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Oakensoul desperately needs a buff
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QB1✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »ideally for me Oakensoul would be a toggle somewhere in the game instead of a Mythic.
Or allow the usage of another Mythic.
Obviously (sadly) it was not developed as an accessibility option, but it does make combat more accessible.
as a disabled girl who uses Oakensoul because the frequent bar swapping and button clicking for the buffs from timed skills was frustrating and a bit painful,
i doubt i will use another mythic for my Damage Dealer builds.
i wish i could use other Mythics like The Saint and Seducer or Rakkhat's Voidmantle as they seem fun, useful, and also make combat more accessible.
i think Oakensoul buffs would be awesome and i sadly doubt that neither buffs or my wishes are happening.
Browse YouTube for the content creator Hyperioxes (spelling?). He has a bunch of Rakhat HA builds that are de facto one-bar builds since the skills on the back-bar provide passive benefits for being slotted rather than being used. They are the best way to do HA builds, IMO.
Do you not see the issue here? Lol every other mythic in the game is better at being “one bar” than the mythic that’s actually designed for it 😂 and yeah here is a video of his explaining how bad Oakensoul is at what it’s supposed to do:
https://youtu.be/1omCaqpoiMc?si=MgOzL8erwLJIWcYD
And that video is just him comparing Oakensoul to other “one bar” heavy attack builds and it’s still WAY worse than those! Not to mention fully set up two bar builds….
Oakensoul is supposed to be the solo-player-friendly option (and it is), hence all of the defensive buffs and such that are not generally needed if you're in a 12-man trial or something. If you're grouped with others in a trial you already have like 12/15 or whatever of its buffs so there really isn't much point to using it. And that's fine.
It arose at the time when there was big discourse about people who did not want to group for whatever reason. It doesn't have to be "The HA Mythic" but that playstyle is generally complementary to that solo player ethos as well as to the accessibility playstyle because HA is an easier playstyle and only having to manage one bar is easier than managing two bars.
His point in that video is that there is an odd sort of cult of personality surrounding the Mythic. You can do HA with it if you want to never think about Empower but if you are willing to source it yourself, which is relatively easy, then, yes, Rakhat is the better option because that Mythic is literally only useful for the HA style - IT is the HA Mythic. (You can also make a good HA build using Anthelmir, FWIW.)
Okay but still, literally every other mythic in the game is better than the one designed for one bar…. Including for solo play?
Edited by QB1 on 14 October 2025 02:200 -
Zodiarkslayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭... That would just be bad (especially in PvP which is where my perspective mostly comes from). Most PvPers laugh at Oakensoul users...
Well, there it is. PvP is the source of your confusion, not Oakensoul.
Oakensoul is not intended for PvP. Period.
It's an enabler for all sorts of PvE players that for various reasons can't light attack weave, bar swap or manage buffs, etc., so that they aren't excluded from content.
I am still of the opinion that PvP and the Elder Scrolls IP do not mix very well.
Both attract different people with very different mindsets.No Effort, No Reward?
No Reward, No Effort!1 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »ideally for me Oakensoul would be a toggle somewhere in the game instead of a Mythic.
Or allow the usage of another Mythic.
Obviously (sadly) it was not developed as an accessibility option, but it does make combat more accessible.
as a disabled girl who uses Oakensoul because the frequent bar swapping and button clicking for the buffs from timed skills was frustrating and a bit painful,
i doubt i will use another mythic for my Damage Dealer builds.
i wish i could use other Mythics like The Saint and Seducer or Rakkhat's Voidmantle as they seem fun, useful, and also make combat more accessible.
i think Oakensoul buffs would be awesome and i sadly doubt that neither buffs or my wishes are happening.
Browse YouTube for the content creator Hyperioxes (spelling?). He has a bunch of Rakhat HA builds that are de facto one-bar builds since the skills on the back-bar provide passive benefits for being slotted rather than being used. They are the best way to do HA builds, IMO.
