Darkness734 wrote: »

Ive made multiple posts on this topic and I'll continue to bring attention to this subject. The dev team is in the middle of balance adjustments and now is the perfect time to BUFF WEREWOLVES. This is the only class / type of play that benefits the least from multiclassing. You have multiclasses DPS-ing over 120k dps and the werewolf which is a FORCED one bar set up can barely break 50k DPS.

Changes need to be made

I was able to hit 120k DPS on a trial dummy using Aedric Spear + Storm Calling + Grave Lord, while staying in Werewolf form the entire time. I might be able to optimize it further, but really we should be concerned that non-Werewolf can hit up to 170k without bugs due to Subclassing. That's a 50k DPS gap that will be very challenging if not outright impossible to close.

I agree though 50k dps gap is not going to be closed. More significant buffs would be needed.

Maybe overall faster light attacks, light attacks that cleave, and execute scaling on all abilities and attacks would do it?

I still think there should be synergy and heal dot added to hircines fortitude, as well as other synergies added to help group play (maybe utility to the group would help give werewolves a place in groups)

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin. anything for werewolf skills? *paw paw paw*

Put aside that the current setup for herald of the tome / assassination / grave lord does need some of the buffs it got with subclassing that are unrelated to subclassing taken away so it’s more tuned (so expect 150-160k for it, not 175k): you are comparing a channeled setup with reduced mobility and no utility at all (no heal, no armor, etc.) and compare its dps with werewolf which has increased health, armor, mobility, a self-heal, an execute, … and what do you expect? That the numbers are the same? With slight changes to the currently overperforming top arca setup that everyone agrees needs to be tuned in you’ll be looking at something like 15-20% dps loss for a whole lot of survivability and utility. That seems like a very fair deal to me.

My point was that the comparison is made with a build that offers nothing to the group and has no utility at all. And I wasn’t even referring to things you have to opt into above. Rather you can’t even opt out of extra armor and health and so on (because of the static werewolf kit).
So the complaint from my pov is: werewolf cannot specialize 100% into this one specific thing. Fair, but should it? Does every option have to be the best option?

I feel like the complaint is more that it’s hard to give werewolves the desired amount of flexibility that they’d like with the very limited options they have with the morphs they can pick. For that I’d say: definitely fair. But I don’t see an easy way out for that one tbh. It’s fundamentally require more skill choices for werewolves. There’s definitely no amount of buffing or nerfing things that’ll result in werewolves having more choices.

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RlyDontKnow wrote: »

Put aside that the current setup for herald of the tome / assassination / grave lord does need some of the buffs it got with subclassing that are unrelated to subclassing taken away so it’s more tuned (so expect 150-160k for it, not 175k): you are comparing a channeled setup with reduced mobility and no utility at all (no heal, no armor, etc.) and compare its dps with werewolf which has increased health, armor, mobility, a self-heal, an execute, … and what do you expect? That the numbers are the same? With slight changes to the currently overperforming top arca setup that everyone agrees needs to be tuned in you’ll be looking at something like 15-20% dps loss for a whole lot of survivability and utility. That seems like a very fair deal to me.

What increased health and armor are you talking about? Werewolf gets 30% movement speed that’s true, but other than that there is no increase to survival. Are you talking about the passive major resolve? Every dps can have that from warden.

Armor from Savage Strength II. Health was indeed wrong, I misread a passive (not a werewolf player and I was on mobile), so scrap that.

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