The devs said during 2 public streams that we could keep our progress from our alts. So this may be a bug on the PTS. I don’t think they would lie about this on 2 public stream events.

@ZOS_Kevin Can you confirm if our alt progress is indeed supposed to carry over? Now everybody is speculating about this.

This is what they said on stream: (timelinked)

From the devs themselves: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2429316140?t=00h42m18s

Also in the official direct stream: https://www.youtube.com/live/6lSVd1cR8w0?si=wjN2g_MPJ_Nx1aLK&t=2275

@licenturion Thank you for the time-stamped links. I was pretty sure I remembered the dev saying that, but all the discussion here had me questioning it.


EDITED: I am incorrect. I rewatched the stream, and asked a streamer who had access to the beta. The skills will be *unlocked* if you already have a fully leveled character, but they still have to be leveled.


At the timestamp licenturion linked, Carrie Day, a systems designer who is specifically working on subclassing, clearly says that if you have a skill-line fully leveled on a character, it will be automatically unlocked for subclassing on other characters.

The subclass leveling only applies if you don't already have a skill line unlocked on any existing(*) character.

You also have to have at least 1 level 50 character.

* Deleted character's skill lines won't count.

CahirMawrDyffryn wrote: »

allochthons wrote: »

@licenturion Thank you for the time-stamped links. I was pretty sure I remembered the dev saying that, but all the discussion here had me questioning it.

At the timestamp licenturion linked, Carrie Day, a systems designer who is specifically working on subclassing, clearly says that if you have a skill-line fully leveled on a character, it will be automatically unlocked for subclassing on other characters.

The subclass leveling only applies if you don't already have a skill line unlocked on any existing(*) character.

You also have to have at least 1 level 50 character.

* Deleted character's skill lines won't count.

But what if your *existing characters are at, say, level 23? Do you start subclassing at level 23 or does it not count since you haven't reached level 50 on them?

*Edit: by existing characters I mean random low level alts, not your level 50+ main that you wanna start subclassing on

I don't think it will. The unlocks are linked to these new achievements. I assume these achievement will be unlocked the first time you login after the update. ZOS did that before when they introduced new achievement or features.

Those achievements don't have visible progress trackers, so chances are half achievements are not transferred. (I posted a screenshot of these on page 1)

I hope we get some more clarification from Kevin or from the next patch notes, because everyone is starting to spin their own theories. That's why I linked to those 2 videos. That is official information from the horses mouth. I assume the person who is the system designer of the subclassing system knows what she is talking about.

This is all VERY confusing. Because Carrie said, 'for the first time, class progression will be account wide'... that certainly seems to me that if you have a class leveled to 50 on an alt, that it would carry over to subclassing skills. Because what's the point of having two different ways of accessing class skills? I mean, they might as well just have ONE way if we have to level them all over again anyway.

Also keep in mind that what is on PTS, may not be the full system implementation. Now, I can understand from a stupid 'role play' standpoint- like they do with companions- that "well, you are a Templar, you wouldn't just automatically know how to be a Necromancer" kind of attitude. But it's just frustrating and a stupid time sync and is just going to overwhelm dolmens and other locations for fast XP.

Thought I'd chime in to try to help clear up some confusion. This is based on my own personal testing on PTS:

TEST #1:
The current PTS has all of my NA characters. I have one of every single class, fully leveled to 50, with all "native" class skill lines leveled to 50, and every single class ability leveled to its "morph".

I went and did the little quest to unlock subclassing on my SORC (a primary NA toon of mine).

I picked a DK skill line.

I picked one of my sorc lines to DROP. So now I have 2 Sorc skill lines, and 1 DK skill line.

My DK subskill line started at LEVEL 1.

So I began killing mobs, and started leveling that DK subskill line.

You will have to level that subskill line (the DK one for example) on ANOTHER class (NOT on a DK) up to 50. Once you do that ONE TIME, then that specific DK skill line will be available on ALL of your level 50 toons, and it will START at level 50 on the other toons.

Think of it like this:
A NATIVE skill line is one of three skill lines that are inherent/native to a specific CLASS. ARCANIST has "Herald of the Tome", "Soldier of Apocrypha" and "Curative Runeforms".
A SUBCLASS skill line is one of any skill line EXCEPT the 3 natives ones on the class you are logged in as.

EVERY SUBCLASS skill line starts at level 1 the first time you "unlock" them on a different class.

Once you level each SUBCLASS skill line to level 50, it is ACCOUNT WIDE.

EXAMPLE: You take your Arcanist and pick up TWO subclass skill lines to replace two of your trees. Let's say you pick DARK MAGIC from Sorc and ASSASSINATION from NB. Now you have 1 Arcanist skill line (that one is level 50 presumably, but it is a NATIVE skill line, so it doesn't affect the SUBCLASS system), DARK MAGIC and ASSASSINATION.

Both DARK MAGIC and ASSASSINATION begin at level 1. So you level those up to 50.

Now, log onto your DK. Go to subclass and pick DARK MAGIC and ASSASSINATION. Once you slot them on your DK, they will already be level 50 since you already leveled them as SUBCLASSES on your Arcanist.

The fact that you leveled your NATIVE classes to 50 does not matter. You still have to level the SUBCLASSES.


TEST #2:
Again on PTS, I created a brand new MAX LEVEL toon. Once I unlocked subclassing, EVERY skill tree from every class was available, and fully maxed out at level 50. Great. So now I got all the achievements, and they are account wide. Once that toon was created and logged in once, and subclassing unlocked, I LOGGED OUT.

Next, I logged into my TEMPLAR. This is a current NA character of mine, max level, with all skill trees maxed out.

I took my TEMPLAR and did the quick subclass quest. Then I picked two subclasses (a DK skill line and a SORC skill line). On my TEMPLAR those two skill lines were ALREADY LEVEL 50. That's because my MAX LEVEL CHARACTER that I created above had already hit level 50 on each of those skill lines.

Further, I also discovered that the individual SKILLS themselves carried over from my max level character. So basically, once you hit level 50 on each subclass skill line, and get all skills to MORPH status, that progress becomes ACCOUNT WIDE.

Hope this helps!