Guppet wrote: »

Your wearing light and using a staff. That's the issue for a lot of people. They want medium to be viable and want to use melee weapons or bows. I'm not saying it's not viable in medium with melee, I'm doing just that and not really struggling.

It's the fact you may have to change to a play style you did not choose the class for. That's only if you can't make your play style work, which a lot of people don't seem willing to work on.

Ok I just actually watched the vid, you are melee, carry on

Haha but also thats the thing only 2 of the abilitys to make this work are really set in stone which is Cloak and Suprise Attack, people can switch the other abilitys as they see fit, I use light armour to help with my bar being heavy magika. Want to use two hander or sword and board? Want to use Heavy or Medium? Thats fine will still work just the same the other 3 bar skills are the damage dealers, and can be whatever works best for that player

Thanks for the feedback!

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Looks like a traditional assassin, swapped leeching strikes for siphoning attacks to make up for my lack of light armor and swapped killer's blade for ambush but otherwise thanks for showing us.

The only other thing I realized that I had left out was that my 3 jewelry pieces were the warlock set for the magika boost when below 33%, I can not stress enough how helpfull this is.

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

Yep that warlock set is amazing.

Also just wanted to point out something because I see so many Nightblades doing this wrong. Ambush is NOT an opener. It's a gap closer. If you are using it as an opener you are wrong.

Because I tend to run my builds without the shadow cloak/concealed weapon opener I do use Ambush as an opener, the name of it would imply as much, you don't ambush someone who sees it coming. I've had the warlock set but I only have the neck and 1 ring and I've been using the VR1 robe, that may be contributing to my lack of survival. If Ambush isn't a opener what other skills are, or is Shadowcloak/concealed weapon really the only opener we have?

Oh yeah I love pvping with ambush, never go without it. Nightblades obviously have some good builds, I just find most tend to be aoe builds or require this shadowcloak/suprise attack combo and I have a problem with that, there should be much more variety considering the abilities we have available to us.

I have played NB since the start of the game and have tried many builds. Yes, it is easily possible to find the optimal build to even get through Veteran content. No problem... BUT... yes the dreaded BUT....

Send any NB using just normal weapon damage against (even an NPC) of the same level and the NB is stressed to survive and this is with blocking and all.

No, this is not a post about.... yes but you have many other skills and builds and gadgets and mage- and fighter skill lines and Vampires and whatever.. this the plain basic ability of the NB to survive a fight without anything but a handheld melee weapon.

NB's are so squishy that they are even more squishy than a Sorc in this area. Indeed...give a Sorc (in light armor) two daggers and a NB (in medium armor) two daggers and let them hit each other and the Sorc most likely will win.

What it ought to be in my opinion... give all classes their advised armor and the same weapons and they ought to be on par in basic melee combat. After that the class skill lines and other skill lines and gadget can be added. The NB however lacks greatly in basic melee combat survival...

The Nightblade is weak. It is a pushover. It is... well, not an assassin class at all at the moment since every other class can sneak and club someone from behind. The only real assassin skill right now is Ambush. Any other skills the NB has, other classes have also, and even better ones.

There is nothing special about the NB and lot of things are broken and just plainly uninspiring.

And just if you think this is another complaining post... Why do I love to play my NB? Because it is a REAL challenge to get such a BROKEN class to the top. Yes, it is a pain and repair bills sometimes tempt me to give up... but I know that if I am Veteran 10 with a Nightblade I will be one of a very few having made it.

V10 DK's and Sorcs are a dime a dozen... a V10 Nightblade... now that is something...

Chirru wrote: »

I have played NB since the start of the game and have tried many builds. Yes, it is easily possible to find the optimal build to even geand heal the NB through Veteran content. No problem... BUT... yes the dreaded BUT....

Send any NB using just normal weapon damage against (even an NPC) of the same level and the NB is stressed to survive and this is with blocking and all.

No, this is not a post about.... yes but you have many other skills and builds and gadgets and mage- and fighter skill lines and Vampires and whatever.. this the plain basic ability of the NB to survive a fight without anything but a handheld melee weapon.

NB's are so squishy that they are even more squishy than a Sorc in this area. Indeed...give a Sorc (in light armor) two daggers and a NB (in medium armor) two daggers and let them hit each other and the Sorc most likely will win.

What it ought to be in my opinion... give all classes their advised armor and the same weapons and they ought to be on par in basic melee combat. After that the class skill lines and other skill lines and gadget can be added. The NB however lacks greatly in basic melee combat survival...

The Nightblade is weak. It is a pushover. It is... well, not an assassin class at all at the moment since every other class can sneak and club someone from behind. The only real assassin skill right now is Ambush. Any other skills the NB has, other classes have also, and even better ones.

There is nothing special about the NB and lot of things are broken and just plainly uninspiring.

