do with this event?

That's the current bug.

See the updates here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/685206/writhing-fortress-broken#latest

twisttop138 wrote: »

[...] Accusations of cheating even were thrown around today, an unwillingness to accept the results. Europeans no less.[...]

I haven't seen anyone accusing any player for cheating. I think it was more a feeling of being cheated by the way ZOS changed the progress ones again so close to the finish line.

The way they made this into a competition between servers but moving the goal line again and again is not a good look.

I think we all can agree that it's good that the whole thing is finally over, that's the most important thing.

Please understand that I love this game, and I'm trying to say this in the nicest way possible.

I was lucky enough to be in the first group of PS/NA that did Phase 3, so I did manage to clear it before it bugged, but in all honesty this event has been straight up terrible from start to finish.

This event has had almost nothing but problems since it started. Inconsistent drop rates of quest items, bad rewards, the very few "good" rewards like the purple furnishings and the Caltrops style are locked behind really bad RNG, glitched Phase 2 world boss starting before intended, which when "fixed" meant that Phase 2 for console was meaningless because they couldn't even fight it before their U48 update, Stirk wayshrine never worked when trying to travel from it, the event bosses replacing regular delve bosses which prevented people getting completion achievements, and also in cases broke receiving antiquity lead drops from them, the daily quest givers gave out quests for Eastern Solstice which you couldn't access, dig sites for antiquity leads led you to Eastern Solstice which you couldn't access...

Writhing Fortress is also time-gated, so unless you fix it ASAP, there will be tons of people that will be permanently locked out of the experience/achievements/outfit style.

I appreciate the effort of trying to fix these problems, but do you guys not have a QA team at all? I understand oversights happen, but most of these issues should have been avoided.

I very much hope that all the feedback from this event is taken seriously by the dev team. I have enjoyed this massive siege, the feeling of a war of attrition.

Were the dailies repetitive and somewhat inconsequential-feeling? Some of them, yes, but that's OK, it's a game and there's a limited number of things that can be done. I liked that there were crafting dailies for the people who didn't have time/inclination/access to do the siege camps, they were easy and quick. The gathering ones had drop rate issues, but that was fixed in phase 2 - thank you for that.

Progress-wise, I completely understand people who felt this was going on too long. We all play this game at a different pace and in a different way. There are millions of us and our lives vary! Phase 1 progress was adjusted well, it was feeling too much of a grind (and I do, in fact, enjoy event grind). Phase 2 was then moving a bit quicker based on feedback from Phase 1. I found the pace to be just right to be honest, it gave me time to do the quests on another server (though now I will not be able to finish these before the fortress is available). I appreciate it felt too slow for others. What I find irksome is the massive jump in progress that we had overnight. If this had been due to players making the progress I would not mind, that's how it's supposed to work. But the team fixing it and bringing it so close to the finish is a bit disappointing to me. I'm very aware that this is an artificial target that is being managed, but now it feels more artificial.

Bear in mind I have the ability and inclination to play a couple of hours a day, so I have been grinding for boxes and plans and fragments when so inclined. Last night I felt I had to go and buy the remaining writhing bone shards I needed to complete the skill style as I had no information on whether these would still be available after we have access to the fortress tonight. I feel that moving the goalposts for a potentially limited resource without letting us know if we can get this in the future is not ideal (particularly as I expect that we will be able to buy with crowns in future, but if you are half-way to completion on fragments that is annoying).

I hope that the dev team take into account the pace at which the wall progressed for if they do such a time-limited event again so that they can balance between frustration and FOMO for us. I have enjoyed the event and the feeling of so many people coming together to battle at siege camps etc. It has been pretty fun!

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

It seems that these daily crafting quests have been created in the

Maythor wrote: »

Any chance of boosting drop rates of the bone shards, despite the wall falling a lot of us will be left still having to aid to bring the wall down to try and get the event rewards we still need!

I wonder if the problem is that the loot roll is structured as a % chance on a % chance? A bit like the Pyandonean motifs from fishing - a "rare" chance to get a bottle, and then a "rare" chance that the bottle contains a motif. The result is that getting a motif equates to legendary odds, even though the drop chance in the bottle loot table is something like 5%.

If they did something similar with the fragments - say an x% chance to drop a rare item, then a y% chance it's a fragment, but there are 2 (? or more?) fragments. That would explain the abysmal RNG on it, because the overall chance of getting the one you want has been massively diluted by all the prior rolls.

ETA: This sort of stuff is why I will always advocate for curated drops on special event items like this.