Do you not see the issue here? Lol every other mythic in the game is better at being “one bar” than the mythic that’s actually designed for it 😂 and yeah here is a video of his explaining how bad Oakensoul is at what it’s supposed to do:https://youtu.be/1omCaqpoiMc?si=MgOzL8erwLJIWcYD
And that video is just him comparing Oakensoul to other “one bar” heavy attack builds and it’s still WAY worse than those! Not to mention fully set up two bar builds….
Oakensoul is supposed to be the solo-player-friendly option (and it is), hence all of the defensive buffs and such that are not generally needed if you're in a 12-man trial or something. If you're grouped with others in a trial you already have like 12/15 or whatever of its buffs so there really isn't much point to using it. And that's fine.
It arose at the time when there was big discourse about people who did not want to group for whatever reason. It doesn't have to be "The HA Mythic" but that playstyle is generally complementary to that solo player ethos as well as to the accessibility playstyle because HA is an easier playstyle and only having to manage one bar is easier than managing two bars.
His point in that video is that there is an odd sort of cult of personality surrounding the Mythic. You can do HA with it if you want to never think about Empower but if you are willing to source it yourself, which is relatively easy, then, yes, Rakhat is the better option because that Mythic is literally only useful for the HA style - IT is the HA Mythic. (You can also make a good HA build using Anthelmir, FWIW.)
Okay but still, literally every other mythic in the game is better than the one designed for one bar…. Including for solo play?
That isn't true at all.
You are completely ignoring the passive defensive and utility buffs that Oakensoul gives to a solo player. Buffs that are impossible to source completely by yourself, even if you wanted to use a complex two-bar rotation while getting super tryhard with subclassing and Scribing. You get all of those buffs with perfect uptime for doing nothing other than wearing the set. That is huge for the niche of players that the set is intended for.6 -
QB1✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »ideally for me Oakensoul would be a toggle somewhere in the game instead of a Mythic.
Or allow the usage of another Mythic.
Obviously (sadly) it was not developed as an accessibility option, but it does make combat more accessible.
as a disabled girl who uses Oakensoul because the frequent bar swapping and button clicking for the buffs from timed skills was frustrating and a bit painful,
i doubt i will use another mythic for my Damage Dealer builds.
i wish i could use other Mythics like The Saint and Seducer or Rakkhat's Voidmantle as they seem fun, useful, and also make combat more accessible.
i think Oakensoul buffs would be awesome and i sadly doubt that neither buffs or my wishes are happening.
Browse YouTube for the content creator Hyperioxes (spelling?). He has a bunch of Rakhat HA builds that are de facto one-bar builds since the skills on the back-bar provide passive benefits for being slotted rather than being used. They are the best way to do HA builds, IMO.
Do you not see the issue here? Lol every other mythic in the game is better at being “one bar” than the mythic that’s actually designed for it 😂 and yeah here is a video of his explaining how bad Oakensoul is at what it’s supposed to do:https://youtu.be/1omCaqpoiMc?si=MgOzL8erwLJIWcYD
And that video is just him comparing Oakensoul to other “one bar” heavy attack builds and it’s still WAY worse than those! Not to mention fully set up two bar builds….
Oakensoul is supposed to be the solo-player-friendly option (and it is), hence all of the defensive buffs and such that are not generally needed if you're in a 12-man trial or something. If you're grouped with others in a trial you already have like 12/15 or whatever of its buffs so there really isn't much point to using it. And that's fine.
It arose at the time when there was big discourse about people who did not want to group for whatever reason. It doesn't have to be "The HA Mythic" but that playstyle is generally complementary to that solo player ethos as well as to the accessibility playstyle because HA is an easier playstyle and only having to manage one bar is easier than managing two bars.
His point in that video is that there is an odd sort of cult of personality surrounding the Mythic. You can do HA with it if you want to never think about Empower but if you are willing to source it yourself, which is relatively easy, then, yes, Rakhat is the better option because that Mythic is literally only useful for the HA style - IT is the HA Mythic. (You can also make a good HA build using Anthelmir, FWIW.)