And just if you think this is another complaining post... Why do I love to play my NB? Because it is a REAL challenge to get such a BROKEN class to the top. Yes, it is a pain and repair bills sometimes tempt me to give up... but I know that if I am Veteran 10 with a Nightblade I will be one of a very few having made it.

V10 DK's and Sorcs are a dime a dozen... a V10 Nightblade... now that is something...

Most of this post is nonsense but this one in particular is rubbish. I don't know if you mean face them off without skills and passives when say "let then hit each other" as the NB would win due to higher armour from medium. I am assuming you know that before any passives or skills are applied all classes are the exact same. And if skills are being used in a melee fight between a Sorc and NB, well the NB has an advantage and would win most times. Leeching strikes alone gives massive survivability then add in cloak with Shadow passive for 1.7k armour and spell resist When the NB reaches 25% health the sorcerer still has deal this further damage but the NB has an killers blade which would install kill any player below 25% (and heal the NB)

Also you post of sending the NB to fight an NPC of his same level with just his weapon? Any class would struggle to survive that! A sorcerer with just his weapon would come off the exact same!

Chirru wrote: »

Thanks Rex for your thoughtful input. Now go and actually try it out before you shout... I did try it out. Just with a melee weapon, no use of class skills or any passive skills at all, the DK did win easily, the Sorc came second, Templar I did not try and the NB well... lets change the topic... I like my NB despite all the weaknesses.

Unless you have them wearing different armours or weapons with different damages then there should be no difference in any way and outcome should be the same for all classes unless there is somehow a flaw in the programming that actually make a DK stronger. If you have tested it then I'm not denying that it can't happen I'm just saying it shouldn't happen.

Im nearly 3 Weeks V10 with my Nb and except for 2 quests ( with Stormatronarchs ), dolmens and some Worldbosses i played all my way solo with DW. On my second bar i used only skills to level up so when i hittet v10 nearly all was maxed out.
Heres a Vid of some Gameplay when i was V6/7. Its 5/2 Light/Medium. I refused to roll Shield except for tanking in Instances. Its just running through contant and makes no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdLmo1Opoc

On v10 i testet many out and u can Ae like all other classes with DW, Destro and 2H. I dont get it how to do solo ae with Bow 10 mobs .

Well i love my class but they should fix the broken Skills and passives. A bit rework on some useless Skills would be a welcome but fixes are more needed.

Running Soul Harvest on your first bar is nice to build up enough ultimate in a fight against 3 mobs to start the attack on the next mob with a Soul Harvest from invisibility and one-shot most mobs. Very helpful in VR if you have mobs summoning adds.

Enrayha wrote: »

Im nearly 3 Weeks V10 with my Nb and except for 2 quests ( with Stormatronarchs ), dolmens and some Worldbosses i played all my way solo with DW. On my second bar i used only skills to level up so when i hittet v10 nearly all was maxed out.
Heres a Vid of some Gameplay when i was V6/7. Its 5/2 Light/Medium. I refused to roll Shield except for tanking in Instances. Its just running through contant and makes no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdLmo1Opoc

On v10 i testet many out and u can Ae like all other classes with DW, Destro and 2H. I dont get it how to do solo ae with Bow 10 mobs .

Well i love my class but they should fix the broken Skills and passives. A bit rework on some useless Skills would be a welcome but fixes are more needed.

That's a V10 video? So the mobs and settings don't change at all from low levels??? How boring!

That's a V10 video? So the mobs and settings don't change at all from low levels??? How boring!

The settings change, the rest not and its V6/7 Vid as i wrote in my first post.

If u click on my other Vids u will find some ini runs and i loaded so far 1 Vid from a V10 ini. We cleared the rest to but handt the time to upload something.

PBpsy wrote: »

I used pretty much the same build until VR7 only used full medium armor because spell crit does nothing for Nightblade melee skills. This allowed my to open without shadowy disguise and get the crit bonus, get better armor, speed and ignore stamina altogether. I don't think the destro staff ads to much unless you really go into it. It is certainly a viable approach and fun to play. I changed to a tank build to be more appealing to groups.

My destruction staff is at 50 since I used it pre Veteran for a large portion but you really have to hut the high 30s and 40s for impulse and the passive for returning Magika per kill. Also as a NB I need Volcanic Ruin in addition to it for CC but to be honest I use it on trash in group stuff, I rarely switch away from my DW in solo the crit from medium armour is not really needed because hitting an enemy from behind from stealth is 100% crit anyway only time cloak is needed is when they are looking at you.

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Oh yeah I love pvping with ambush, never go without it. Nightblades obviously have some good builds, I just find most tend to be aoe builds or require this shadowcloak/suprise attack combo and I have a problem with that, there should be much more variety considering the abilities we have available to us.

To clarify....nb have an effective way to both aoe and single target clear and you want more options? Like what? I honestly don't think there is any other option.

Killem one at a time or all at once...