Actually, I think the problem with the bone fragment droprates(and other phase two drops) is how ZOS did the event dailyquests. They have created two types of quests: The phase one quests that granted the haj mota fragments, and the phase two quests that grant the bone fragments. During phase one all quests were phase one quests, meaning the droprate for the haj mota pet was 100% chance for the quests to be able drop them. With 18 quests per day and the haj mota fragment low droprate, that still granted enough haj mota fragments. Then came phase two which added the phase two quests, these replaced half of the phase one quests(as we still get phase one quests). This cut our chances of getting bone fragments by 75%(and all other phase two rewards). We only get half the amount of phase two quests as compared to phase one quests, and we can't get the full amount of quests for phase two fragments as we did for phase one fragments due to the daily 6(18 total) questlimit per character.
Some players have changed this for themselves a bit by abandoning the dailyquests until they get a phase two quest, to get the full 100% chance for a bone fragment as they did the haj mota fragments. But even this is only working for the crafter and goods collector daily quests. Most players do not do this though, as it is a tedious and annoying process to do so.

Better would have been to have only one full regiment of daily quests all available right away throughout the entire event, but only activate the phase two drops in those questrewards after we reached phase two.
Or have 8 daily event questgivers in total, four for phase one and four for phase two, and limit the amount of event quests we could do to 18 total with the regular maximum of 6 per questgiver(giving players the choice between phase one or phase two quests and for what total of quests per phase to do. Controlling our own dropchances per phase).

Unrelated to quote:
Can't wait to see the fortress. And I really hope we can still get all the event exclusives somehow. This is the first event where I participated for 100% and have barely anything to show for it, while all previous events I always managed to get all event exclusives. Rewardwise: I have gotten all the phase 1 style pages and the phase 1 haj mota. But due to the droprate I am still missing half of the phase 2 style pages, have only collectecd 10/25 of the bone fragments, and do not yet have the house! For someone who is an event completionist like me, this feels terrible! (Note: Went for the golden boxes every day, and did 10+ blue boxes almost every day, some days I even did all the crafting quests on all my 20 characters for blue boxes.)

Probably my favourite event so far. One day of each phase was enough time to come to that conclusion.

So I've got myself very productive this event and head on grinding for obscene amount of hours, got myself nice pair of Replica Alberon's, crafted a nice chaos sword, got some strength stacking going and enjoying it still very much! Props to zos for the fun delivered.

shadoza wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

An empty coldharbor lot isn't worth this kind of effort, especially if it is not going to fall unless you purchased the pass.

i think i saw you ask this before. or maybe it was someone else with the same avatar. i figured someone would have answered but maybe not. i got the coldharbour estate as a drop on my alt account. which has never bought anything, never spent a dime, has no paid for dlc's/chapters (i have the ones that were given away and a friend gifted me murkmire so she could run me through brp), have never had a sub on that account, and do not have the content pass. i started out doing some extra blue boxes every day to try to get the house. the crafting ones because they are easy. but after reading post after post here about abysmal rates, decided to just stick with the gold boxes, which i only get 2 of without a pass. have the pass gives more chances, but you certainly don't -need- it to get the house to drop

I didn't actually ask about it, but I have mentioned that such statements are being made in the social chat. Good to hear that someone who did not purchase the pass and is not working on the island got the lot. In the end, I just don't find the awards worth the effort. I was actually spending most of my game time playing a really old game called Seven Wonders instead of ESO because I got tired of the frustrations of game freezing and 'lame' rewards. Sad but true.

LootAllTheStuff already told you about the bolded bit, but you decided that because the post started with "I hate to break it to you" (which is a common phrase that people use when they're about to tell someone something that if they had known sooner may have caused them to do things differently) you decided that they were being rude and you didn't want to read the rest of the post. Sad but true.

shadoza wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

It seems that these daily crafting quests have been created in the

Maythor wrote: »

Any chance of boosting drop rates of the bone shards, despite the wall falling a lot of us will be left still having to aid to bring the wall down to try and get the event rewards we still need!

I wonder if the problem is that the loot roll is structured as a % chance on a % chance? A bit like the Pyandonean motifs from fishing - a "rare" chance to get a bottle, and then a "rare" chance that the bottle contains a motif. The result is that getting a motif equates to legendary odds, even though the drop chance in the bottle loot table is something like 5%.

If they did something similar with the fragments - say an x% chance to drop a rare item, then a y% chance it's a fragment, but there are 2 (? or more?) fragments. That would explain the abysmal RNG on it, because the overall chance of getting the one you want has been massively diluted by all the prior rolls.

ETA: This sort of stuff is why I will always advocate for curated drops on special event items like this.