Okay but still, literally every other mythic in the game is better than the one designed for one bar…. Including for solo play?
That isn't true at all.
You are completely ignoring the passive defensive and utility buffs that Oakensoul gives to a solo player. Buffs that are impossible to source completely by yourself, even if you wanted to use a complex two-bar rotation while getting super tryhard with subclassing and Scribing. You get all of those buffs with perfect uptime for doing nothing other than wearing the set. That is huge for the niche of players that the set is intended for.
I’m not ignoring anything. All I play are Oakensoul builds I know it’s solid for solo play. But again, watch the video above of the same creator you recommended I watch 😂 You are sounding like the “Oakensoul cult” people he’s talking about. Obviously the defensive buffs are good for solo, but still, the numbers don’t lie, the fact is while Oakensoul is “good” for solo, there are just simply other mythics that are clearly much better. It’s not particularly close.0 -
BananaBender✭✭✭✭✭I don't think Oakensoul is significantly weaker than other mythics, it's just all mythics are useless compared to Velothi and Pale Order in PvE. You just have no reason to run any other mythic ever. I really wish they buffed other mythics, so there would be some variety.
There was the tiniest glimpse of something new after 2 years, but it got already nerfed on PTS, so it's just a downgraded Velothi in 99% of the encounters.
There was a time when Kilt, Sea-Serpent's Coil and Mora's Whispers were all top tier mythics (Death Dealer's Fete, Thrassian and Markyn saw some really niche use) in PvE with use cases for each of them, but now they are all just wasting inventory space. This isn't an Oakensoul specific problem, most mythics have just gotten pointless after the introduction of Velothi, and all the new ones are made for PvP.3 -
QB1✭✭✭BananaBender wrote: »I don't think Oakensoul is significantly weaker than other mythics, it's just all mythics are useless compared to Velothi and Pale Order in PvE. You just have no reason to run any other mythic ever. I really wish they buffed other mythics, so there would be some variety.
There was the tiniest glimpse of something new after 2 years, but it got already nerfed on PTS, so it's just a downgraded Velothi in 99% of the encounters.
There was a time when Kilt, Sea-Serpent's Coil and Mora's Whispers were all top tier mythics (Death Dealer's Fete, Thrassian and Markyn saw some really niche use) in PvE with use cases for each of them, but now they are all just wasting inventory space. This isn't an Oakensoul specific problem, most mythics have just gotten pointless after the introduction of Velothi, and all the new ones are made for PvP.
I agree with all of this 👍 Lots of other mythics could use some love. However markyn, sea serpent, death dealers, and even Thrassian still can be pretty competitive in PvP if built right. I don’t believe they’re as limited as Oakensoul, but yes overall, they are not as good as the newer mythics0 -
Elendir2am✭✭✭✭I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.PvP - Recruit.
PvE - Dragon food
RPG - A guy who thought, that he can defeat daedric prince, yet guards still chase him off when he accidentally touches some object during daily writs.1 -
QB1✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…1 -
preevious✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
So, how about they put back the major offensives buffs that were removed, and remove the defensive buffs of oakensoul? Would it be ok, then?
Because, sure, with oakensoul, you are less competitive, damage wise ... but you are quite a bit more durable.
You can't ask for a buff to be competitive, and retain your added survivability as well.
It's a bit too much to ask.
We don't need a second arcabeam.Edited by preevious on 17 October 2025 09:522 -
sleepy_worm✭✭✭✭✭As much as I love them, I don't think Dov-Rha Sabatons are literally better than Oakensoul for 1-bar builds.2 -
Elendir2am✭✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
It seems like you don't understand what Oakensoul is all about. Not all sets and items are designed for all content and playstyle of ESO. Some are specialized for a specific part of the game. Okeansool is for players who don't want to bother with prebuffs and debuffs. It works great for that.
