Nightblade solo VR content. (Update)

ConciseRex

Seen a lot of people complaning about not being able to solo VR content, well this build is able to do the entirety of VR1-5 content solo (As I did) and decided to make a short clip showing it in action against VR6 enemys in a solo dungeon (I am still VR 4) I am using light armour as my bar has 4 magika skills and my second bar is destruction staff but medium is just as good with the weapon crit bonus and allows for rapid strikes to used on stunned enemys instead of the heavy attack I use.

I will apologize in advance as the video was infact recorded on a potato and my scottish accent makes me sound like a 14 year old boy. Any questions I am happy to answer and I am going to try get a clip of a world boss solo.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sADCDjBvDkk

I have finally got around to making a World Boss solo video and this time I am VR5 against VR7 Boss with adds (Very very weak adds). I try to show a little more about my build this time in reference to armour and weapons etc. Again many of the things about this build such as weapon choice/Amour/ 4+5 skills/Ultimate are totally optional and be changed without too much impact, mine is the way it is to be optimized not just viable.
Again i recorded this using a fork and sound like I should be at school right now and i apologize and please let me know if you have any advice questions and I will always answer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCkUBXxSN_0

Guppet

Your wearing light and using a staff. That's the issue for a lot of people. They want medium to be viable and want to use melee weapons or bows. I'm not saying it's not viable in medium with melee, I'm doing just that and not really struggling.

It's the fact you may have to change to a play style you did not choose the class for. That's only if you can't make your play style work, which a lot of people don't seem willing to work on.

Ok I just actually watched the vid, you are melee, carry on

ConciseRex

Guppet wrote: »

Your wearing light and using a staff. That's the issue for a lot of people. They want medium to be viable and want to use melee weapons or bows. I'm not saying it's not viable in medium with melee, I'm doing just that and not really struggling.

It's the fact you may have to change to a play style you did not choose the class for. That's only if you can't make your play style work, which a lot of people don't seem willing to work on.

Ok I just actually watched the vid, you are melee, carry on

Haha but also thats the thing only 2 of the abilitys to make this work are really set in stone which is Cloak and Suprise Attack, people can switch the other abilitys as they see fit, I use light armour to help with my bar being heavy magika. Want to use two hander or sword and board? Want to use Heavy or Medium? Thats fine will still work just the same the other 3 bar skills are the damage dealers, and can be whatever works best for that player

Thanks for the feedback!

ArgonianAssassin

Looks like a traditional assassin, swapped leeching strikes for siphoning attacks to make up for my lack of light armor and swapped killer's blade for ambush but otherwise thanks for showing us.

ConciseRex

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Looks like a traditional assassin, swapped leeching strikes for siphoning attacks to make up for my lack of light armor and swapped killer's blade for ambush but otherwise thanks for showing us.

The only other thing I realized that I had left out was that my 3 jewelry pieces were the warlock set for the magika boost when below 33%, I can not stress enough how helpfull this is.

chrisub17_ESO104

Yep that warlock set is amazing.

Also just wanted to point out something because I see so many Nightblades doing this wrong. Ambush is NOT an opener. It's a gap closer. If you are using it as an opener you are wrong.

ArgonianAssassin

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

Yep that warlock set is amazing.

Also just wanted to point out something because I see so many Nightblades doing this wrong. Ambush is NOT an opener. It's a gap closer. If you are using it as an opener you are wrong.

Because I tend to run my builds without the shadow cloak/concealed weapon opener I do use Ambush as an opener, the name of it would imply as much, you don't ambush someone who sees it coming. I've had the warlock set but I only have the neck and 1 ring and I've been using the VR1 robe, that may be contributing to my lack of survival. If Ambush isn't a opener what other skills are, or is Shadowcloak/concealed weapon really the only opener we have?

ConciseRex

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

Yep that warlock set is amazing.

Also just wanted to point out something because I see so many Nightblades doing this wrong. Ambush is NOT an opener. It's a gap closer. If you are using it as an opener you are wrong.

Because I tend to run my builds without the shadow cloak/concealed weapon opener I do use Ambush as an opener, the name of it would imply as much, you don't ambush someone who sees it coming. I've had the warlock set but I only have the neck and 1 ring and I've been using the VR1 robe, that may be contributing to my lack of survival. If Ambush isn't a opener what other skills are, or is Shadowcloak/concealed weapon really the only opener we have?