I don't have Solstice so I do benefit from completing this event. I was completing the dailies for that chance drop of a Coldharbor lot. Since that drop is a replacement drop for something that was already a rare drop, it is a very rare action. Playing the same set of quests every day to gain that 1:1,000,000 item was making the game feel punishing. I wanted to stop playing the game. I took the mature route and stopped completing the event instead. An empty coldharbor lot isn't worth this kind of effort, especially if it is not going to fall unless you purchased the pass. I pay $180 every year for this game, why am I asked to pay more to play? The RNG is so bad in so many places that I have lost interest in many of the collectable items and some resources, like the Nirns in Craglorn only.

I hate to break it to you, but you could get that drop without having the pass - the rarity had nothing to do with access to Solstice, and the drop could be obtained from blue as well as gold boxes. I did in fact get the plot of land, although I have no idea what to do with it, and I don't have Solstice either. But as far as I am concerned the drop chance really is too low for a special event without curated loot.

Saying "I hate to break it to you," sounds rude so I am ignoring the rest of your post and your account. I am done with rude posters.

@ZOS_Kevin One thing I am wondering: Are the Shards of Writhing Bone gonna drop in the Writhing Fortress? Since Phase two is ending for the rest of the servers?

UrQuan wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

scrappy1342 wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

An empty coldharbor lot isn't worth this kind of effort, especially if it is not going to fall unless you purchased the pass.

i think i saw you ask this before. or maybe it was someone else with the same avatar. i figured someone would have answered but maybe not. i got the coldharbour estate as a drop on my alt account. which has never bought anything, never spent a dime, has no paid for dlc's/chapters (i have the ones that were given away and a friend gifted me murkmire so she could run me through brp), have never had a sub on that account, and do not have the content pass. i started out doing some extra blue boxes every day to try to get the house. the crafting ones because they are easy. but after reading post after post here about abysmal rates, decided to just stick with the gold boxes, which i only get 2 of without a pass. have the pass gives more chances, but you certainly don't -need- it to get the house to drop

I didn't actually ask about it, but I have mentioned that such statements are being made in the social chat. Good to hear that someone who did not purchase the pass and is not working on the island got the lot. In the end, I just don't find the awards worth the effort. I was actually spending most of my game time playing a really old game called Seven Wonders instead of ESO because I got tired of the frustrations of game freezing and 'lame' rewards. Sad but true.

LootAllTheStuff already told you about the bolded bit, but you decided that because the post started with "I hate to break it to you" (which is a common phrase that people use when they're about to tell someone something that if they had known sooner may have caused them to do things differently) you decided that they were being rude and you didn't want to read the rest of the post. Sad but true.

shadoza wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

shadoza wrote: »

LootAllTheStuff wrote: »

It seems that these daily crafting quests have been created in the

Maythor wrote: »

Any chance of boosting drop rates of the bone shards, despite the wall falling a lot of us will be left still having to aid to bring the wall down to try and get the event rewards we still need!

I wonder if the problem is that the loot roll is structured as a % chance on a % chance? A bit like the Pyandonean motifs from fishing - a "rare" chance to get a bottle, and then a "rare" chance that the bottle contains a motif. The result is that getting a motif equates to legendary odds, even though the drop chance in the bottle loot table is something like 5%.

If they did something similar with the fragments - say an x% chance to drop a rare item, then a y% chance it's a fragment, but there are 2 (? or more?) fragments. That would explain the abysmal RNG on it, because the overall chance of getting the one you want has been massively diluted by all the prior rolls.

ETA: This sort of stuff is why I will always advocate for curated drops on special event items like this.

I don't have Solstice so I do benefit from completing this event. I was completing the dailies for that chance drop of a Coldharbor lot. Since that drop is a replacement drop for something that was already a rare drop, it is a very rare action. Playing the same set of quests every day to gain that 1:1,000,000 item was making the game feel punishing. I wanted to stop playing the game. I took the mature route and stopped completing the event instead. An empty coldharbor lot isn't worth this kind of effort, especially if it is not going to fall unless you purchased the pass. I pay $180 every year for this game, why am I asked to pay more to play? The RNG is so bad in so many places that I have lost interest in many of the collectable items and some resources, like the Nirns in Craglorn only.

I hate to break it to you, but you could get that drop without having the pass - the rarity had nothing to do with access to Solstice, and the drop could be obtained from blue as well as gold boxes. I did in fact get the plot of land, although I have no idea what to do with it, and I don't have Solstice either. But as far as I am concerned the drop chance really is too low for a special event without curated loot.

Saying "I hate to break it to you," sounds rude so I am ignoring the rest of your post and your account. I am done with rude posters.

Bye