It's as if the someone demanded that special sets for tanks should be competitive in using for DD activities as well.PvP - Recruit.
PvE - Dragon food
RPG - A guy who thought, that he can defeat daedric prince, yet guards still chase him off when he accidentally touches some object during daily writs.2 -
GeneralGrundmann✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
Nope, stop. That's framing.
He writes "I" and "I think".
That's his personal point of view concerning oakensoul and you are constructing something totally different out of his personal point of view.1 -
QB1✭✭✭GeneralGrundmann wrote: »Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
Nope, stop. That's framing.
He writes "I" and "I think".
That's his personal point of view concerning oakensoul and you are constructing something totally different out of his personal point of view.
Not really. It's literally the whole point of this post lol0 -
QB1✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
It seems like you don't understand what Oakensoul is all about. Not all sets and items are designed for all content and playstyle of ESO. Some are specialized for a specific part of the game. Okeansool is for players who don't want to bother with prebuffs and debuffs. It works great for that.
It's as if the someone demanded that special sets for tanks should be competitive in using for DD activities as well.
So tell me then, what content and playstyle is Oakensoul designed for?0 -
QB1✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
So, how about they put back the major offensives buffs that were removed, and remove the defensive buffs of oakensoul? Would it be ok, then?
Because, sure, with oakensoul, you are less competitive, damage wise ... but you are quite a bit more durable.
You can't ask for a buff to be competitive, and retain your added survivability as well.
It's a bit too much to ask.
We don't need a second arcabeam.
Have you ever PvPed with Oakensoul as anything other than a ganker or healer? If so you'd learn pretty quick that you don't have nearly enough offense or defense to do much.
The defensive buffs are only good questing around solo and even then Pale Order outperforms Oakensoul defensively by a mile, even on one bar builds0 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭
✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
So, how about they put back the major offensives buffs that were removed, and remove the defensive buffs of oakensoul? Would it be ok, then?
Because, sure, with oakensoul, you are less competitive, damage wise ... but you are quite a bit more durable.
You can't ask for a buff to be competitive, and retain your added survivability as well.
It's a bit too much to ask.
We don't need a second arcabeam.
Have you ever PvPed with Oakensoul as anything other than a ganker or healer? If so you'd learn pretty quick that you don't have nearly enough offense or defense to do much.
The defensive buffs are only good questing around solo and even then Pale Order outperforms Oakensoul defensively by a mile, even on one bar builds
You'll find that a the overwhelming majority of set items are in the same situation. The meta picks perform a mile above the rest.
Oakensoul may no longer sit with the cool kids in the back of the bus, but the ones who really need help are the kids who are getting beat up in the restroom stalls.
Edited by Vaqual on 18 October 2025 03:322 -
QB1✭✭✭Elendir2am wrote: »I will be brief and to the point.
When I do veteran trials, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do PvP, I don't use Oakensoul.
When I do anything else, I use Oakensoul.
I think that Oakensoul work as it should.
So Oakensoul players should not do veteran trials or PvP? Got it
You’re proving my point here…
So, how about they put back the major offensives buffs that were removed, and remove the defensive buffs of oakensoul? Would it be ok, then?
Because, sure, with oakensoul, you are less competitive, damage wise ... but you are quite a bit more durable.
You can't ask for a buff to be competitive, and retain your added survivability as well.
It's a bit too much to ask.
We don't need a second arcabeam.
Have you ever PvPed with Oakensoul as anything other than a ganker or healer? If so you'd learn pretty quick that you don't have nearly enough offense or defense to do much.
The defensive buffs are only good questing around solo and even then Pale Order outperforms Oakensoul defensively by a mile, even on one bar builds
You'll find that a the overwhelming majority of set items are in the same situation. The meta picks perform a mile above the rest.
Oakensoul may no longer sit with the cool kids in the back of the bus, but the ones who really need help are the kids who are getting beat up in the restroom stalls.
Yeah I can’t disagree with that1