I would not use ambush as an opener only because the tun is 3s shorter than concealed weapon, but in PvP there is no better opener in my opinion than ambush (especially against an enemy on horseback ) You only need to use Cloak with your opener if an enemy is looking at you as you can get within range of Suprise attack from behind (and always open from behind for 1.3K dmg crit). If you are running medium this is more the case due to passives. I was running 5 med/2 light with the warlock head all the way to VR3 then swithed for 3 jewlery so I could get Necro set for doing dungeons.

ArgonianAssassin

Oh yeah I love pvping with ambush, never go without it. Nightblades obviously have some good builds, I just find most tend to be aoe builds or require this shadowcloak/suprise attack combo and I have a problem with that, there should be much more variety considering the abilities we have available to us.

Deviante

The only thing wrong with the nightblade is group synergy and sustained pve dps.

Solo Content is fine, im about 10% left to vet 10 at the moment and have soloed my way there without too much trouble at all. Only time I have an issue is specific elite mobs that are immune to what little cc I have such as gargoyles, storm atronarchs and such.
Sure I die every now and then randomly from big damage in pulls of 3 enemies but that is on the lesser side of the scale and generally because I didnt block one of the enemies power attacks etc. You cant expect to solo everything every time and never die.

Chirru

I have played NB since the start of the game and have tried many builds. Yes, it is easily possible to find the optimal build to even get through Veteran content. No problem... BUT... yes the dreaded BUT....

Send any NB using just normal weapon damage against (even an NPC) of the same level and the NB is stressed to survive and this is with blocking and all.

No, this is not a post about.... yes but you have many other skills and builds and gadgets and mage- and fighter skill lines and Vampires and whatever.. this the plain basic ability of the NB to survive a fight without anything but a handheld melee weapon.

NB's are so squishy that they are even more squishy than a Sorc in this area. Indeed...give a Sorc (in light armor) two daggers and a NB (in medium armor) two daggers and let them hit each other and the Sorc most likely will win.

What it ought to be in my opinion... give all classes their advised armor and the same weapons and they ought to be on par in basic melee combat. After that the class skill lines and other skill lines and gadget can be added. The NB however lacks greatly in basic melee combat survival...

The Nightblade is weak. It is a pushover. It is... well, not an assassin class at all at the moment since every other class can sneak and club someone from behind. The only real assassin skill right now is Ambush. Any other skills the NB has, other classes have also, and even better ones.

There is nothing special about the NB and lot of things are broken and just plainly uninspiring.

And just if you think this is another complaining post... Why do I love to play my NB? Because it is a REAL challenge to get such a BROKEN class to the top. Yes, it is a pain and repair bills sometimes tempt me to give up... but I know that if I am Veteran 10 with a Nightblade I will be one of a very few having made it.

V10 DK's and Sorcs are a dime a dozen... a V10 Nightblade... now that is something...

cbbouletb16_ESO

Sword/Shield is viable at all veteran levels regardless of what armor type you use.

Steam rolled this game with my siphon+bash Nightblade.
Light, medium, heavy.. doesn't matter.

I used medium simply because it let me run through the game faster.

ConciseRex

Chirru wrote: »

I have played NB since the start of the game and have tried many builds. Yes, it is easily possible to find the optimal build to even geand heal the NB through Veteran content. No problem... BUT... yes the dreaded BUT....

Send any NB using just normal weapon damage against (even an NPC) of the same level and the NB is stressed to survive and this is with blocking and all.

No, this is not a post about.... yes but you have many other skills and builds and gadgets and mage- and fighter skill lines and Vampires and whatever.. this the plain basic ability of the NB to survive a fight without anything but a handheld melee weapon.

NB's are so squishy that they are even more squishy than a Sorc in this area. Indeed...give a Sorc (in light armor) two daggers and a NB (in medium armor) two daggers and let them hit each other and the Sorc most likely will win.

What it ought to be in my opinion... give all classes their advised armor and the same weapons and they ought to be on par in basic melee combat. After that the class skill lines and other skill lines and gadget can be added. The NB however lacks greatly in basic melee combat survival...

The Nightblade is weak. It is a pushover. It is... well, not an assassin class at all at the moment since every other class can sneak and club someone from behind. The only real assassin skill right now is Ambush. Any other skills the NB has, other classes have also, and even better ones.

There is nothing special about the NB and lot of things are broken and just plainly uninspiring.

And just if you think this is another complaining post... Why do I love to play my NB? Because it is a REAL challenge to get such a BROKEN class to the top. Yes, it is a pain and repair bills sometimes tempt me to give up... but I know that if I am Veteran 10 with a Nightblade I will be one of a very few having made it.

V10 DK's and Sorcs are a dime a dozen... a V10 Nightblade... now that is something...

Most of this post is nonsense but this one in particular is rubbish. I don't know if you mean face them off without skills and passives when say "let then hit each other" as the NB would win due to higher armour from medium. I am assuming you know that before any passives or skills are applied all classes are the exact same. And if skills are being used in a melee fight between a Sorc and NB, well the NB has an advantage and would win most times. Leeching strikes alone gives massive survivability then add in cloak with Shadow passive for 1.7k armour and spell resist When the NB reaches 25% health the sorcerer still has deal this further damage but the NB has an killers blade which would install kill any player below 25% (and heal the NB)

Also you post of sending the NB to fight an NPC of his same level with just his weapon? Any class would struggle to survive that! A sorcerer with just his weapon would come off the exact same!

Chirru

Thanks Rex for your thoughtful input. Now go and actually try it out before you shout... I did try it out. Just with a melee weapon, no use of class skills or any passive skills at all, the DK did win easily, the Sorc came second, Templar I did not try and the NB well... lets change the topic... I like my NB despite all the weaknesses.

ConciseRex

Chirru wrote: »

Thanks Rex for your thoughtful input. Now go and actually try it out before you shout... I did try it out. Just with a melee weapon, no use of class skills or any passive skills at all, the DK did win easily, the Sorc came second, Templar I did not try and the NB well... lets change the topic... I like my NB despite all the weaknesses.

Unless you have them wearing different armours or weapons with different damages then there should be no difference in any way and outcome should be the same for all classes unless there is somehow a flaw in the programming that actually make a DK stronger. If you have tested it then I'm not denying that it can't happen I'm just saying it shouldn't happen.

ConciseRex

Also some proof would be nice

Enrayha

Im nearly 3 Weeks V10 with my Nb and except for 2 quests ( with Stormatronarchs ), dolmens and some Worldbosses i played all my way solo with DW. On my second bar i used only skills to level up so when i hittet v10 nearly all was maxed out.
Heres a Vid of some Gameplay when i was V6/7. Its 5/2 Light/Medium. I refused to roll Shield except for tanking in Instances. Its just running through contant and makes no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdLmo1Opoc

On v10 i testet many out and u can Ae like all other classes with DW, Destro and 2H. I dont get it how to do solo ae with Bow 10 mobs .

Well i love my class but they should fix the broken Skills and passives. A bit rework on some useless Skills would be a welcome but fixes are more needed.

ConciseRex

Enrayha wrote: »

Im nearly 3 Weeks V10 with my Nb and except for 2 quests ( with Stormatronarchs ), dolmens and some Worldbosses i played all my way solo with DW. On my second bar i used only skills to level up so when i hittet v10 nearly all was maxed out.
Heres a Vid of some Gameplay when i was V6/7. Its 5/2 Light/Medium. I refused to roll Shield except for tanking in Instances. Its just running through contant and makes no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdLmo1Opoc

On v10 i testet many out and u can Ae like all other classes with DW, Destro and 2H. I dont get it how to do solo ae with Bow 10 mobs .

Well i love my class but they should fix the broken Skills and passives. A bit rework on some useless Skills would be a welcome but fixes are more needed.

See your build is similar to mine but with a few differences which was my point earlier Cloak and Suprise attack are the only skills I feel are vital for it to work giving the freedom of 3 other skill slots to use for personal preference, hell even the weapon dose not matter like you said destro/DW/2H whatever feels comfortable

Awesome build and good to know I will still be viable at V10

GwaynLoki

Running Soul Harvest on your first bar is nice to build up enough ultimate in a fight against 3 mobs to start the attack on the next mob with a Soul Harvest from invisibility and one-shot most mobs. Very helpful in VR if you have mobs summoning adds.

frwinters_ESO

chrisub17_ESO104 wrote: »

Yep that warlock set is amazing.

Also just wanted to point out something because I see so many Nightblades doing this wrong. Ambush is NOT an opener. It's a gap closer. If you are using it as an opener you are wrong.

Ambush is a great gap closer and a great opener. If i go into stealth and hit ambush, half the time the enemy is basically dead in one shot.

Singular

Enrayha wrote: »

Im nearly 3 Weeks V10 with my Nb and except for 2 quests ( with Stormatronarchs ), dolmens and some Worldbosses i played all my way solo with DW. On my second bar i used only skills to level up so when i hittet v10 nearly all was maxed out.
Heres a Vid of some Gameplay when i was V6/7. Its 5/2 Light/Medium. I refused to roll Shield except for tanking in Instances. Its just running through contant and makes no fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TdLmo1Opoc

On v10 i testet many out and u can Ae like all other classes with DW, Destro and 2H. I dont get it how to do solo ae with Bow 10 mobs .

Well i love my class but they should fix the broken Skills and passives. A bit rework on some useless Skills would be a welcome but fixes are more needed.

That's a V10 video? So the mobs and settings don't change at all from low levels??? How boring!

PBpsy

I used pretty much the same build until VR7 only used full medium armor because spell crit does nothing for Nightblade melee skills. This allowed my to open without shadowy disguise and get the crit bonus, get better armor, speed and ignore stamina altogether. I don't think the destro staff ads to much unless you really go into it. It is certainly a viable approach and fun to play. I changed to a tank build to be more appealing to groups.

Enrayha

That's a V10 video? So the mobs and settings don't change at all from low levels??? How boring!

The settings change, the rest not and its V6/7 Vid as i wrote in my first post.

If u click on my other Vids u will find some ini runs and i loaded so far 1 Vid from a V10 ini. We cleared the rest to but handt the time to upload something.

Erlindur

@Enrayha, I noticed that you use a Blur variety (hard to check which morph from the video). Do you find it useful? I've tried to integrate Mirage into my DW bar and found it more or less useless and a waste of a skillbar slot. I don't know, I find the miss % way too low for everyday use. Maybe I gave up too soon using it. Any feedback on it's prolonged use?

PS VR3 NB.

ConciseRex

PBpsy wrote: »

I used pretty much the same build until VR7 only used full medium armor because spell crit does nothing for Nightblade melee skills. This allowed my to open without shadowy disguise and get the crit bonus, get better armor, speed and ignore stamina altogether. I don't think the destro staff ads to much unless you really go into it. It is certainly a viable approach and fun to play. I changed to a tank build to be more appealing to groups.

My destruction staff is at 50 since I used it pre Veteran for a large portion but you really have to hut the high 30s and 40s for impulse and the passive for returning Magika per kill. Also as a NB I need Volcanic Ruin in addition to it for CC but to be honest I use it on trash in group stuff, I rarely switch away from my DW in solo the crit from medium armour is not really needed because hitting an enemy from behind from stealth is 100% crit anyway only time cloak is needed is when they are looking at you.

Enrayha

Erlindur wrote: »

@Enrayha, I noticed that you use a Blur variety (hard to check which morph from the video). Do you find it useful? I've tried to integrate Mirage into my DW bar and found it more or less useless and a waste of a skillbar slot. I don't know, I find the miss % way too low for everyday use. Maybe I gave up too soon using it. Any feedback on it's prolonged use?

PS VR3 NB.

Well i used it only on 3er Packs or some Bosses. I didnt rly needed it and i changed this Skill often with something i wanted to train cause for normal leveling i needed only 3-4 Skills and sometimes the Shadowulti.

Sleepydan

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

Oh yeah I love pvping with ambush, never go without it. Nightblades obviously have some good builds, I just find most tend to be aoe builds or require this shadowcloak/suprise attack combo and I have a problem with that, there should be much more variety considering the abilities we have available to us.

To clarify....nb have an effective way to both aoe and single target clear and you want more options? Like what? I honestly don't think there is any other option.

Killem one at a time or all at once...

ConciseRex

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